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cloudboy -> RE: increased masturbation in a Ds relationship -- are we alone? (11/16/2006 5:05:22 PM)

Masturbation is not about technique, place, or frequency ---- its about the erotic thoughts in one's head.

I suppose you are trying to see if your slave can maintain erotic thoughts in different physical positions, times, and places.

I agree with you that forced chastity does make the relationship "all about sex." Its ironic, but true.

Forced chastity issexual domination and motivation --- very carrot and stick behavior control.

Removing sexual release as a component of submission leaves submission standing alone without sex. If you are able to do this, you may truly be "more dominant" and less manipulative.




nikaa -> RE: increased masturbation in a Ds relationship -- are we alone? (11/16/2006 5:45:23 PM)

Tammy Jo,
 
My last submissive was required to masterbate x amount of times per day. (The numbers changed depending on his daily routine and my mood) There where times where his cock was left raw and tender from masterbating so often.
 
He was also extremely flexible and when we parted ways he was able to use more than his hands to get himself off with.
 
I felt that these masterbations requirements kept his submission about our true dynamics not about the need to "get off".
 
 





thetammyjo -> RE: increased masturbation in a Ds relationship -- are we alone? (11/17/2006 7:40:51 AM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Masturbation is not about technique, place, or frequency ---- its about the erotic thoughts in one's head.

I suppose you are trying to see if your slave can maintain erotic thoughts in different physical positions, times, and places.



Well, yes and no. While erotic thoughts can play a big role if we only experience sex in one way that way can over-ride the thoughts in our heads to a big degree. Think about a true fetish -- without that object there is not sexual release regardless of how many erotic thoughts one has.

I think human beings tend to go for what is comfortable so we find one way that works sexual and we stick with it. That can be fine as long as we are either only with ourselves or only with a partner that has the same sexual model that works for them. That odds are that someone will be giving up some sexual pleasure for the other though and while that might be part of the submissive/slave dynamic it won't be mine.

I happen to be able to enjoy sex and reach orgasm in a variety of ways myself -- perhaps part of coming to masturbation later in life for me -- so I want partners who are this flexible. Fox is pretty darned good but he isn't perfect and I think part of his job as my slave is to strive to better himself and mine is to focus him on that goal.

As a few other women here have said, sexual flexibility is a good thing not just for the current partners but for the individual and future relationships.

Let me just give you a current example. Since getting his ear pierced the normal way that Fox masturbates has been very difficult -- you all don't know us well enough to get a diagram here of what position he uses. He tells me this and admits that it's making him a bit more stressed than he's used to -- as though I can't tell?

This is what got me thinking and developing the new orgasm program. With me, he's pretty good though there are a few things I'd like to see more of. While I knew intellectually that what he does alone affects how he behaves when we are together, it wasn't in my face so to speak until this issue of his popped up. So I see this as an opportunity to help him develop greater flexiblity for both of us.

In my experience the best training and the best service happen when both people can feel, know, and see benefits for each of them. I also think when the training tackles a need then it works better because you can sense and gauge the results.

Anyway I'm rambling; I've got a cold and I should get offline and get more rest.




cloudboy -> RE: increased masturbation in a Ds relationship -- are we alone? (11/17/2006 10:24:36 AM)

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In my experience the best training and the best service happen when both people can feel, know, and see benefits for each of them.


Very true!! I think this mitigates against the oft-misleading notion that a Dom's pleasure or satisfaction is all a sub or slave ever needs. At some point such a calculus will fail miserably. I think mutual benefits are the most inspiring of all.





MistressDolly -> RE: increased masturbation in a Ds relationship -- are we alone? (11/18/2006 7:33:16 PM)

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ORIGINAL: cloudboy

Masturbation is not about technique, place, or frequency ---- its about the erotic thoughts in one's head.



It can sometimes get technical if you want to learn to further extend the brink time/have more powerful orgasms.  You know--if you get yourself close to an orgasm a few times before actually having one, when you do, it's a LOT more powerful.   It seems a little technical because you masturbate and practice stopping/slowing down right at the brink so after a while you will  reach a point where you'll be able to extend that intense brink time and you'll also start to experience longer, more intense waves of orgasm pleasure. 

(I know guys have to release for health reasons but I hear they can actually do this technique and not ejaculate...)




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