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Human behavior - 11/14/2006 11:22:34 PM

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I can't apologize enough for having this have something to do with smoking, Let me assure you this is a totally different perspective. If I actually get this out right it might be used by non-smokers getting people to stop.

Remember that song from the 60s, "way back, neadrathal" ? It's short enough to fit in my webspace if you can't get it. What I am saying is, just who was the first homosapien to smoke ? What promptd them to burn something, anything, and inhale the fumes ?

And then they figure out how to roll the stuff into cigars, and later, cagarettes, Some people just didn't like a pipe I guess.

Which brings us to pipes. The Native Americans had pipes, and we've all heard of the peacepipe. My NA friend tells me that the peacepipe was filled with tobacco, and I have never met a person of NA origin who didn't like pot, so I don't think I completely believe him. However that is not the subject of this post.

Focus on tobacco. Who the hell was the first person to fire a leaf or something up and decide to inhale the fumes ? Just what were they seeking ? a cure for a disease perhaps.

Wayback when, religion was mixed with medicine as well, and had it's expected effect. I suspect that someone who was in some sort of position of power was either getting high or partially asphyxiating themself and being in good spirits it was deemed that this was something good to do.

Let me make this perfectly clear, I want the root cause, I don't wan't to trim a tree. This is psychological some how, because it has it's grip on me. As I strive to understand myself better I always try to see both sides of an issue. This is no exception. Even though I smoke I can't stand it when someone smokes while I'm eating. I'd like to blow there head off more and more if the food is really good, it wrecks it for me.

Yet I smoke.

Now back to the core of this post. Just who was the first brainiac to pick up a leaf, invent fire or whatever, and decide to breathe in the fumes ? What would impel anyone to do that ? What form of instinct is this ? If it's not instinct it's some bullshit like religion or who knows.

What I am saying is I just can't really fathom how this practice got started. For something to become popular like this there would almost have to be some benefit, at least in the early times. If anyone knows, were there any effective medicines in the old day that were inhaled ?

At any rate, if I stop, I do it for monetary and political reasons. But exactly how I stop is in the air now. No patch, cold turkey, that is all I will accept.

To illustrate the process (unfortunately this lets you all know how radical I am) I intend to go to the root. Everyone thinks in terms of alleviating symptoms. I put forth the idea that smokers have just one little thing wrong in the brain. Smokers can be very smart, and pot smokers even smarter, but pot is different. Pot is almost an intoxicant, you feel good but it takes a hell of alot of it before you screw up, as long as you don't drive. I'm glad they discovered pot, really. But tobacco ?

Now folks, I am no stranger to mind control, directed dreaming and the like. I have stared at a candle for so long I could no longer tell if my eyes were open. But there is nothing supernatural here at all. It was my time to really think. Directed dreaming was very effective in removing most of my hostilities leftover. Believe me, if you can get total privacy and quiet, and watch an entire candle burn down when you have problems, it can help. Watching the flame gives you a visual focus, but I think it does a bit moe than that.

Anyway, if I decide to quit, I will quit. I don't need patches or help or pills nor that liquid cigarette they had on TV the other day. If I quit I will quit, and that is that. I won't do it because I care about you ot even myself, I just don't like where my money is going.

So who was first ? Who was the inventor of smoking ? If I can come forward from a new prespective I can beat this easily. Without that base it is harder. If I really wanted to quit I would envision forest fires and anoxia due to that. I would envision a native warrior sniffing a big tobacco leaf as his son dies from inhaling noxious funes.

Of course some of this is a psychological crutch, not all of it is.

It is still the money, with that $200 a month I could go to the track. Did pretty good there last time. I could do alot of other things too.

This last election made quitting look pretty sweet. But that is not the issue here.

My question is just who was the first one to smoke and obviously get others to do it ? It just doesn't figure, and that is part of the reason I might just quit.

So who really started it ?

T

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RE: Human behavior - 11/14/2006 11:46:36 PM

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As to who or which group was the very first to use it....we will never know exactly...in my most cliche phrase that me and my friends use..."studies show"...that Indians in the Americas (in North America and South America) were first to use it, probably for medicinal use, and religious use (like a form of shanamism)...all I know is that andean Indians like the Aymaras and others began smoking coca leaves....from times imemorial....and the North American indians as far as I know, they used the pipe for peace...smoking it that is. I think it was much later, in the 17th or 18th century that European settlers observed these things, traditions, etc....and took the habit from there, mass produced it, added other harmful by-products to it, and then it became popularized int he 19th century as cigarettes, maybe by famous people and by the macho types like the Marlboro man, lol. Anyways....I hope this at least partially answers your question.

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RE: Human behavior - 11/14/2006 11:50:57 PM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

My question is just who was the first one to smoke and obviously get others to do it ? It just doesn't figure, and that is part of the reason I might just quit.

So who really started it ?

T

Nicotine has been found in the body of German mummies from 3,000 years ago but no one has an explanation for this though it has been found in quite a few so its not a case of one being contaminated.

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RE: Human behavior - 11/14/2006 11:52:07 PM

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you may as well ask "Who first saw something come out of a birds ass and think, hey perhaps that would be good to eat."

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RE: Human behavior - 11/15/2006 4:57:37 AM

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Or who first smelled alcohol coming out of a yeast cell's ass and thought...

Nicotine is already more addictive than heroine. Additives to modern tobacco products make them more potent and addictive still. Making and selling cigarettes must be one of the most cynical occupations there is.

Here's an exhaustive account of the history of tobacco and smoking. http://www.tobacco.org/History/Tobacco_History.html

I love the Huron myth from the introduction:
In ancient times, when the land was barren and the people were starving, the Great Spirit sent forth a woman to save humanity. As she traveled over the world, everywhere her right hand touched the soil, there grew potatoes. And everywhere her left hand touched the soil, there grew corn. And when the world was rich and fertile, she sat down and rested. When she arose, there grew tobacco . . .

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RE: Human behavior - 11/15/2006 5:06:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

...So who really started it ?

T

An unanswerable question. But you can get a bit more information here.

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RE: Human behavior - 11/15/2006 6:03:16 AM

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That's actually a fairly simple question - before electricity, people had to burn stuff to create light and heat: probobly the main reason life expectancy doubled in the last century has much to do with the fact that most people do not now aquire emphysema from inhaling the byproducts of combustion from birth, and still one of the leading causes of early mortality in regions where cleaner forms of heating, lighting and cooking energy are unavailable.

Just a very small jump form there to imagine that in all that looking for stuff to burn, and then sitting around the resultant blaze staring into the flames for hours on end, day after day, week after week, century after century, someone eventually noticed that some kinds of smoke made them feel different.

Actually, I imagine somebody probobly tried to start a fire with some dried tobacco leaf, or a nice fat top once, and kneeled there hyperventilating while blowing and blowing, since in their natural state, these substances don't support combustion well, and tend to mostly smolder - and the rest is history.

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