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malepleases4ever -> Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/3/2005 11:58:42 AM)
Cause it turns out that I was right, suckaz! The State Supreme court of Nebraska agrees with me that fun is fun between consenting adults, but it CAN be taken too far. Just as I said here - Correct and unappreciated post And here is your required reading -Yous all is wrong!!

FangsNfeet -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/3/2005 12:14:11 PM)
Fun is fun between consenting adults but can be taken to far. I don't get it. What exactly are you getting at and why are you relying and the Nebraska Supreme Court to back up your ideas? And why the "See I told You SO!" Drama? If you're true to yourself then you have nothing to prove. All of us are free and in this Life Style and others we the people as individuals decide what to do with that Freedom and not the government for that wouldn't be freedom now would it? I remember the Canadian Supreme court ruling that Parents aren't allowed to spank there kids Untill they turn 4yrs old and had to stop using spanking after they turn 11. What do you say to a person who say's "See I told you I was right about child discipline?" So is the Nabraska supreme court really doing you any good in proving a point? Survey Says: NO! Take care and enjoy a cup of tea. [image]local://upfiles/68772/01FF6B7870D44EEFA7CD85B776ABB742.jpg[/image]

willing2serve -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/3/2005 12:34:45 PM)
Couldn't have said it better Fangsnfeet..... Respectfully, Willing2serve

domtimothy46176 -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/3/2005 1:18:40 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: malepleases4ever Cause it turns out that I was right, suckaz! The State Supreme court of Nebraska agrees with me that fun is fun between consenting adults, but it CAN be taken too far. Just as I said here - Correct and unappreciated post And here is your required reading -Yous all is wrong!! I think it is generally understood that most things can be taken too far. People are somewhat fragile and can be broken if handled improperly. I think the Nebraska case serves to illustrate the importance of self-awareness and communication. Before entering into a relationship with another one needs to be very aware of what one does and doesn't want and be certain that one has adequately relayed that information to one's potential partner. As far as basic human rights are concerned, the definition may differ depending on own's personal beliefs. I think it's a matter of record that one can't legally surrender the rights guaranteed by the government. One can, however, decline to exercise those rights. I'm not certain I have a grasp of your underlying reason for beginning this thread. Would you care to clarify? Timothy

Voltare -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/4/2005 2:32:04 PM)
Actually, I think I posted recently in another post, that you cannot (legally) relinquish your rights - in part because they are tied in to your responsibilities. Our right to due process, for example, cannot be relinquished because if you could give that right up, then you could (legally) argue that since you did not have due process, any conviction against you would be faulted. It's like if one team gives up the right to use their feet in soccer, they could only use their heads. The game would be inherently unfair, and a victory by the team who can use their feet becomes meaningless. Stephan

NATI -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/4/2005 5:06:28 PM)
quote: The State Supreme court of Nebraska agrees with me that fun is fun between consenting adults, but it CAN be taken too far. This is like saying, "The sky is often blue, but it CAN rain sometimes."

FangsNfeet -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/6/2005 7:54:50 PM)
I have one more thing to add to this thread before I'm done with it. So the law says Bla Bla Bla. As it ever accured to you that I might not give a damn what the law says? I'm always in the mood for BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW! So [:'(] Watcha going to do about it when I'm doing exactly what I want with my submissive? It's to far when we say it's to far and not for the law to decide. Comprende? Capice? Understand? BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW!

liltxsubby -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/6/2005 8:42:36 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: FangsNfeet BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW! Is that why there are hancuffs under your name? :P J/K i know what they are but just struck me as funny. [:D]

RiotGirl -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/6/2005 10:42:19 PM)
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sweetpleaser -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/7/2005 4:03:17 AM)
Damn girl, this must have hit a cord with you! Woohoo. I agree that we have lost a lot of our rights due to conservatives and homeland security but we are still better off than some other countries like Cuba to name one. There are countries where death squads can come into your home and take someone for execution for saying things you just said. What the OP is talking about, in my opinion, is nothing compared to real lack of human rights. In this lifestyle a slave can consent to give up all they want short of dying.

lovingmaster45 -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/7/2005 4:44:01 AM)
RiotGirl is absolutely correct. WE have the best justice system money can buy. If you have no money you can buy no justice. I taught criminology at USC for 26 years and nothing has changed; if anything it has gotten worse. Once upon a time we had "community" in the justice system. If you lived in a town and were known to have good character and a good support system, you got a second chance. Now it is a drag em in and process them system. Forget rehabilitaion. It will not work in our system. If you are interested in a system which does rehabilitate, look at Sweden and Denmark..

