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siamsa24 -> Firefox (2/8/2005 6:17:14 AM)

I recently downloaded the internet browser Firefox from Mozilla. I have to say that it is the best thing that I have ever done. It's so much faster, without the random errors and closing windows. I recommend it to everyone, it can be downloaded for free at mozilla.com



Moleculor -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 6:47:49 AM)

If you have random errors and closing windows in IE, chances are your computer is fucked up in some way by a virus, spyware, adware, or other nasty crap like that, and/or you haven't been doing proper maintenance like you should be.

Firefox may be more stable for you right now, but the fact that IE was crashing to begin with says something's wrong with your machine.



siamsa24 -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 8:01:47 AM)

Well, I updated my virus protection yesterday (I usually do it whenever there is an update), update my anti-spyware software daily and run both of them every day. I also run proper computer maintenance as I was taught when I bought my first computer.
Don't know what else I can do, maybe there is something that I am missing then.



Moleculor -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 8:09:18 AM)

You have installed everything critical from http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com right?



onceburned -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 8:09:31 AM)

Switching to Firefox is the best thing I have done on the computer in the past year.

(well, finding this site was better but saying Firefox was the second best thing just doesn't sound as good) [sm=tongue.gif]



happypervert -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 8:20:30 AM)

I recall Mozilla being a trademark of Netscape's; now it looks like a separate entity. Anyone know what the deal is with that?

So does Firefox work fine with this site? The reason I ask is that I use Netscape for everything else, but was sort of forced to use (Bill Gate's miserable excuse of a browser) IE for this site because some features don't work right with Netscape -- for example, reading collarme mail using Netscape shows HTML codes for line breaks and stuff instead of inserting the line breaks.



perverseangelic -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 9:29:02 AM)

Firefox is amazing. I get NO popups anymore.

The one thing, though, is that I need to open collarme in IE, because the tables/frames/appearance is all messed up in firefox. So, no it doesnt' work ok in firefox, but the browser works so well for everything else I just use IE for this site.

And I'm pretty sure Mozilla's independant from Netscape now, but not positive.



suberic -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 10:05:12 AM)

I'm on Firefox and the tables and everything for this site work just fine. I notice no problems.

Mozilla was around before Netscape. Both Netscape and IE were based on Mozilla's browser, but IE went another direction and left the Mozilla standard. Netscape is still based on Mozilla and Firefox is one of the umbrella of Mozilla's browsers.

What makes Mozilla and Firefox wonderful is that it's free and you can customize them both with "extensions" which load into the browser and work seamlessly with the system. It gives you more configuration and the ability to have things working the way YOU want them to work.

I've been using Firefox and their email program called Thunderbird for about a year now. I have not seen any problems nor have I found something that it won't do (with the exception of run Microsoft Updates through it, they insisit on IE for that.) and my spyware/adware/popups have dropped from a huge amount every week to barely anything at all.

I can't recommend this highly enough.



Atavist -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 10:37:17 AM)

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ORIGINAL: suberic

Mozilla was around before Netscape. Both Netscape and IE were based on Mozilla's browser, but IE went another direction


I may be wrong but I believe you have it reversed. Netscape was around long before Mozilla (until Micro$oft essentially killed them off and AOL bought them). Firefox and the Mozilla browser (and the latest Netscape browsers) are all based on the Gecco rendering engine. IE is not, nor has it ever been based on any Mozilla technology that I'm aware of.

Micro$oft likes to make their software proprietary, which leads to alot of problems with certain web sites that are designed to work with IE and not the internationally recognized standards.



happypervert -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 10:52:29 AM)

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Both Netscape and IE were based on Mozilla's browser

I think you are confusing Mozilla with Mosaic. One of Netscape's founders Mark Andreesen wrote the Mosaic while he worked at NCSA (National Center for Supercomputer Applications). Now, I always think of Mosaic as being the first browser, because I've never heard that CERN developed one even though that is where HTML was invented.






Atavist -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 11:01:14 AM)

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ORIGINAL: happypervert

quote:

Both Netscape and IE were based on Mozilla's browser


I think you are confusing Mozilla with Mosaic. One of Netscape's founders Mark Andreesen wrote the Mosaic while he worked at NCSA (National Center for Supercomputer Applications). Now, I always think of Mosaic as being the first browser, because I've never heard that CERN developed one even though that is where HTML was invented.


I mis-read your post happypervert - sorry.

I believe you are right, IE and the early Netscape versions were based on Mosaic. If you do a "Help/About" in IE you'll see the attribution. Mosaic was the first widely accepted graphical web browser but there are html browsers that pre-date Mosaic.



siamsa24 -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 11:40:01 AM)

Yes, my computer is set to update automatically, but I check about once every week or two for updates (last updated yesterday).



