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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Having lived and worked in NYC until 9/11 you couldn't be more wrong.

Prior to Giuliani you couldn't stop at a traffic light without being attacked by the 'squeegee-men'. You couldn't go through a tunnel without being accosted by the 'tunnel-bunnies'. Arriving in Grand Central Station by the time you made the 10 block trek to the Port Authority you would have been offered every drug know to man and sexual perversions that the Marquis de Sade didn't consider. (OKAY, not everything Guiliani did was good.)

Now NYC is vibrant and alive. Granted he may have 'sold his soul to Disney' but if you were there at the time, you didn't believe you'd ever want to take you kids or clients anywhere near 42nd Street. There was no booming real estate market. Most businesses were paying 'protection' money. NYC represents the most dramatic turn around of any city. Administrations going back to Abe Beeme. including Koch, tried their best to do something about all the issues that Guiliani fixed during his first term. His program started with enforcing 'quality of life' crimes. Petty, ignored, acts that were ILLEGAL. Remember back in the day, where something being illegal didn't require any 'feel good' sentiment to enforce the law?

Is he perfect? NO. But he's a close to that honest, hard working, simple man that Ranger desires. He is pragmatic, made mistakes, and will make more. He has a very liberal side. He supports the liberal position regarding abortion, gun control, and gay marriage. I part ways with him on immigration. But I still can't reconcile how being pro-illegal alien is liberal. I guess it is liberal to support ongoing exploitation. But I digress.

It should be noted that on 9/11 Rudy's term was in the process of ending. It was the scheduled day of the Major primary. His decision to not accept money from the UAA speaks to his convictions and should be seen as a reason to support him. Corporations are mocked because they contribute to both candidates to hedge their bets. Here we have a man who refuses to accept funds from a source that through complicity contributed to the reason that money was needed. No one living or working in the city at that time wanted any of that 'guilt money'.

I won't necessarily support or vote for Rudy Guiliani, but I respect what he did and what he accomplished when he had the power to do so.

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Seems like this guy has got to be in his 60's, if he is just now taking his first step, wouldn't it be reasonable to assume he is a slow learner?

How's he going to keep up with current events, then?

The Senate Sub-committe on whacked-out fucks

Senator Blutarski, chair

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ORIGINAL: MasterKalif

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ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth
Having lived and worked in NYC until 9/11 you couldn't be more wrong.

Prior to Giuliani you couldn't stop at a traffic light without being attacked by the 'squeegee-men'. You couldn't go through a tunnel without being accosted by the 'tunnel-bunnies'. Arriving in Grand Central Station by the time you made the 10 block trek to the Port Authority you would have been offered every drug know to man and sexual perversions that the Marquis de Sade didn't consider. (OKAY, not everything Guiliani did was good.)

Now NYC is vibrant and alive. Granted he may have 'sold his soul to Disney' but if you were there at the time, you didn't believe you'd ever want to take you kids or clients anywhere near 42nd Street. There was no booming real estate market. Most businesses were paying 'protection' money. NYC represents the most dramatic turn around of any city. Administrations going back to Abe Beeme. including Koch, tried their best to do something about all the issues that Guiliani fixed during his first term. His program started with enforcing 'quality of life' crimes. Petty, ignored, acts that were ILLEGAL. Remember back in the day, where something being illegal didn't require any 'feel good' sentiment to enforce the law?

Is he perfect? NO. But he's a close to that honest, hard working, simple man that Ranger desires. He is pragmatic, made mistakes, and will make more. He has a very liberal side. He supports the liberal position regarding abortion, gun control, and gay marriage. I part ways with him on immigration. But I still can't reconcile how being pro-illegal alien is liberal. I guess it is liberal to support ongoing exploitation. But I digress.

It should be noted that on 9/11 Rudy's term was in the process of ending. It was the scheduled day of the Major primary. His decision to not accept money from the UAA speaks to his convictions and should be seen as a reason to support him. Corporations are mocked because they contribute to both candidates to hedge their bets. Here we have a man who refuses to accept funds from a source that through complicity contributed to the reason that money was needed. No one living or working in the city at that time wanted any of that 'guilt money'.

I won't necessarily support or vote for Rudy Guiliani, but I respect what he did and what he accomplished when he had the power to do so.

Mercnbeth, you make an excellent point...I guess I was going by what I remembered reading in the press before 9/11 about him...no one is perfect, but you are right regarding the zero-tolerance policy to crime ( I had stupidly forgotten about that), which was a good thing he did...

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ORIGINAL: peterK50

Rudy has yet to walk into the propeller as a national candidate. Let us cast our minds back......Rudy living in Gracie Mansion with his girlfriend as his wife starred in "The Vagina Monolouge's".....Rudy with his security chief Bernard Kerik, who turned out to be a huge fraud.......Rudy & his post- 9/11 security company cashing in on the tragedy........Rudy charging tens of thousands of dollars as a speaker post-9/11....the Manhatten DA's office which Rudy headed being sued by a wrongly jailed man for $50 million  for "institutional corruption"........look for the glory road to get very rocky for Rudy.

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ORIGINAL: saskslave

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He was an accomplice in the 9/11 attacks and suspiciously also surfaced after the London subway bombings.

I also understand that he has warm relations with KKKarl Rove and DicKKK Cheney, and has much of Iraq's stolen oil in barrells buried underneath a secret CIA prison. [sm=boohoo.gif]

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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

...I'm looking for the mail man, a retired school teacher, or some retired farmer with bib overalls, a straw hat and corn cob pipe to step up to the plate - I guess I'm looking for a honest-to-goodness real American.

- R

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ORIGINAL: MistressSophia

GOD HELP US ,If we get another Clinton in the white house! Wasn't 8 yrs of  THE WORLD LAUGHING AT AMERICA ENOUGH? Remember the US cole. the  bombing of the twin towers.. The criminals that were pardoned, before clinton left office. Not to meantion clintons bold disrespect for women. While Ms Clinton sang stand by your man. Say what you will about Bush but his daughters didn't walk into 100.000 jobs straight out of college. DO WE REALLY NEED Another bold face liar in the white house? By the way, you have to be a millionaire to enter the race. So no poor farmer. WE ARE OUT OF LUCK THERE!

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ORIGINAL: peterK50

Rudy has yet to walk into the propeller as a national candidate. Let us cast our minds back......Rudy living in Gracie Mansion with his girlfriend as his wife starred in "The Vagina Monolouge's".....Rudy with his security chief Bernard Kerik, who turned out to be a huge fraud.......Rudy & his post- 9/11 security company cashing in on the tragedy........Rudy charging tens of thousands of dollars as a speaker post-9/11....the Manhatten DA's office which Rudy headed being sued by a wrongly jailed man for $50 million  for "institutional corruption"........look for the glory road to get very rocky for Rudy.