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adaddysgirl -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 10:52:40 AM)

Well a campaign to offer options for people to participate in something that might be beneficial to them sounds good to me....but not at the expense of increased taxing. 
 
As far as cooking cheaply....well i raised 3 kids by myself and money sure was tight.  And i worked 2-3 jobs for quite a few years just to get by....which afforded me less time for cooking.  But early on, i found that neat little 'crock pot'....and what a godsend!  You could buy the cheapest cuts of meat and they would come out falling apart....and i could put it on in the morning and the kids could still eat even if i wasn't there.   Add a few veggies...and voila!  And you can throw chicken in there, a ham with potatoes, whatever...and you can season it whichever way you want.  (As for me, i don't even have salt in the house so other herbs worked just fine.)  Yes, i became the 'crock pot queen'....and still am!  [&:]
 
my 2 oldest kids will swear that they were raised on hot dogs, tuna fish, egss, macaroni and cheese, and cereal....lol...and neither of them are overweight.  And that might be true, but that was before  the crock pot  [:D]
 
DG



Level -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 12:27:24 PM)

Good post, DG. Crockpots are truly a wonder tool for those with little time, and you can make delicious and healthy meals with one.



popeye1250 -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 12:30:09 PM)

An enforced excercise program may work in Germany, they seem to like "organised" activities and uniforms.



Dtesmoac -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 2:43:44 PM)


Just in reply to your comment about providing healthier school meals; this was introduced in the UK from September this year, and guess what? The kids dont eat it, because they dont like it.

Instead they leave the premises to go to MacVomit or the fish and chip shop, or, and this was the stupidest thing; we had TV pictures of moms handing more over-salted fatty chemical laden crap through the school fence, to their kids, and taking orders from other kids to go and fetch them more of the same.

If you think its bad in the UK you should see what it's like in the US schools, we have just started having our son have packed lunches because he has put on so much weight since coming out to the US.
The earlier UK scheme to make children eat fruit each day was good in principle but the fruit they bought was of the cheapest nastiest type, net result was that lots of children associated fruit with pappy apples or past best or under ripe bananas. Jamie Olivers scheme is good but you need to increase the quality of the ingredients and decrease the cost to a pont where even the most ardent - "make them eat crap" parents start to use the system. At the same tiime you train the taste buds of the children. Also you make them stay in school during lunch time. They are their to be educated and health / nutrition education should be part of it. Minimal increase in tax - probably none at all in long run will result in less "social problems" at lunch times near to schools, reduced medical costs in the long run, a better direct way of providing child benefit to children, plus a generation ready to pass on the true taste of food to their children.  - o yes lets prosecute the parents handing the cips out for child abuse (this is tounge in cheek "I think" mmmm but then again !!!)



Dtesmoac -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 2:53:48 PM)

Hi popeye
An enforced excercise program may work in Germany, they seem to like "organised" activities and uniforms
 
now now......!! 
It doesn't have to be enforced you just make the options more favourable to undertake exercise - the YMCA system in the US provides cheap access to sports facilities but the process of getting to the Y is all about the car, and it seems a big contrast in the US between the sports mad youngsetsr and their overly large parents, simply engeneering the shopping system to promote walking between shops in the out of town areas rather than getting back in the car to drive between shops. At airports have less availability of wheelchairs and electric powered transport available for the obeise who are not medically disabled to promote more activity. There are many ways you can make using physical human power more attracive than mechanical - and none of them have to be dictatorial - net reult more excercise form many people & gradual reduction in weight. 
 
is obesity a disease  - quote  - "did jesus say to the leper hold on a minute mate I've just got to go and cure the fat chick eating all the pies........" 



adaddysgirl -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 3:54:24 PM)

Hey Level, not to get off topic here....but the rant thread we had posted on, just went to Mod 11.  What the heck does that mean?  lol
 
It was only 11 pages long and wasn't getting nasty or anything, did you think?
 
i've just never seen that before.

 DG



Level -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 4:00:59 PM)

Hi DG.......... ah, I'm not sure [:D]. It seemed okay to me, but not being a member of the Mod Squad, my opinion is as relevant as a horse turd lol.  For whatever reason, Mod 11 thought it crossed a line somehow, so she locked it up.
 
These issues come up on a regular basis, so, I'm sure it'll be back someday.



missturbation -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 4:01:03 PM)

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ORIGINAL: meatcleaver

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Why is it just obese people they are concentrating on?


Current levels of obesity cause more illness (cancer, heart desease, diabetes etc) and use more health service resources than any other condition and is streets ahead of smoking in its toll on human health. Obesity and smoking only compounds the problem.

With EU countries having universal healthcare it is sensible to keep the population healthy and reduce the costs for the health service, unlike the US where you pay for healthcare as and when it is used (or through insurance), it is in the insurers interest to keep the population healthy and not in the health service's interest where sick people are business.


I think you missed my point hun [:D]
The issue wasn't about smokers it  was about not just targetting obese people but those who suffer health issues from any type of bad diet. I dont know about the states but we have an awful problem over here with bulimia, anorexia and people using convenience food which isnt particularly healthy. I just think if they are going to do this all health issues caused by bad diet should be addressed.



adaddysgirl -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 4:06:43 PM)

Well thanks for the answer anyway.  

Edited to say:  i don't think that was very democratic of her  [sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif]

DG



meatcleaver -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 4:07:32 PM)

The point is to aim at the general population and not people with specific dietry problems who need to seek specialist help. I'm led to believe that conditions like bulimia and anorexia are as much psychological problems that manifest themselves in dietry conditions rather than specifically dietry problems at their root.



missturbation -> RE: Europeans OK anti-obesity charter (11/18/2006 4:31:20 PM)

The point is to aim at the general population
The general population are not all obese.
not people with specific dietry problems who need to seek specialist help.
A lot of obese people have specific dietary problems and need specialist help.
I'm led to believe that conditions like bulimia and anorexia are as much psychological problems that manifest themselves in dietry conditions rather than specifically dietry problems at their root.
A lot of obese people will tell you they have problems due to psychological difficulties too. My friend will tell you shes a bulimic who forgets to be sick and yeah she laughs it off but she comfort eats because she is fat - never ending circle.
Me personally i just don't eat, i hate food in my mouth, i hate feeling im being watched when i eat. The maximum i eat is once a day and the only reason i'm not anorexic is because i don't vomit it back up. Believe me though if i could but i cant due to the horrid taste vomiting causes i certainly would bring it up. Is that not a dietary problem that could do with assistance too?
Just because a dietary problem is not immediately spottable doesnt mean that it doesnt exist or need addressing.
 



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