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RE: Who's winning? - 11/7/2006 11:05:19 PM   
dcnovice


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ORIGINAL: Foxer55

dcnovice,

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Ah, the night wouldn't have been complete without someone saying the terrorists won!

And yet, in a deeper and sadder sense, that's probably true. On a single day, terrorists turned the home of the brave into a nation so fear-bound that it sacrificed its principles and its stature by holding people without charge or due process, shredding the Geneva Conventions to practice torture and humiliation, eroding its citizens' rights to privacy, and launching a war under false pretenses. The terrorists drove America to betray herself again and again; and that is, it breaks my heart to say, no small victory.


Speaking from your temporal perspective.

Foxer


So your views are not temporal? Are they eternal?

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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 4:56:20 AM   
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and voters in Wyoming and Arkansas have approved referendums legally defining submission as a gift.

Sorry, katy.


hehe.

We've finally rid ourselves of Santorum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 5:06:56 AM   
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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 6:39:06 AM   
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It will probably be a solid Dem victory but probably will not cause the Rep to do anything different or move back toward the middle.

I may have misheard, but last night one of the talking heads said that many of the republicans who were defeated were moderates and they were replaced by moderate Democrats, so the effect is to move the Democrats toward the middle and the republicans further to the right.

I read something funny this morning -- one of the republicans said they would focus on their traditional issues like balancing thet budget. Pretty funny since they've thrown that issue in the garbage for the past 6 years.


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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 6:56:03 AM   
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todays results so far have been disappointing.  Thank god it looks like the senate will stay red. The democrats dont care and have never cared about the US military and those of us who serve in it...as John Kerry (aka jon carry) said to California students...got to college or get stuck in Iraq, that to me was no slip. That was a direct insult to me and every single one of us who volunteered years out of lives to wear this uniform and fight this war.  I joined after the war started, so did many of the current servicemembers....we are not fighting a war we didnt want to. We joined knowing there was a good chance we'll go to war. In Iraq.  Dont use us as political pawns. We sacrifice too much for our country for you to use us like that.


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"Poor me. Mommy, that man called me a name. Poor me. I'm special. Don't you know I'm special? Stop being mean to me. You guys are so mean."


The only sense in which every American and other non-Iraqi man or woman in uniform over there is not being used as a political pawn is the undeniable sense in which they are being used as pawns in a financial game in which they are allowed none of the winnings. And that is not to suggest for a moment that the Iraqis on the other side side of the fight aren't being played just as well by another set of greedy assholes. The same goes for the foreign insurgents who were busy leading productive lives somewhere else until Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld recruited them to come to Iraq to use American uniforms as training targets courtesy of the Republican-led congress who mortgaged our children's future--financially as well as politically--to pay for it.

I'm sick of this crybaby minority in the military who think that if you push paper in some Navy wharehouse in Newport News you're a fucking hero and that military service is the only way anyone can possibly serve their country.

Parents raising children serve their country. The guy who cleans the streets serves his country as do teachers and nurses, truck drivers and mechanics, etc, etc.

Well meaning guys who got hoodwinked into fighting someone else's civil war will presumably be willing to once again serve their country rather than Halliburton just as soon as they get pulled out of this quagmire--the one's who don't come home in bags.







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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 8:52:12 AM   
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I've grown to respect you, and enjoy your post tremendously.

But this one ... isn't one of which I think you can be proud.

FirmKY


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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 10:08:16 AM   
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Status: offline 		Why not?  To tell you the truth, I'm tired of loudmouth veterans too.  Some of them really seem to think that piously "supporting our troops" and not questioning the manner in which they're used are the sole marks of patriotism.

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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 1:35:52 PM   
Noah


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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Noah,

I've grown to respect you, and enjoy your post tremendously.

But this one ... isn't one of which I think you can be proud.

FirmKY



I respect your right to express your opinion.

Care to elaborate?

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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 4:44:51 PM   
dcnovice


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Some of them really seem to think that piously "supporting our troops" and not questioning the manner in which they're used are the sole marks of patriotism.


I think one of the most important ways we citizens can support our troops, particularly after Iraq, is to make damn sure we've asked hard questions of any leader proposing to send servicefolk into harm's way. We owe our troops at least that much.

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RE: Who's winning? - 11/8/2006 7:47:59 PM   
Lordandmaster


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Status: offline 		Yeah, I mean...veterans of the loudmouth variety like to bash Clinton, but he certainly preserved more soldiers' lives than the current chickenhawk.

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RE: Who's winning? - 11/10/2006 8:03:00 PM   
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We've finally rid ourselves of Santorum!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Hallelujah.

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