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A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU REA... - 11/4/2006 7:58:35 AM

Kalira

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Ok, I am going to steal something that Julia said in the other post, and bring it up for comment in a different light.

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The question that Sinergy and I pondered was this, if I told him in a tone that denoted that a life and death decision was imminent, would he have jumped? His answer was yes, because trust is not about his dominance and my submission, it is about believing that someone has your back no matter what, good judgment, and the desire to protect you no matter what.

This actually got me thinking about if the roles were reversed. How many Dominants/ Masters, if they were told this by their submissive/slave, would do such a thing?

And just to keep it from going downhill

let's keep it out of the 'realm' of just D/s or M/s and put it into just the 'category' of human beings itself.

I asked Master this this morning also. His reply was much the same as what Sinergy said only different in the respect that he said "any slave of his, if they said something like that to him, would also have a darn good reason for 'ordering' him to do such a thing"

In that same light, Master is an ex-marine. He has been in situations where he has had to rely on 'strangers' in such situations; he excercises the same 'blind' trust that he expects from his property in such regards.

So...once again...I am curious as to how others would view this. Both from the Dominant/Master side, and from the side of just being human beings.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 8:05:14 AM

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ORIGINAL: Kalira
I asked Master this this morning also. His reply was much the same as what Sinergy said only different in the respect that he said "any slave of his, if they said something like that to him, would also have a darn good reason for 'ordering' him to do such a thing"

In that same light, Master is an ex-marine. He has been in situations where he has had to rely on 'strangers' in such situations; he excercises the same 'blind' trust that he expects from his property in such regards.

So...once again...I am curious as to how others would view this. Both from the Dominant/Master side, and from the side of just being human beings.

I agree with your Master - from tone of voice, energy and situation, if my girl called out an order, I would trust her enough to do so - that is situational. I think to some extent, we are all empathic enough to "sense" what the situation calls for.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 8:27:23 AM

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I was curious about this too, and I cannot wait to see the replies

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 8:29:21 AM

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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

I was curious about this too, and I cannot wait to see the replies

LOL I was waiting for someone to jump on this on the other thread; but when no one did, I thought, well, what the hell

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 8:39:38 AM

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I still, as a human, am not sure I could have the faith in anyone to risk my life on nothing more than a word. Aside from the lack of trust, there is also the way my mind works that there has to be a better way than risking several months immobilized in some way and the medical bills that go with.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 9:29:36 AM

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Tal and greetings,
It would depend largely on who was yelling, and what they were yelling. I have friends that if they yelled "DOWN!" I'd hit the floor without a moments hesitation. Those persons also know quite well that there had better be a DAMN good reason for them doing so, or they're going to have one pissed off, nearly 7' Cowboy coming to put a size 15 boot in their ass.
As specifically relates to M/s situations, if it was a girl I had trained, yes. I'd do so instantly, because I'd know without a shadow of doubt that she would never do such a thing unless it was vital.
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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 9:50:24 AM

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:) I need to talk to my Master!!! Though honestly since he knows I would never do anything that would harm him I do feel safe in saying that Master would listen if I said something to him in ergency! Me and Master have a great foundation of trust and frienship beneath the BDSM so if I called out to him to jump I think he would because he knows I would never ask him to do such a thing if it werent nesicery!

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 9:50:27 AM

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Totally. If I trust someone enough to spend my life with him/her, share my sexuality with him/her, and my house and my finances, etc, then I trust him/her enough to know that if they said "do this" it would be for a good reason.

There have been times when Fox notices something that I don't and will get in front of me or will simply move me to another side with his body. He's protecting me, that's part of his job as my slave (also part of mine as his owner, ever notice how much these duties overlap?).

It's funny when we both notice something and try to protect each other... generally that means we both move back or to the side or end up with our arms around each other.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 12:40:11 PM

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Yes, I would. It's not a matter of being ordered. It's a matter of life and death. Two of the three slaves in my life have a LOT more experience with dangerous situaitons. All see it as a service to physically protect me (as if I might ever be in a really dangerous situation). It's kinda cute..anne and jason once got into a light argument about who would be the first and last line of defense.

Now, would I do it without first looking to see why if it came out of nowhere? I doubt it, 'cause I'm just that way. I dunno...and I really hope to never find out.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 12:43:11 PM

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If Peach told me to jump and made me understand that it was a matter of life or death, I'd jump.

So yeah, it's about trust, not dominance or submission.

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ORIGINAL: Kalira

How many Dominants/ Masters, if they were told this by their submissive/slave, would do such a thing?

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 3:17:39 PM

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I think i am see through enough - that if i were to command something, he would see it is through fear, or worry, or survival.

I honestly dont think he would "instantly" do as i said. I see him thinking about it and accessing what is going on first. Say on the roof - i told hiim to jump (IE bees) and he saw that i was going to take the brunt of it, he wouldnt listen. He'd see me getting swarmed by bees and i cant see any way in hell he would jump and leave me there to take the brunt of it. I honestly, cant see any situation where there was danger and he would allow me to "push" him out of the way. I can see him listening to me warn him of danger and him act because of it.

Has nothing to do with trust or whatever. When it comes to danger he is just better suited to deal with things then i am. Not that i cant hold my own. He thinks faster, he accesses situations faster and better, he is stronger, bigger, tougher. A gun man had a gun - while i could prolly break the guys knee cap, my Dom could hit him once and knock the guy out cold.

So i just cant think of a situation where i would take the lead in something like this or he would allow me to take the lead. Hell, i'm the same size i was at 10 years old. Its just logical.

