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MasterNdorei -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/12/2006 10:40:43 PM)
As a side note: Everyone involved should remove all jewelry before proceeding, and they(especially the Dominant) need to be aware of any metal bejeweled piercings so that precious areas do not get hotter than is intended... Master's dorei

tangldupinblue -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/12/2006 10:42:27 PM)
a weird side note...i'm a professional fire eater with my tongue pierced and it does heat up

DiurnalVampire -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/12/2006 10:50:07 PM)
OK, I am going to be the first non-sub who gets on the I wanna learn band wagon. Id be all for a CM weekend of play demos and such. Angel might not appreciate it quite as much, but he was warned that the collar made him my official guinea pig. Thre are so many things I have wanted to try that I read about in forums and whatnot. But edgeplay has never gotten into my itinerary, since I have no involvement in the public scenes and no one to learn anything from. So I hear, though, theres much more activity where I am going than where I am... so we shall see. Where would one go to learn a it about something like this, short of a seminar or other event? DV

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/13/2006 8:44:54 PM)
I enjoy it...both giving and receiving...but then, I would. ;-) Master Fire

SweetSarijane -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/13/2006 8:48:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam I enjoy it...both giving and receiving...but then, I would. ;-) Master Fire <grins> What types of fireplay do you like best? What all varieties have you tried/done? I really loved what was done to me the other night and I want to try some of the other types mentioned too.

SweetSarijane -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/13/2006 8:50:13 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterNdorei As a side note: Everyone involved should remove all jewelry before proceeding, and they(especially the Dominant) need to be aware of any metal bejeweled piercings so that precious areas do not get hotter than is intended... Master's dorei One of the other ladies who bottomed for the fireplay, has pierced nipples so extra care was taken around that area so as not to overheat them and burn her. Everything went wonderfully.

MasterFireMaam -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/13/2006 9:16:59 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SweetSarijane quote: ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam I enjoy it...both giving and receiving...but then, I would. ;-) Master Fire <grins> What types of fireplay do you like best? What all varieties have you tried/done? I really loved what was done to me the other night and I want to try some of the other types mentioned too. I learned two techniques that I like more than the rest. One is painting on an alchohol/water mix design, then lighting it. The other is directly painting with fire...the brush is on fire when you paint. It's wetted with an alcohol/water mix, too. A third technique that I have yet to do (but could easily since I already spin) is fire poi. Poi are, in their simplest form, balls on strings. Fire poi are where you have kevlar balls soaked in a fuel and set on fire. You spin them so as to swish the fire across the body. Plus, it just looks cool. Master Fire

SweetSarijane -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/13/2006 9:22:34 PM)
I've heard of fire poi, but until now hadn't had it explained to me exactly what it was. Thank you so much. Adding it to my list <smile> along with the fire cupping and flogging. Watching others having it done to them was nearly as intense and enjoyable as when I was having it done to me.

swtnsparkling -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/14/2006 2:55:38 AM)
Ive had fire play done to me two ways. One was with the huge q-tip like thing- wiped over an area of skin and then lit. The other way was just alcohol was placed over an area on my skin and lit. The second way I liked best seemed as if the fire lasted a tad bit longer- and when my Dom wiped the plam of his hand through the fired alcohol his plam was lit up with fire as well- it was awesome to see- like his hand was shooting fire - he liked it as well. Also painted on - make a symbol or letter and light that- do it a couple times over the same spot leaves a nice red print ( no not burned skin just a mark that goes away)

Dnomyar -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/14/2006 9:17:08 AM)
Thanks for the fire poi ideal.

Marquisd -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/14/2006 8:03:10 PM)
HELPPPP!!! You don't actually light the alcohol on the skin. First you use a 70/30 alcohol solution or your bottom is going to meet the fire department in your neighborhood on a first name basis. #2 is, that you have water close to be able to handle any "mishaps" burning hair comes to mind. Some bottoms have too much bodyhair and you need to shave them FIRST! No, shaving cream as the chemicals will burn the skin. You dip your wand (please no Q-tips people!) , gauze works great, and THEN light the gauze. Now you can drag the fire over the skin and follow up with your hand or a cloth (wet) to extinguish the flames (if present). Play safe, sane and consentual. cheers Marquis

SweetSarijane -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/14/2006 11:22:40 PM)
A wet towell helps too. I had one on my neck and partially over my hair to protect it.

swtnsparkling -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/15/2006 2:59:22 AM)
quote: You don't actually light the alcohol on the skin. First you use a 70/30 alcohol solution or your bottom is going to meet the fire department in your neighborhood on a first name basis. Ive done it both ways the gauze ( I called it a q-tip thing lol) on fire and dragged over areas of skin. I have also had it done this way- cotton ball soaked in alcohol- wiped over an area of skin- a huge letter written on my back and then the area was lit, yes right on the skin, as I stated before he would then wipe his hand (one hand) through that ( his hand would look like it had fire shooting from it) and the other hand was a wet wash cloth to wipe my skin. We were very careful and an expert in fire play ( I say expert because he was concidered such gave demos and classes on this) was standing right there. He also joined in a time or two I in no way am recomending this to anyone. Just saying it is how I experienced it and loved it and nothing at all bad happened to me.

