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Was Landis innocent? - 11/15/2006 6:52:23 PM   
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Wed Nov 15, 5:01 PM ET

The French anti-doping lab that tested American cyclist Floyd Landis' urine samples made an "administrative error" when reporting its findings on his backup "B" sample, the French newspaper Le Monde reported Wednesday.

The newspaper cited unnamed sources as saying the Chatenay-Malabry laboratory gave the wrong number in its report about Landis' second sample. Tests on the rider's two samples indicated that Landis had elevated levels of testosterone in his system when he won the Tour de France in July.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061115/ap_on_sp_ot/cyc_french_doping_lab_error

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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/15/2006 6:58:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		The lab is saying the typing error does not change the test results.  Bad French!


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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/15/2006 7:02:11 PM   
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The lab is saying the typing error does not change the test results.  Bad French!



I just hope we don't start seeing "Landis fries" popping up in restraunts lol.

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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/15/2006 7:05:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		This is a related story about more problems at the lab.  That lab has had major problems with people leaking test results and not following protocol.
But this looks like someone may have purposely faked some emails:

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2006/nov06/nov14news2




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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/15/2006 8:54:45 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think there are two answers to the question: "Was Landis innocent?"

1. No, he isn't innocent -- I bet that he did have synthetic testosterone in his system

2. Yes, he is innocent  -- I think he only used testosterone to get back up to his natural levels because it gets depleted from the effort of that race. This isn't like a baseball player using steroids to produce an athletic performance that otherwise would be above his ability; this is simply to maintain his performance at a level normal for him.

Yeah, I know that it is an endurance sport and other riders are subject to the same depletion of all their natural reserves; I think they're getting a "boost" too, and Floyd just happened to get caught because his effort on Stage 17 was so extraordinary that it threw his body out of whack even further.

Fact is, they don't use this stuff like baseball players to bulk up because that would kill them when trying to climb; he didn't test for having an abnormally high level of testosterone either -- that absolute level was well within limits. He failed a test that measures a ratio between testosterone and another hormone, and I think that is subject to fluctuations in a brutal event like the Tour de France. Basically, even if he did use testosterone I just don't think it is such a big deal.

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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/15/2006 11:10:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I still maintain that doping of some sort is necessary to put in a good showing in the Tour de France. Do I think Landis is still guilty? Yes. Do I think he is the only one? Hell no! All the top cyclists are at it, Landis is just guilty of getting caught.

Doping has been endemic in the Tour for fifty years and performances keep getting better, even the best sports science and sport psychology can't explain the increases in the performance levels and the organisers know it but they're under pressure to do something about those stupid enough or unfortunate enough to get caught.

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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/16/2006 4:57:02 AM   
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All the top cyclists are at it

I often hear commentators say stuff like this to indict cycling as if it is the only dirty sport or just the dirtiest. However, the economic incentive to dope is as high or higher in other sports; they just don't get caught because the testing is not as rigorous as it is in cycling. Cycling also has the most severe penalties for those who get caught - 2 year ban from the sport on the first offense; cycling also bans medical products such as cortisone which are commonly used in other sports.

So, even though cycling does have a rich history of doping, I believe having the strictest testing, most banned products, and most severe penalties are likely to make it the cleanest sport. Unfortunately, lax testing and low standards in other sports means nobody gets caught and creates the perception that those sports are clean.

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RE: Was Landis innocent? - 11/16/2006 6:02:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		I think cycling is probably the toughest of all competitive sports and I do know many people in the sport which is absolutely massive here but no one claims it is anywhere near clean.

Though I take your point on board, it isn't the only dirty sport, atheletics is full of dope and I know that from first hand experience.

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