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MagiksSlave -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 9:33:27 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline *And yet - you are still responsible for hte thread...* *Interesting.[;)]* ~J quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave quote: ORIGINAL: DreamyLadySnow Frankly I am so tired of hearing that phrase. It didn't wash after the Second World War and it won't wash now. Am seeing it in my local community with a lady I know - well I said all those things and ruined all those peoples' reputations because my master said they were bad people. I'm no longer with him so what I said then doesn't count. Um, it might count to THEM. Grr..you just hit a sore spot MagikSlave LS Sorry Miss I didnt mean too!! it bothers me too thats why I posted this. Magik's slave Yes I am completley responsable for this thread. However I take no (ok I take some because I did start this) responsability for what other people have to say on the subject Magik's slave

MagiksSlave -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 9:37:17 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: justheather quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali Groans at this topic- just seems like a passive aggressive flame to me...including a lovely suck-up to get support for your flame. If another thread inspires you to write about a subject, why make it a personal attack against someone? No one here is perfect. It seems to me as well that this topic could have easily been brought up without making it "about" another poster. Yet another disconcerting trend...the "Im not making fun of you because we had a disagreement on another thread, Im just curious about the subject" thread. Yet the OP is more about the other poster than it is about the subject. This subject was raised in a thread about definitions. There appeared to be a group of posters who believe that in an M/s relationship, the slave does not hold any personal accountability when following an order. The example given was more one of inconvenience and counter-productivity than a "right" vs "wrong" situation. I think that most people would understand, even if they disagree that it should be that way, that if a slave blindly follows an order that results in her performing an illegal act, in our society she would bear the legal consequences of said act. The act referred to in the OP, in my opinion, was just a matter of petty annoyance. No real ramifications, other than people getting their feathers ruffled, were felt as a result. I wonder, however, how many slaves would assert that because master owns the whole of the body, mind and spirit, if she were still morally accountable for acts that might be considered immoral according to the belief system she held before becoming a slave (I assume she gives up her morality with the package? Not be facetious here). Interesting idea, to me at least. Id like to see it discussed among those who consider themselves slaves. OK so I woreded my OP badly shoot me, at least then the death would be rather painless.. but all this flaiming does is prolong it and make me rather hot and pissy!!! Magik's cranky slave

slavejali -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 9:47:18 AM)
Apologies for you feeling pissy Majik, maybe you should take personal responsibility for your feelings ? [;)] Seriously, it just needed to be said.Considering your flame was part of your topic, it can be addressed within the replies content. The topic subject is a good one, however, to continue flaming someone else under the guise of creating another topic, just doesn't sit right with me.

MagiksSlave -> RE: Responsibility in slavery (11/15/2006 9:53:31 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: amayos quote: ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave So what I want to know is what you all think.. I personaly think its a copout and a testament [of] immaturity to think being a slave means you dont have to be responsable for your actions... but maybe thats just me. A slave's life is all about responsibility, in fact. The burden a slave shoulders is unconditional; perform a task and do it to perfection. There are few examples in our "land of the free" where interpersonal relations carry such dire consequences for shortfall. The cost of failure can be grim, depending upon the preference and disposition a Master or Mistress contains. Regarding unquestioning obedience, I believe that is the only way of a slave. Any significant concession, amendment or deviation from this calls to mind a different creature, which should thus be differently named. While a slave is to take his or her keeper's word as the greater law, it is crucial to reflect deeply upon entering this form of bondage, for as a slave, one is still subject to the law of the land, and in its eyes one is not removed from answering to it. Considering this, the importance of personal accountability in the choices one makes cannot be stressed enough. This is entirely different, however, than prostituting the idea of responsibility to legitimize a slave's disobedience. This is kind of sticky!! Since Slavery is NOT recognised by the law we as slaves have to bend to the law and sociaty first befor our Masters (this is how I see it anyway) We have a bigger greater responsability to the common good and beeing a slave does not give us the right to break laws just because Master said so!! Laws are in place to protect people from eachother (for the most part anyway)and sometimes even just from themselvs. it isnt right for a Master to demand his slave to do something wrong and if he does well I think in that case useing the word Master would be shameing that title. I dont know in my own eyes we are humans first bound by morality citisens (Sp)secent bound by the law of the land and slaves thrid bound by the law and obedience to our Masters (yea I know it sounds bad putting the Master third but this is the real world) We are seen by the world to have free will wather we like it or not and weather we want Master to take controll of every part of us we need to bend to what the majarity sees... OK I cant word how Im thinking again so none of this makes sence and it isnt really a complete thought so, sorry!! Magik's slave