In non threatening situations, i have taken the lead and he has followed as he knows i have strengths where he doesnt. As i know the opposite is true.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 3:29:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalira

Ok, I am going to steal something that Julia said in the other post, and bring it up for comment in a different light.

She said:

quote:

The question that Sinergy and I pondered was this, if I told him in a tone that denoted that a life and death decision was imminent, would he have jumped? His answer was yes, because trust is not about his dominance and my submission, it is about believing that someone has your back no matter what, good judgment, and the desire to protect you no matter what.

This actually got me thinking about if the roles were reversed. How many Dominants/ Masters, if they were told this by their submissive/slave, would do such a thing?

And just to keep it from going downhill

let's keep it out of the 'realm' of just D/s or M/s and put it into just the 'category' of human beings itself.

I asked Master this this morning also. His reply was much the same as what Sinergy said only different in the respect that he said "any slave of his, if they said something like that to him, would also have a darn good reason for 'ordering' him to do such a thing"

In that same light, Master is an ex-marine. He has been in situations where he has had to rely on 'strangers' in such situations; he excercises the same 'blind' trust that he expects from his property in such regards.

So...once again...I am curious as to how others would view this. Both from the Dominant/Master side, and from the side of just being human beings.

If I trusted a submissive enough to be with her, then I would trust her in this type of situation. If she were to yell, "Get out of the street" and I heard that urgency in her voice, I'd be moving as fast as these legs could carry me. If my unmentionables did the same thing, again I'd be moving.

Now...if my ex were to say it.................................................................................
I'd be looking for the truck coming down the sidewalk.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 5:36:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

If Peach told me to jump and made me understand that it was a matter of life or death, I'd jump.

So yeah, it's about trust, not dominance or submission.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kalira

How many Dominants/ Masters, if they were told this by their submissive/slave, would do such a thing?

Thats the way I look at it too.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 6:33:01 PM

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This is so true. It is not a blind trust though. I am an ex Royal Marine Commando and was in dodgy situations with my teams. Even though I called the shots, if one of them said something that felt important to me - I would react instantly. Its about that intuitive feeling that is built on trust and most importantly 'mutual respect'.

It doesn't matter if you are submissive/subordinate - Dom/authoritive...its a bond between you that flows in both directions.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 6:44:25 PM

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ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

This is so true. It is not a blind trust though. I am an ex Royal Marine Commando and was in dodgy situations with my teams. Even though I called the shots, if one of them said something that felt important to me - I would react instantly. Its about that intuitive feeling that is built on trust and most importantly 'mutual respect'.

It doesn't matter if you are submissive/subordinate - Dom/authoritive...its a bond between you that flows in both directions.

Hello A/all,

I have to agree with what you wrote, and compliment you on how succinctly you put it.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 6:54:41 PM

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quick question, are you the guy that posted pages and pages or the royal marines in the old days?
Cause it would put an entirely differnent stink on life if it was you,

but a really good post if it wasnt,

'cause I gotta tell you that is well put and rather fundamental..........

Good post.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 6:57:17 PM

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Nope, not me - I'm new here. Thanks for the compliments though.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 7:20:02 PM

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I actualy experienced this, just this past weekend.

I made a command (which is not something i normally do) and Sir complied instantly.

He knew that i wasn't being bossy and that i would never do so with out an extremely good reason. He trusted me enough to realize that it's wasn't a whim or me being bratty. There was a definate reason my request was asked in an ubrupt and commanding way.

Once things were calm, we discussed it and the exact reasoning was explained. I'm just thankful that He trusted me enough to listen at a time I desperately needed him to, instead of doing what some others do and go off on the ego trip and ignore or punish the sub/bottom/slave for daring to make what could be viewed as a command to them.

I think most people with common sense will respond to a tone of urgency from anyone, be it sub, stranger, whatever. It is our ingrained survival instinct basically.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 7:32:19 PM

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Ok, bear with me because this thread is making think about a concept within the D/s power exchange that I have always wondered about.

The Dom is in control and the sub has offered over their control. I get that bit - but...

What is actually happening during Total Power Exchange? I see that the Dom has been given the responsibility of taking their sub further into the darker and unknown realms of their limitations both physically and mentally. 'Responsibilty' is the key word. In the Dom's subconscious, they know that their skill is to push things as far as they can in order to expand the growing of the submissive.

So who is actually in charge? The Dom for controlling the situation and heading towards a boundary that is hidden in a dark and misty place OR the submissive who has reliquished the control but knows that one step over their boundary could constitute abuse.

I don't know about anyone else, but as a Dom, I am always VERY wary of the needs of a sub and would instantly respond to them if I thought they were 'life or death' serious.

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RE: A different twist on the same question of WOULD YOU... - 11/4/2006 7:35:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: PiercedDaz

Ok, bear with me because this thread is making think about a concept within the D/s power exchange that I have always wondered about.

The Dom is in control and the sub has offered over their control. I get that bit - but...

What is actually happening during Total Power Exchange? I see that the Dom has been given the responsibility of taking their sub further into the darker and unknown realms of their limitations both physically and mentally. 'Responsibilty' is the key word. In the Dom's subconscious, they know that their skill is to push things as far as they can in order to expand the growing of the submissive.

So who is actually in charge? The Dom for controlling the situation and heading towards a boundary that is hidden in a dark and misty place OR the submissive who has reliquished the control but knows that one step over their boundary could constitute abuse.

I don't know about anyone else, but as a Dom, I am always VERY wary of the needs of a sub and would instantly respond to them if I thought they were 'life or death' serious.

Hmmmm....dayum PD....LMAO....good question

I will be honest and say that this is one that I really have to think about for a minute or two.

/goes off to ponder such things

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