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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 7:35:54 AM   
Tallnsassy


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Thanks to A/all and thier perspectives on this subject

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 8:23:21 AM   
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recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please


My opinion?  Well, there is a lot of unnegotiated D/S in the vanilla world, but the concept 'kinky vanilla' does kind of boggle the mind. 

Shy extrovert?  Tall shorty?  Stupid genius?  Old newborn?

So - just what was it that they were they trying to convince you to do/believe?


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 8:47:34 AM   
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W/we were discussing the differentials betweem Dom/Master sub/slave.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 11:36:08 AM   
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I know unkinky vanillas who have a clear sense of who has the final authority in the family. I know people who are kinky who don't have any kind of a power relationship. Kink is just play, what bedroom games turn you on. D/s is just how you like the structure in a relationship. Comes in all different variants.

But I don't feel D/s is just a 'stepping stone' to M/s. I have objections to the word slave and will not ever go there.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 12:28:59 PM   
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Does this mean that lifestyle BDSM is all crushed nuts and hot fudge with no ice-cream?





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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 12:34:04 PM   
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Don't forget the cherry.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 1:17:13 PM   
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quote:

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Does this mean that lifestyle BDSM is all crushed nuts and hot fudge with no ice-cream?

Well there are certainly plenty of nuts to be found.  I like to crush them whenever possible... its cathartic.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 2:15:45 PM   
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[fast reply]

I kinda like the notion of "kinky vanilla" because a lot of folks seem to think they are entering some mysterious and magical world of ritual and protocol where any ideas of common sense from the vanilla world do not apply. So yeah, vanilla with "kinks" which could include power dynamics or physical play makes sense to me.

However, I suspect that my interpretation was not at all what was intended, and I'd rather not try to understand what he meant.


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/12/2006 8:17:02 PM   
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Don't forget the cherry.


someone in this lifestyle still has a cherry?? DAYUM~

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 12:46:11 PM   
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I don't see a Dom/sub relationship as kinky vanilla. I've known a few 'nillas that like to spice up their lifestyles now and then with various props, scenarios, etc. I can honestly say though that I have never met a D/s couple that were 24/7 BDSM lifestyle. It is my opinion that they are not, and observation had confirmed that opinion time and again. I have been slammed for stating this opinion in the past, and was quite shocked at the way the weekend ass slappers quickly informed me that my opinion was wrong.I wasn't aware that an opinion could be wrong, but I guess that if it bursts their bubble, it is. Oddly enough though, none of them made any argument to counter my opinion, though one of the BDSM icons here seemed to be of the impression that 24/7 meant wearing ones leathers to work. One would think that authors would be better informed, but I guess not.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 12:52:21 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy

recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please


That's kind of like saying that all vanillas are just undeveloped Dominants/submissives...

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 1:05:42 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy

recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please


most seem to be in the end. most in the end are in this for sex not to serve as slaves. and boy oh boy so many say they are master to get some one in the sack.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 7:21:32 PM   
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Realize this is coming from complete newbies to this lifestyle. My wife and I have been Vannila swingers for about 7 years. I have always liked the idea of rape role play, so just this past weekend we tried it and both of us loved it. I have no desire to Dominate her 24/7 and set strict guide lines like the examples Focus50 gave us. Every day I am a pretty easy going guy as far as sex goes being in swinging if she were to say I wanna f!@# that guy I say "go for it, see ya when you get home" I am not a controling possesive or even a jealous person, I just like to let my deviant side show through from time to time. Which is the reason we started exploring BDSM. I guess just like in vannila swinging there are many facets some people are there for anonymous 1 time sex with strangers, some want long term play friends, some are bed notchers and are out for quanity not quality. I am asuming BDSM is the same, you have 24/7 hardcore ritualistic people, you have single males looking to abuse women, you have people just looking to get kinky from time to time. I think Vanilla or not ther is something for everyone you just have to look for it.  Did that make a lick of sense??

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 7:42:56 PM   
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A bit of sence, but it sounds more like allowing your switch lady her desires than being a Dom or a sub and her yours .. which is all good.
there is no dominant force here. just a sharing of both sides of the experiences.
that is strickly swapping,

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 7:50:10 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Tallnsassy

recently I had a very interesting chat with someone who stated ..Dom/subs are just kinky vanillas..your opinion on this please


My opinion is that it's a bunch of nonsense. When my dominant's glass is empty I fill it. I am happy when he calls me his good girl and his little submissive. I am his. I choose not to be a slave because I have no desire to lose my right to consent (though I believe a slave retains the right to leave).

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/13/2006 8:25:43 PM   
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BA, I am a little perplexed by this last part.... What constitutes this mold you have in your mind of a "true" 24/7 BDSM lifestyle? I ask this as someone who considers herself to be involved in a 24/7 D/s relationship. while i admit it is more one than another, as in more D/s and less physical BD. I can see why your "opinion" has been bashed before, it is a statement, at best it is a therory. I eagerly await this reply.
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

I have never met a D/s couple that were 24/7 BDSM lifestyle. It is my opinion that they are not, and observation had confirmed that opinion time and again. I have been slammed for stating this opinion in the past, and was quite shocked at the way the weekend ass slappers quickly informed me that my opinion was wrong.I wasn't aware that an opinion could be wrong, but I guess that if it bursts their bubble, it is. Oddly enough though, none of them made any argument to counter my opinion, though one of the BDSM icons here seemed to be of the impression that 24/7 meant wearing ones leathers to work. One would think that authors would be better informed, but I guess not.


