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beltainefaerie -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/7/2006 9:36:52 PM)

In the case of these profiles, I really do think that they are likely inexperienced or obnoxious, but I do have a delightful, willful brat.  She talks back, whines and does not submit readily, but we both enjoy the process and I find it rewarding to actually be able to take her down.  Besides, I find it amusing.  She talks back and I hit her harder.  Still, it is contextual.  She knows that she doesn't get to talk that way to my Master.  (we are all friends and occasionally He plays with her.)  He despises insolence and He'd be likely to hurt her in a bad way.  So, maybe these guys are wannabees, or maybe they'll find someone that actually enjoys the back-and-forth struggle of "taming" them.  It is all about what you enjoy together.




Celeste43 -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 8:10:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Some people get off wildly on wrestling and take down scenes. If you don't, then you aren't compatible. Wish him good luck and keep on looking. The fact that he's into something you aren't doesn't make either of you necessarily wrong, just incompatible.


There is a huge difference between doing it for a scene or two and doing it all the time.  The profiles that I have seen have a strong implication that this kind of behavior (wrestling, taking down, forcing) would be required on a daily basis to earn the submission of the boy writing the profile. 

I would rather earn the boy's submission through compatablility and mutual respect and care.  If I have to re-earn that submission daily, or even weekly, it would be a waste of time on all sides.  I would feel used (for that leather wearing, whip weilding fantasy that they seem to have), and I would be miserable.  As TammyJo said, I do this for fun and relaxation - that kind of relationship is not relaxing or fun, and would probably quickly degenerate into being abusive.


Wasn't arguing. Just seems that so often when people get offers from someone they aren't compatible with, they seem to label the other person as bad as opposed to just saying, "Sorry, don't think we're looking for the same things". And that I don't get. It would be like labeling someone who preferred the Mexican restaurant to the Chinese one as bad when it isn't a moral imperative it's just a matter of taste.

I guess I'm just curious as to why you don't simply write back that you aren't interested in taming anyone but you wish them good luck as opposed to some of the name calling that gets done.




BossySSBBW -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 10:24:12 AM)

When I hear that from a male, I usually get the next sentence saying what would you do to tame me.  That gives me a good idea that all this person is looking for is fodder for his fantasy.  He will never be in the life in real time, he is just fishing for stories to get off on.  I usually block them quickly because when I confront them on that issue they turn very defensive and offensive. I just don't have the energy to waste arguing with them.




SweetDommes -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 11:23:20 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

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ORIGINAL: Celeste43

Some people get off wildly on wrestling and take down scenes. If you don't, then you aren't compatible. Wish him good luck and keep on looking. The fact that he's into something you aren't doesn't make either of you necessarily wrong, just incompatible.


There is a huge difference between doing it for a scene or two and doing it all the time.  The profiles that I have seen have a strong implication that this kind of behavior (wrestling, taking down, forcing) would be required on a daily basis to earn the submission of the boy writing the profile. 

I would rather earn the boy's submission through compatablility and mutual respect and care.  If I have to re-earn that submission daily, or even weekly, it would be a waste of time on all sides.  I would feel used (for that leather wearing, whip weilding fantasy that they seem to have), and I would be miserable.  As TammyJo said, I do this for fun and relaxation - that kind of relationship is not relaxing or fun, and would probably quickly degenerate into being abusive.


Wasn't arguing. Just seems that so often when people get offers from someone they aren't compatible with, they seem to label the other person as bad as opposed to just saying, "Sorry, don't think we're looking for the same things". And that I don't get. It would be like labeling someone who preferred the Mexican restaurant to the Chinese one as bad when it isn't a moral imperative it's just a matter of taste.

I guess I'm just curious as to why you don't simply write back that you aren't interested in taming anyone but you wish them good luck as opposed to some of the name calling that gets done.


Who said that I was messaged by people with this in their profile?

I saw multiple profiles in a row that had this attitude, and I was curious as to if I was the only one who saw it as undesireable.  Honestly, I'm hoping that some of the submissives who are on the site and lurk over here (and I know that there are a lot who do) will read this and consider how their profile comes across to Dominants.  The general consensus is that it's not an attitude that they want in their submissive (with an exeption or two) - and all of the submissives out there wondering why they can't find someone "dominant enough" to "tame them" need to know that they are turning most potential Dominants off by their attitude. 

Oh, and I didn't do any namecalling.  When we get messaged by someone with that kind of profile, I do reply back that we aren't interested - which typically results in said "submissive" flaming me and telling me that we're not really Dominant and wouldn't be able to handle them anyway.  Kind of leaves a sour taste in my mouth, but I still always reply to the first e-mail in the same way - they either get a "sorry, not interested, but thanks" message, or a "you need to read the profile more carefully" message, just like anyone without that attitude who messages me (although, without that attitude, there is at least the possiblity of a "hey, let's chat" reply ... lol).