MagiksSlave -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 9:55:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali Apologies for you feeling pissy Majik, maybe you should take personal responsibility for your feelings ? [;)] Seriously, it just needed to be said.Considering your flame was part of your topic, it can be addressed within the replies content. The topic subject is a good one, however, to continue flaming someone else under the guise of creating another topic, just doesn't sit right with me. I wasnt flaming her!!! Was simply explaining where I was comeing from with my posts!!! hell you can see it however you want to, I KNOW what my motives in posting this where!! Magik's slave

LordODiscipline -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 10:55:17 AM)
*So -* *If they choose and then their partner does something dastardly and has them "bury the body" - they screwed up/made a mistake because they chose the wrong partner?* *Wonderingly:* ~J quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali I think submissives.slaves have the responsibility to choose the right partner in the first place - after that, they submit.

daddysprop247 -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 11:01:52 AM)
FR: i obey my Master always, without question or hesitation. that is pretty much how it works. however i would still take full responsibility for my actions, even if i didn't truly feel myself responsible because i was simply obeying orders. sound confusing? an example would be, say my Master told me to rob a 7-11. i'd rob the 7-11 because that's what he told me to do. but if the police came and proceeded to arrest me, i wouldn't say anything about "Master told me to do it", i'd just say yes i robbed this store, do what you have to do. no, i'd feel no personal responsibility for robbing the store as i was only doing as i was told. but as far as authorities and anyone looking on could tell, i'd be accepting complete and solo responsibility.

slavejali -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 11:10:30 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline *So -* *If they choose and then their partner does something dastardly and has them "bury the body" - they screwed up/made a mistake because they chose the wrong partner?* *Wonderingly:* ~J quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali I think submissives.slaves have the responsibility to choose the right partner in the first place - after that, they submit. If they chose an axe murderer as a dom, they didn't take much personal responsibility for using wisdom in their actual choice of dom now hey..... Lets get real about this, we are in this game of domination and submission to actually submit, give over our authority, if we have to hold back at any point, it pretty much says we've chosen the wrong partner to begin with. (Just to clarify my word game..I see life itself as a game..I'm in no way meaning that I see our dominant/submissive relationships as a toy). Heck we have all these threads talking about how submissives are not weak etc....we have other ones where submissives are telling us that they would jump of a roof if their dom said jump...yet on the other hand, people are saying that they can't submit enough to just obey the person whom they have chosen to submit to because they are too smart for that? It just doesn't make sense to me... I really think in regards to submission/slavery, its in our initial choice of partners where the need for personal responsibility is more relevant. Sure...we also maintain personal responsibility in other areas. Example: I take personal responsibility towards my thoughts of pleasing Master and doing what he says. I take personal responsibility in doing my best towards my half of the relationship. I dunno...I'm talking from the base of a solid long term Master/slave relationship. I"m also pretty experienced in life itself...if we just talking about someone new to the game, or someone who has not committed themselves to a long term committed Master slave relationship the rules would be different (comon sense rules).

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 11:40:45 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imtempting I simply don't get this. Many people on these boards say subs or the so-called slaves should obey no matter what and now your saying they should disobey at times. Those same people say no matter what they should obey, as their dominant knows best. And if you do disobey does that mean you will get in trouble as maybe their dominant wanted them to suffer an injury as much as it is sad. I dont think A/anyone is saying to disobey... The point is that even though you are a slave you should still know right from wrong...you are ultimately responsable for yourself and using the excuse Master said so doesnt cut it. I personally have a problem with any Dom/me saying you must do as I say at all times...I expect obedience...not stupidity.

imtempting -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 12:29:06 PM)
You hear it all the time on the boards that these slaves say they are no limits etc, well a dominant should be more responsible for the commends if their wanting a no limit slave. Goes to proove my point that slavery does not exsist in the lifestyle. Its just a form of being submissive as a sub would not do it but a slave has it droned into their heads they must obey.

mnottertail -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 12:38:07 PM)
I am responsible, and take that charge to heart; commending my slaves. CommenderCody

LordVelvet -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 1:48:53 PM)
I have no doubts that MY slave would do as she is told with out hesitation but I would never put her in a position that would morally or legal implicate her. If you care about your sub why put them in harms way?

Squeakers -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 2:53:30 PM)
For me it would depend on what I was being asked to do. What was this slave asked to do? Most have their own set of limits.

