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Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 6:26:42 AM   
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This is an article i came accross this morning, i found it disturbing and fascinating and i could not help wondering if the people of collar me had similar experiences when it came to orgasms:
 
Female orgasm all in the genes

As one study ponders evolutionary reasons for some women's difficulty reaching climax, another draws a map of modern romance

David Adam, science correspondent
Wednesday June 8, 2005
The Guardian


Women who fail to orgasm during sex may be genetically programmed to weed out unreliable men who are a flop between the sheets, according to new research.  Scientists who have studied the ability of thousands of women to climax say it is largely written in their genes - the most compelling evidence so far that the female orgasm has a biological role.
 
The findings suggest the failure of some women to orgasm regularly is not a dysfunction, but a sophisticated mate-selection strategy that evolved during prehistoric times.
 
Tim Spector of St Thomas's hospital in London, who led the research, said: "The theory is that the orgasm is an evolutionary way of seeing if men can prove themselves to be likely good providers or dependable, patient and caring enough to look after the kids."
 
Women who orgasm very easily may be more likely to be satisfied with poor quality men.
 
 
"Perhaps women who had orgasms too easily weren't very good selectors," Professor Spector said. "It paid women to be more fussy and this is one way of doing it. The simple fact is that it takes women on average 12 minutes and men two and a half minutes to reach orgasm. Adjusting to that imbalance is a test."
 
His team used a national register of twins to ask 4,037 women, aged 19 to 83, about their sex lives and to compare their DNA.
 
the article goes on to site the specifics of the study and you can read the rest here..http://www.guardian.co.uk/life/science/story/0,12996,1501314,00.html....but the question i wan to ask is :
 
quote:

  Women who orgasm very easily may be more likely to be satisfied with poor quality men.


Have you found this to be true? that the perfect penis attached to a not so perfect fella, bonded you deeper then say a great guy who you were not as sexually compatible with? Lesbians please feel free to comment because the question is one that any woman who has an orgasm can answer.
 
Does good sex with the wrong person ...create a deeper pair bonding then not so good sex with the right person.
 
and ...
 
Have you, like the article seems to believe, had the cumulitive experiance, that because women take ten minutes longer to orgasm then men on average, that the sort of male willing to bridge that gap, demonstrates character traits that are desirable for child rearing and pair bonding. ie:strength, staying power, commitment, focus, integrity ect....
 
 
 
I know for me it does ring true:
 
also i started this out in polls but could not think of the questions to fill in the questionair...do you have any suggestions for some good polling questions related to this topic?

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 6:36:44 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

quote:

  Women who orgasm very easily may be more likely to be satisfied with poor quality men.


have you found this to be true? that the perfect penis attached to a not so perfect fella, bonded you deeper then say a great guy who you were not as sexually compatible with? Lesbians please feel free to comment because the question is one that any woman who has an orgasm can answer.


Ummm...no. I have a lot of "penis" opportunities that I don't take because the male it is attached to is not of the caliber I seek in a partner.

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Do you, like the article seems to believe, agree with the idea that because women take ten minutes longer to orgasm then men on average, that the sort of male willing to bridge that gap, demonstrates character traits that are desirable for child rearing and pair bonding. ie:strength, staying power, commitment, focus, integrity ect....  


Again I have to disagree. I don't think that a man's willingness to spend an 10 extra minutes in the sack is a good indicator of anything other than his libido.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 6:46:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: mistoferinAgain I have to disagree. I don't think that a man's willingness to spend an 10 extra minutes in the sack is a good indicator of anything other than his libido.


Is that what you think erin...or has that been your cumulative experiance....my question goes to cumulative experiance...however i asked the question wrong...thank you ill go change it right now.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 6:52:38 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: crouchingtigress

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ORIGINAL: mistoferinAgain I have to disagree. I don't think that a man's willingness to spend an 10 extra minutes in the sack is a good indicator of anything other than his libido.


Is that what you think erin...or has that been your cumulative experiance....my question goes to cumulative experiance...however i asked the question wrong...thank you ill go change it right now.


Yes, that has been my experience. I have experienced sex with men who were very talented lovers but who also completely lacked the ability to make commitments, rear children or lead successful lives and were not exactly "gifted" in the integrity department.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 7:00:21 AM   
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For me the variables are many and various. Time of the month (around ovulation time I am juicier), How my lover has behaved to me in the preceeding period - so a partner who was being selfish and uncommunicative during the day would hardly be flavoursome to me afterwards. Whether he bothered to text/phone/warm me up with some exciting/romantic flirting. Stimulants, alcohol, coffee, nice food. Being rested and not overtired. Feeling secure with him (ie. Not in the midst of worrying about his behaviour with other women, etc)  If all of these things are ticked, then the professor can add me to his list.  I think the best orgasms are with your monogamous partner, after you have discovered which buttons to press, and when he has discovered yours. Men like to look, touch feel, women like to hear, touch, feel.  The sweet nothings whispered into her ear at the appropriate time are terribly productive in bringing her to the greatest heights. Thats my twopence worth..!!