I was simply curious as to how others perceive submissives who have this kind of profile - I have found that I'm not alone in my estimation that having that attitude is not desireable.  I certainly hope that at least one of the submissives with a profile described will see this and learn from it.  If they are truly wanting to find someone, they need to know how they are coming across to people who read their profile - someone who says that they are not a doormat, that they only give their submission to someone who deserves/earns it, etc. gives a much better impression than someone who says "I must be tamed, no one is dominant enough for my submission" (or worse, "no one is dominate enough" *shudder).  I would guess that at least 1/2 of the ones with such a profile truly don't know that's how they are being perceived, and truly don't intend to come across that way.  If no one ever tells them, how will they know?




MistressSassy66 -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 12:34:36 PM)

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ORIGINAL: razzberries

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ORIGINAL: Lashra
I've never had a sub like this but I truly believe that they are just inexprienced boys who want a Domme who is going to punish them for being *naughty*.

I'm just speculating, but is it possible that guys like that are not only inexperienced, but also conflicted?  They are attracted to submission, but it conflicts with their image of masculinity. The solution, they think, is too find a woman so dominant that they will not feel shame in submitting to her.







I think you have a valid point,I see it quite a bit.
Its easy to think about it harder to do....
But then again there is that type that just wants attention and acts like a naughty boy to get it.



To touch on the point of being animalistic... I too have that Big Cat persona.
Like with O/others I tend to keep that side of Me tame,I only let a selected few ever see that side.Its easy to let that side out with some people and hard to keep it in check at times with others.




Morrigel -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 2:36:25 PM)

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ORIGINAL: razzberries
I'm just speculating, but is it possible that guys like that are not only inexperienced, but also conflicted?  They are attracted to submission, but it conflicts with their image of masculinity. The solution, they think, is too find a woman so dominant that they will not feel shame in submitting to her.


I think you have made a very important point about many submissives in general, both male and female but especially male.  Submission in general is often frowned upon in our society, and even when it is accepted or condoned it is far more condoned in the female than in the male.  I think that many men are MASSIVELY conflicted about their submissive side, and often keep themselves from experiencing submission and the fulfillment of their submissive desires in various ways!  This could be only one of many.

Yes, innaresting thought...

--M





Jasmyn -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 3:32:09 PM)

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The solution, they think, is too find a woman so dominant that they will not feel shame in submitting to her

 
Adds to the growing chorus about this being a valid point [:)]  ... .  I don't think it matters if he is submissive or not, what matters is if he surrenders ...
 
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I'm just speculating, but is it possible that guys like that are not only inexperienced, but also conflicted?  They are attracted to submission, but it conflicts with their image of masculinity.

 
And wouldn't it be a dull dull world if we didn't have any elabourate guises for people to use in an effort to legitimise their submission...




razzberries -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (11/8/2006 8:05:55 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Jasmyn
And wouldn't it be a dull dull world if we didn't have any elabourate guises for people to use in an effort to legitimise their submission...


Oh, I imagine a bit of role play could smooth relations, while spicing them up at the same time.  An employee or servant who has messed up or underperformed, being taken to task... the guy holding to his pride and dignity, while submitting to her authority.....good stuff.




SweetDommes -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (1/21/2007 11:41:34 PM)

I thought of this topic when I saw this: "Can you bring me down to my knees and take control?" in a profile

We have some new Ladies on the board ... any new thoughts?




RumpusParable -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (1/22/2007 12:06:46 AM)

SweetDommes,

Personally, I would not bother contacting such a profile owner... and may take a moment to consider responding to an email they sent to me.  I like a person who is self-sufficient and has a backbone in general, but I'm looking for someone who hands over their submission without a fight once we've decided to go that route together.

I prefer to learn someone and have them learn me in an open exchange of power, not struggle against someone who's intending from the start to withhold it as long as they can.

On the "what I've seen so far" note, in my experience to date those that say such things are not seeking to submit to the proper person.  So far those I've dealt with are play-bottoms looking for their rush through the act of denying another's dominance over them... which I don't frown on, but find frustrating when they don't just pursue their kink in a more straight-forward manner so that those of us looking for D/s don't accidentally end up ending a topping session we never wanted or agreed to.

Not saying all are such, though.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (1/22/2007 12:13:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

I have seen more than a few profiles along the lines of "are you Dominant enough to tame me?" or "i'm wild and willful, it will take a very dominant woman to get me under control" ... (direct quotes from 2 of the more recently seen profiles)

What are other's thoughts on this?  I am withholding my opinion for the moment, but will post it later.


i think i may have used that line once or twice...but i've removed it. i'm still a bit of a brat, but i didn't want to put it in my profile any more. would be fun to get "tamed"

LOL




SweetDommes -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (1/22/2007 12:21:46 AM)

I tend to agree with you, Rumpus ... I just hope that some of the guys out there read this (I know for a fact that there are a lot who lurk and don't post) and learn how they sound, particularly if that's not how they intend to sound.




LeatherBentOne -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (1/22/2007 5:59:24 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SweetDommes

I have seen more than a few profiles along the lines of "are you Dominant enough to tame me?" or "i'm wild and willful, it will take a very dominant woman to get me under control" ... (direct quotes from 2 of the more recently seen profiles)

What are other's thoughts on this?  I am withholding my opinion for the moment, but will post it later.


I'd run like hell from a profile such as this unless I was into brats or sams.




MzMia -> RE: Presenting a Challenge ... (1/22/2007 2:42:05 PM)

Major SAM, and I run like hell---> the other way.




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