And y'all lost me on all that computer talk, I just let my computer science major friend help me with mine [:D]



Pavel -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 12:38:17 PM)

I'm a big fan of firefox, however it doesn't seem to like the chatrooms here at all, and tends to lock up. Anyone have any idea of what's up there?



ShadeDiva -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 7:01:41 PM)

They are java based.

Java chat rooms suck like that.

Maybe I can talk them into doing flash chatrooms instead of java.

Java just sucks up so much resources.

But you could check and make sure your java is up to date.

~ShadeDiva



NoPinkBalloons -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 7:27:32 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: happypervert
So does Firefox work fine with this site? The reason I ask is that I use Netscape for everything else, but was sort of forced to use (Bill Gate's miserable excuse of a browser) IE for this site because some features don't work right with Netscape -- for example, reading collarme mail using Netscape shows HTML codes for line breaks and stuff instead of inserting the line breaks.


I use firefox for collarme, and I get this problem too. It goes away when i hit "reply", so i just open the mail, hit reply, then read it. It's an extra step, but the benefits of tabbed browsing far outweigh the inconvenience of one extra click.



onceburned -> RE: Firefox (2/8/2005 7:52:59 PM)

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the benefits of tabbed browsing far outweigh the inconvenience of one extra click


Sherri, I have been using Firefox for several months and I still don't know what the advantage of tabbed browsing is. Why do you find it so helpful?



temptation -> RE: Firefox (2/9/2005 4:33:55 AM)

This is what my friend "AN-" told me on irc, and I cut it all up to make it into like a block of text and not a bunch of one sentence lines;


Firefox is an open source browser built on one of the original netscape platforms. Netscape is owned by AOL now. Firefox actually renders pages faster than IE, even though the data is recieved at the same rate (dependent on your connection). There are two large difference between the two browsers, Firefox and Internet Explorer, is the way they render box models. Although the html/xhtml-strict and transitional of a webpage might be valid, the browsers will often display them differently, providing different default padding and margins. The second is that Internet Explorer is based on a windows component (the same as Windows Explorer [windows key+e] and will 'launch' the first time much faster than Mozilla, simply becuase it is always running.

Much like Apple today, Firefox is the new streamlined "windows killer(internet explorer killer)" boasting better features, stability and security. The primary reason for all of these, being that it is not the dominant browser yet, and becuase of that it isnt worth developing exploits for. When the new windows is released, microsoft is releasing another proprietary browser which will probably blow Firefox out of the water, simply because their dev team is actually being paid. Expect browser exploits to appear on Firefox within the next year as people start to build sites with Firefox users in mind. Soon you'll see popups/browser hijacks/viruses etc.



NoPinkBalloons -> RE: Firefox (2/9/2005 5:10:31 AM)

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ORIGINAL: onceburned
I have been using Firefox for several months and I still don't know what the advantage of tabbed browsing is. Why do you find it so helpful?


Having only one browser window open is much more convenient for me. I'm pretty much ALWAYS multitasking, so bouncing back and forth between tabs is much easier than minimizing and maximizing several browser windows. I can see what pages I have open, what's finished loading, etc, without going to the toolbar to list them all (often there are at least 6 or 8 websites plus 3 or 4 other programs as well).

Also, with only one browser open instead of several, I'm using less resources and things move faster.



Atavist -> RE: Firefox (2/9/2005 8:46:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: temptation

When the new windows is released, microsoft is releasing another proprietary browser which will probably blow Firefox out of the water, simply because their dev team is actually being paid.


The "new" windows (Longhorn) isn't due out until 2007. If Micro$oft stays true to form, it'll more likely be 2008. IE has its advantages, primarily because Micro$oft is a monopoly and many web sites design their pages specifically to render with IE, not the internationally agreed upon standards (WC3). Firefox, Thunderbird, Apache, Linux and others are "Open Source" software, meaning they are designed and maintained by largely volunteers (kinda like CM) throughout the world. And they're also free. The question as to whether the proprietary development model is superior to the Open Source model (and results in better software) is up for debate and is being contested as we type.



onceburned -> RE: Firefox (2/9/2005 10:13:05 AM)

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ORIGINAL: NoPinkBalloons
I'm pretty much ALWAYS multitasking, so bouncing back and forth between tabs is much easier than minimizing and maximizing several browser windows. <snip>
Also, with only one browser open instead of several, I'm using less resources and things move faster.


Ah! Many thanks... I will have to start using tabs intentionally (instead of simply by accident)

My poor old computer needs to conserve as many resouces as possible. [sm=tongue.gif]



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