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 12:57:58 PM   
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that'd be intersting if it is proven to be true. i belive in the evoluntionary theory and think it'd be intersting to find another way of how we've evovled as a whole.

i don't know about the men who are good sex partners but not good relationship partners. i think personally that at first women tend to get sex feelings as love feelings and after awhile you can seperate when it's a good rush just because he was good in bed or if he really cares about you and his thoughtfulness about you and the relationship in general makes you giddy.

i don't think it is the deciding factor on why i personally have stayed attached in the past to guys who obviously are not relationship compatable with me, but i do think that phsyical contact does complicate the issue.

about the length i think it varies from person to person..i know for me personally it takes more than 12 minutes for my first o to happen. i belive in some instances if a guy isn't worried about you getting there and is only worried about himself it comes off as negative characteristic traits, but i think it depends on the guy regarding if he does go the extra mile. if outside of sex he doesn't seem as into you it comes off as libido as mistoferin said but in other instances if you both feel a connection i think it does show that he has desirable characteristics.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 1:10:04 PM   
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In my experience, a man who focuses on "making" the female orgasm, or bases his own sexual prowess on the number of orgasms she has or how quickly he made her have them is usually greatly lacking in a lot of other areas pretty much covered by erin's post.  I much prefer a lover who makes me feel good, both in and out of bed, and if my mind is happy (or at least relatively so!), I'm much more relaxed and open in bed and more responsive orgasmically.  But as soon as I sense that the man is simply going through the motions so I have an orgasm, I get pretty turned off and the orgasm usually doesn't happen.


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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 1:31:15 PM   
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i dont think my being to orgasm easily has any refrerence to the type of men i seek out on a whole i would say about 70% of the men i have slept wit have just been shit hot in bed and the rest just werent.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 1:47:29 PM   
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Well, that was an interesting read, and I don't really know what to think. I learned how to give myself an orgasm at a young age. I taught man how to please me in the way I like. Later in life I taught myself how to have multiple orgasms, which led me to teach man to hang on and enjoy the ride. So, do I credit man or my own God given ability to have an orgasm?  Whatever, as long as I have them.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 2:14:39 PM   
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Ok, at first I had written an answer without reading the study, but said, be fair go read the full thing before being me.  I should have just let it be.  Let me preface this by saying this isn't an attact on anyone's else's buying into the hype.     This is just my Unsophisticated oppyinion.

My thougt was that the study just sounds to me like it was an old take on the same idea, theory, saying, etc. of women needing to feel emotionally connected to the man they engage with in the art of sexual intercourse.  Before having read the article, I was going to say, I sure hoped they hadn't wasted tax payers dollars to do this study as they so often do in the US, and there it was in the article, how they could do so much more research and discover so much more if they could obtain some more money please.   Since sometimes my brain doesn't retain information for very long, it's a neurological thing, I can't comment on that last little tidbit that had me really roaring. darnit, it was too funny and I think oh so full of chit.

Rosa 

PS......btw, I'm like many, I too do need that emotional connection to have a good O, well usually.  Catch me at the that time of the month when my hormones are going haywire and who knows.  then there's VB who never lets me go unsatisfied. 

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/5/2006 2:34:24 PM   
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I do have to say that the reverse is also true. I have been with some women who couldn't get me off even when I explained how to them. Personally, I think it is a combination between genetic predisposition and phychological conditioning.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:39:01 AM   
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Mabey some of these women should take Dr. Phil to bed with them. What is wrong with enjoying sex for sex sake. Why is the male always getting the short end of these post.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:43:01 AM   
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I noted in an article in a magazine awhile back (Men's Health) that a womans orgasm lasts about 23 seconds and a mans about 6................

So, we need about 4 to your 1 to keep up............

Therefore, we are going to play a little game of 68-----

Blow me, and I'll owe you one.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:44:54 AM   
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Therefore, we are going to play a little game of 68-----




Did I hear the number 68 mentioned?

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:45:59 AM   
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You need to travel, girl.


LOL,
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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:49:00 AM   
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And leave Jersey????  Never.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:54:13 AM   
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Making left hand turns is done all over the world, you don't have to be afraid, you will become used to it and not even think about it after the first couple of times.

Same with orgasms

Ron

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 8:57:42 AM   
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Hey "I" want to leave Jersey....

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 9:10:13 AM   
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All of those lefts...wouldn't that make me just go in circles?
Just easier to stay home and have orgasms.

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RE: Orgasms!!! - 11/7/2006 9:22:48 AM   
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Therefore, we are going to play a little game of 68-----



Ok nieve here...i know what 69 is....what is 68?

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