onceburned -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/7/2005 6:54:43 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sweetpleaser In this lifestyle a slave can consent to give up all they want short of dying. In the lifestyle yes, but that doesn't make it legal. In my state (Iowa) the Court of Appeals ruled in State v. Collier that consent can not be given to what is considered assault. Here is a highlight quote: There can be little doubt that the sadomasochistic activities involved in this case expose persons to the very type of injury deemed unacceptable by the legislature. Were we to follow the defendant's broad interpretation of "social activity," street fighting, barroom brawls and child molestation could be deemed acceptable social behavior, since such conduct is considered acceptable by some segment of society.

domtimothy46176 -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/7/2005 10:35:26 AM)
The government can take away our rights but we can't surrender them contractually. It wasn't my intent to suggest that our rights under the Constitution were absolutely inviolate. There are any number of ways that we can find our rights diminished. Timothy quote: ORIGINAL: RiotGirl quote: I think it's a matter of record that one can't legally surrender the rights guaranteed by the government. Timothy Sorry have to interrupt here. But the government can take awya those "quaranteed" rights. Like the right to vote, the right to bear arms for just the two off the top of my head. My rant about the government : ITS NOT A FREE COUNTRY. Ummm.. should i go through all the laws and "rules" of the things we are not allowed to do? Its outrageous. NOT only that but money is what runs our legal system. Not justice and truth. As well as those that are there to protect us and uphold the laws. DONT. Abuse of power! Guess what folks? If the law community decides to pick on you for any reason, you're screwed because one person can not stand up and take down the legal system. Its phucked every which way you look at it. Hey Hey, suicide is illegal, but they'll put you to death for free! People, Ladies, Gentleman, Masters, Mistresses, Tops, Doms, Domme's, Switches, slaves, slubs, bottoms, It is ALL about Money and POLITICS. Its NOT about right or wrong. Not even close. The government is just a legalized form of the Mafia, but with less freedom. Bring up the Goverment and i'll tell you it has no morals or sense of right or wrong. Its phucked and how can ya listent to something thats phucked?

Mercnbeth -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/7/2005 11:11:07 AM)
quote: The government is just a legalized form of the Mafia, but with less freedom. No it isn't for a number of reasons. These are the top five off the top of my head... #1 The biggest reason - The 'Mafia' ALWAYS makes a profit. #2 Speak ill of the 'family' and you Die. Speak ill of the government and you can run for office. Albeit as a Democrat, but they used to be a valid political party. #3 Mafia families are dictatorships. A change of regime is accomplished by execution. Even with the limited choices we have - we still have a choice. #4 You can't quit the Mafia. Feel free to move anytime outside the US. #5 The Mafia is pragmatic, driven by Reason #1 sited here. The government, well...they'll spend $50Million dollars and stop a $1 Billion dollar construction project to save a blind salamander living in a cave. quote: Bring up the Government and I'll tell you it has no morals or sense of right or wrong. Interesting - I thought it was 'morals' that got this version of Bush elected? And this opinion was based upon what direct knowledge and/or life experience? If you changed this to reflect government hypocrisy I'd agree with you completely and site many examples. Such as... #1 Tobacco legal drug that kill. / Marijuana illegal drug that can cure. (okay-maybe not cure but assist in ebbing symptomatic issues such as nausea during chemotherapy.) #2 Workfare versus Welfare. But if you work, we'll cut off the meager health care you and your children receive under welfare. #3 Save money, but government will tax any interest you earn from saving it. #4 Become a homeowner versus a renter and you will never deal with a landlord. Except even if you 'own' it 100% you don't really own it - don't pay your property taxes and find out who really owns it. #5 Mandatory day care - I mean public education. The 'value' of that, speaks to both hypocrisy, waste, mismanagement, and down right stupidity. I can't wait to hire someone taught in the new system of rewarding/promoting everyone. Who came from a system of no 'wrong' answers. At least I'll be able to refer him to his math class to convince him/her that $25 / hour is almost the same as $10/hr; since they've been taught that 2+2 almost equals 5.

freedomofcontrol -> RE: Anyone care to rehash the issue of human rights? (2/28/2005 12:03:08 AM)
you no your answers are very wellthough out Mercnbeth i almost died reading your list i must agree . But just because something is illegal does not mean it is wrong, poly to name a few some day freedom of reglion might be true but it is nto today

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