LordODiscipline -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:03:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: slavejali If they chose an axe murderer as a dom, they didn't take much personal responsibility for using wisdom in their actual choice of dom now hey..... FBI Statistics indicate that murderers are usually in a rage when they kill. That the event is statistically a 'one time thing' (no matter what all the popular crime TV shows say) and that it is generally a 'spur of the moment', 'heat of passion' event. No one can accurately predict who will be a murderer as no one has yet been capable of mapping out all the pertubations and oddities humans are capable of creating in their lives and of themselves. So - stating that "The susbmissive made a bad choice of a master - and, was not responsible for burying the body - only of bad choice of dominants" is silly and (again) negates responsibility for actions taken that are morally and/or legally wrong. quote: Lets get real about this, we are in this game of domination and submission to actually submit, give over our authority, if we have to hold back at any point, it pretty much says we've chosen the wrong partner to begin with (Just to clarify my word game..I see life itself as a game..I'm in no way meaning that I see our dominant/submissive relationships as a toy). *I do not agree... and, that is an unfortunate turn of phrase.* quote: Heck we have all these threads talking about how submissives are not weak etc....we have other ones where submissives are telling us that they would jump of a roof if their dom said jump...yet on the other hand, people are saying that they can't submit enough to just obey the person whom they have chosen to submit to because they are too smart for that? It just doesn't make sense to me... People are weird that way - but, (and again) stating that "I am not responsible for... ...because my dominant told me to do it" is neiother legally or morally correct - and, simply does not wash (Ask the Manson Family - as one example of where this did not work) quote: I really think in regards to submission/slavery, its in our initial choice of partners where the need for personal responsibility is more relevant. I would not argue that it is an important choice - I only point out that something of this nature s not as predictable as the choice made there... that bad things DO happen to good people.. quote: Sure...we also maintain personal responsibility in other areas. Example: I take personal responsibility towards my thoughts of pleasing Master and doing what he says. I take personal responsibility in doing my best towards my half of the relationship. I dunno...I'm talking from the base of a solid long term Master/slave relationship. I"m also pretty experienced in life itself...if we just talking about someone new to the game, or someone who has not committed themselves to a long term committed Master slave relationship the rules would be different (comon sense rules). I am also talking from a similar place...so, please do not demean other opinions as though longevity and/or experience makes your opinion more valid. (That may not be how you meant it - but, that is how it is structured) ~J

MistressSassy66 -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:04:44 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imtempting You hear it all the time on the boards that these slaves say they are no limits etc, well a dominant should be more responsible for the commends if their wanting a no limit slave. Goes to proove my point that slavery does not exsist in the lifestyle. Its just a form of being submissive as a sub would not do it but a slave has it droned into their heads they must obey. I'm sorry but just because it doesnt exist in your reality doesnt mean it doesnt exist. I personally dont want a no limits slave....I want My slaves/submissives to do what I ask...that doesnt mean they have to be a "no limits" slave/submissive. A slave is My property...Its upto Me to make sure they are cared for. Its like a car...if you dont maintain it....it dies.

LordODiscipline -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:05:19 PM)
Because it is a situation where "they do" or "your ass is toast"? I dunno - but, since you left that open ended, I thought to fill in the blank... Now I would like "Words that begin with 'P'" for 500$ Alex! ~J quote: ORIGINAL: LordVelvet I have no doubts that MY slave would do as she is told with out hesitation but I would never put her in a position that would morally or legal implicate her. If you care about your sub why put them in harms way?

LordODiscipline -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:07:48 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: imtempting Its just a form of being submissive as a sub would not do it but a slave has it droned into their heads they must obey. OK - time for the leading question again: *And, (pray tell) what slaves are you referring to that would simply 'do as told' without hesitation and/or second thoughts?* *Wonderingly:* ~J

Kalira -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:18:08 PM)
quote: Lets get real about this, we are in this game of domination and submission to actually submit, give over our authority, if we have to hold back at any point, it pretty much says we've chosen the wrong partner to begin with. I disagree. There are some areas that I hold back in, yet, it does not in any way mean that I have chosen the wrong partner. These are areas that Master is well aware of, and let's me have my own space regarding them. His philosophy is to let me find my own way in that respect [:)] quote: I dunno...I'm talking from the base of a solid long term Master/slave relationship My late Master and I were together for a good many of years; and yet, even he allowed me some personal space; to hold back a bit if you will [:)] quote: You hear it all the time on the boards that these slaves say they are no limits etc, well a dominant should be more responsible for the commends if their wanting a no limit slave. I must be a bit slow tonight because I am having a hard time understanding what you are trying to say here. Are you saying that it's not the responsiblity of the submissive/slave but rather that of the one who issues the command only? edited to add: quote: *And, (pray tell) what slaves are you referring to that would simply 'do as told' without hesitation and/or second thoughts?* LMAO, hmm, I believe that he is referring to my post some time ago about the roof [8D]

LordVelvet -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:28:54 PM)
LoD, Point taken I did leave that door open. All that I am saying is that there are slaves that do as they are instrusted by their Master's but as Master's it is Our responsibility to keep them safe, at least it is that way for Me.

Squeakers -> RE: Responsability (11/15/2006 3:54:07 PM)
quote: All that I am saying is that there are slaves that do as they are instrusted by their Master's but as Master's it is Our responsibility to keep them safe, at least it is that way for Me. This is an excellant point. If the 'green sub' was doing something that was unsafe---it may be a defense however, if it just went against what others considered right or wrong that's a whole different ball game.

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