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/14/2006 12:47:10 AM   
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Not to seem like an insensitive clod. But one has to ask the question. And this is directed to ownedgirlie.
What the hell is a YOOT?
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RE: Question to A Master - 11/14/2006 6:36:01 AM   
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While I didn't use the word " true ", I am still happy to answer this. I believe that it constitutes a continual power exchange between owner and slave, as opposed to the people that either play at it or only practice it on weekends. Buzz words such as " play " and " scene " instantly tell me that the person speaking is not 24/7, as do some of the more asinine statements such as " So you wear your leathers to work? I bet that gets some looks! "
 
In essence, if the relationship lapses into vanilla, it is not 24/7. Call me elitist if you like, but like many other words that are misused in BDSM, 24/7 is already clearly defined, and interpriting it to mean " Power exchange when it is convenient and desirable " Is both wrong, laughable, and insulting to those of us who really are 24/7. It isn't about wearing leather to work ( or wearing it at all, for that matter ), it isn't about playing in a dungeon on Saturday night, it is about uninterrupted power exchange.

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RE: Question to A Master - 11/14/2006 6:56:49 AM   
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But then - there is so much wiggle room in the terms you are utizing (also) to define the entire thing...
 
I do not call you "elitist" - just not understanding (or, willing to understand) the perspective as it is presented by others.
 
*Dual income requiring someone in a position where they are not at one's beck and call  - therefore is it 24/7?
 
*Familial obligations that demand attention that may deprive the dominant of their charge's dutys - 24/7?
 
*The submissive's annoying requirment to urinate on occasion does inhibit their ability to serve as well, mitigating hte entirety of a '24/7 uninterupted dynamic'.... (Note to self: investigate 'Depends')
 
Anyhow - this list goes on and on - you get the idea.
 
The fact is - you have a vision of what you require of yourself and your's.. good for you.
 
Others may work as hard or harder at their vision, and discover that the world outside of their dynamic (yes, there is one) might preclude time and attention that you find possible because of your life and requisites.
 
Others might have something which is more stringent and requires more of <fill in the blank>.
 
Not better - just different... and, if two people are living together and make the effort and see their vision of a "utopian power exchange" (sarcasm included for free) made - but, not to your specifics - then they are 24/7 where I come from.
 
As an aside, I know people who use the term "scene" to encompass their lives and their friends lives and the interaction and communcion of that friendship and does not denote a simple transitory and small sadist/masochist interchange as you would describe.
 
That usage is somewhat antiquated (as fast as our language and references change) but, it is a valid definition.
 
So - please do not speak for all of us who are 24/7... most of us are quite capable of speaking for ourselves if we chose to do so... and, I did not get a vote on who would be spokesman! 
 
If I thought speaking out on my differentiations and protests towards others self defined lives would have any impact and/or sway these others, I would do so - but, it is the analogous equivalent of 'pissing in the wind'
 
And, besides - how another person decides to define themself and their world is not interfering with me living my life.
 
When it does, I can speak pretty well for myself.
 
~J
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ORIGINAL: BrutalAntipathy

While I didn't use the word " true ", I am still happy to answer this. I believe that it constitutes a continual power exchange between owner and slave, as opposed to the people that either play at it or only practice it on weekends. Buzz words such as " play " and " scene " instantly tell me that the person speaking is not 24/7, as do some of the more asinine statements such as " So you wear your leathers to work? I bet that gets some looks! "
 
In essence, if the relationship lapses into vanilla, it is not 24/7. Call me elitist if you like, but like many other words that are misused in BDSM, 24/7 is already clearly defined, and interpriting it to mean " Power exchange when it is convenient and desirable " Is both wrong, laughable, and insulting to those of us who really are 24/7. It isn't about wearing leather to work ( or wearing it at all, for that matter ), it isn't about playing in a dungeon on Saturday night, it is about uninterrupted power exchange.


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RE: Question to A Master - 11/14/2006 7:49:35 AM   
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Oh, I understand what 24/7 means. I disregard any interpritation of it that doesn't mean what the word implies. If the slave is out of the household in any uncontrolled situation, it is not 24/7/. So if the slave is working under the supervision of their owner, even chained at the ankle behind a counter, it is 24/7. If the slave is working at a position where the owner cannot exert control at any time, it is NOT 24/7.
 
If familial obligations outweigh service to ones owner, it is not 24/7.
 
As my slave is given times when she may use the restroom, I would also have to say that if they decide to jump up and run to the restroom without permission, it is not 24/7, though that one is the only thing you have offered that I might be willing to compromise on.
 
I have a vision of what 24/7 is, and that vision is based on the word itself. The lame copout that words and language changes is pointless unless a large group of people agree on a new definition. Linguistics change only when a majority agree upon the change. It does not change at the whims of individuals.
 
Also, I have never heard of anyone describing their lifestyle as a scene. You will pardon me if I believe it when I hear it with my own ears.
 
I am not speaking for everyone involved in 24/7. I am speaking for what IS 24/7. It is not my fault that some people delude themselves into thinking that 24/7 = 8/1, 12/4, or any other combination that does not equal 24/7.
24/7 is not the level of control exerted, but the frequency of the exertion.
 
Until you learn simple math, perhaps you might want someone else to speak for you.
 
Ok, that last part was rude, sorry. But geez man, don't jump on the definitions bandwagon until you get a majority vote on the new, revised definition, because it really, really pisses me off to hear some fluff bunny insist that they are 24/7, only to send their " slave " scurrying home for the week after a night of suspension bondage and light ass slapping at a dungeon. 24/7 my ass!

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