MaamJay -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 12:45:15 AM)
I echo the idea that fire play is something to be learned from experts, and most of the safety precautions have been raised. I would stress the one about hair - long hair should be tied up in a chignon, a net or other such style so it cannot accidentally flick down into the fire if the sub moves a bit while spacing out happily. Have a soaking wet towel in a bucket on hand. And yes, the right kind of extinguisher too. Female Dommes need to watch out if they wear false fingernails ... melting acrylic isn't a good look and it can burn You! And yes, male subs should definitely be shaved as burning body hair is dangerous (and smelly!). OK so now a nitpick. A couple of posters made the comment that "fire is a living thing" because it "grows, feeds, reproduces" (I can't flick back to the post but I think they were the criteria chosen) so "fits the definition". Living things also excrete wastes, breathe air, respond to stimuli, moves, are made of cells and contain DNA! Fire doesn't fit ALL of these criteria! As My research involves investigating students' understandings of such things, I find it rather alarming when more than half of the 14 year-olds I survey are convinced that fire is truly living, as is the Sun! And about 30% of them think cars are alive! They say the problem arises from people using language as an analogy without making that clear ... so the students take it literally! They're at the age where they are still concrete thinkers so when someone says "My car just died", that means it must have been alive. So please, can we be a little more careful about how we use such language ... yes fire does act in some ways that mimic living things ... and yes it is hard to control ... but please don't say it IS living! Thanks!! Maam Jay aka violet[A]

Lady Alaria -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 3:54:05 AM)
I adore fire, been playing with it since I was a kid and nearly set the kitchen on fire. Me and my sister discovered that you could light the vapors that came out of a nail polish remover bottle. Then accidentally spilled the bottle across the floor. Wanted to ask, what is fire flogging? And, MasterFire, how would fire poi work into fireplay? I mean, I could see spinning fire around someone's head could invoke a bit of terror play. I sworddance, and love to spin a fully live blade around, at speed, while someone is kneeling at my feet ;). But I'm not sure what you mean by 'swish the fire across the body'. Elaborate? Couple notes To Marquisd: Alcohol+fire out of control+ water generally=bigger fire methinks. I could be wrong on this. Wet towel is great, but just 'water on hand'.... The point about 70/30 was good though. 99% isopropyl will actually ignite(as opposed to the vapors igniting) and therefor roast the skin. Could be bad. To MaamJay: depends on who's system of reference you're using as to what the definition of 'alive' is. According to the modern scientific definition of life, you are absolutely correct. But science is just a methodology of understanding. A map, not the territory. And words have a lot of other ways of being used than the pure scientific definitions. Just like 'energy' can be, quite correctly, used to describe things other than what those crazy electrons get themselves up to while you're not lookin. I tend to think of fire as being alive, but then, I have meaningful conversations with trees, so...shrug. Sorry for the mild thread hijack in the last bit, I'm just annoyed by fundamentalist science dogma almost as much as I am by it's christian equivalent..

HDLeatherBear -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 6:58:53 AM)
Fire as a "living" thing. Maaamjay, your definition of "living" is based on science and only what is observable on this plane of existence. If that is the reality you choose to accept/work with...great. But do ont belittle what is reality to others. Fire has a deep Magicko-Religous elemnet as well. The spirits of fire, (salamanders, and no not the lizards we see on this plane) have been recognized for centuries. There is much more in the Universe than what can be verified by "science" and always has been. As the knowledge humans have of the Universe increases what was yesterdays Magick and superstition becomes todays "science". Fire play is wonderful. The use of Fireplay in Ritual is even more wonderful.

SweetSarijane -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 8:00:06 AM)
I see fire as a living thing, powerful, full of energy. You just have to think outside the box and not be bogged down in scientific definitions of life and death, animate and inanimate.

Elegant -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 8:49:05 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MaamJay So please, can we be a little more careful about how we use such language ... Maam Jay aka violet[A] This comment above from one who implies that a net is a hairstyle and that someone with a submissive personality is an underwater boat?

Archer -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 9:31:58 AM)
Living things also excrete wastes, breathe air, ... LOL caught violating your own call for precise language there, fish breather water not air.

Elegant -> RE: Fire Play for the First Time (11/16/2006 9:36:15 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Archer Living things also excrete wastes, breathe air, ... LOL caught violating your own call for precise language there, fish breather water not air. Actually Sir, fish breathe oxygen. They extract oxygen from water by moving it across their gills, while we extract oxygen from air by inhaling fresh air into our lungs. But the premise is the same....fish do not breathe air!

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