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vital99 -> Does this seem silly?? (11/16/2006 11:53:47 PM)

I would like to be in the hands of a extremely strict mistress or master.  For my training I would want to be completly controlled, and trained in instant obedience including having clothing and food choosen for me.  I would want it that I never have the chance to say yes or no to any activity, and everything in my life  is controlled completly for me including bedtime, permission to go to the toilet, any leisure time (eg privilages: watching tv, time out  etc).
Part of this though would include me progressively being lead into full time wearing of female clothing, starting off by never ever being allowed to wear pants agian, wearing skirts daily and progressively made to wear panty girdles, and later on corsets with increased tighting of the laces as directed by mistress, starting with a set period of time each day, and this would be increased weekly.   Also it would include the wearing of hoisery on a daily basis without fail ever, and to learn the art of grooming and how to apply full cosmetics which would over a period of time become compulsory daily wearing.
Some form of regulary monthly period type pains and the wearing  of sanitary products would aslo be a good idea to help me understand what women go through in their lives.
Also it would include such things as having to wear full business dress (say a dress suit, and perhaps gartered stockings daily as well as heels full time, short mini skirts and having to grow breasts to whatever size mistress demanded, growing my hair to whatever length commanded to and learning to  wear brassieres and other lingere as instructed.
I would expect to recieve instrcutions on how to care for clothing , hoisery and lingere, as well as laundring and ironing them as well as mistress's clothing to.
I like the thought of having to wear things like that no matter how hot or inconveinient no matter what ,or suffer the consequences of disobedience.
What do you mistresses think of this???



StacyCat -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/16/2006 11:56:30 PM)

And, what does the Mistress get out of this?

there are a lot of men out there with fantasies like this, and reading it, its all about you.  what are you going to offer her?



AquaticSub -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 12:10:43 AM)

Good point. I believe there are dommes who enjoy this womanizing of subs but it is all very focused on the sub and no mention of what he will give to the domme. All relationships require equal give and take.



firefey -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 12:42:48 AM)

what you are describing is called forced feminization, forced fem for short.  and it is a very common male fantasy.  there have been several threads on this of late, and the general concensus has been that if you want to serve a mistress, and this is one of your kinks, you are going to have to look very hard at what you offer outside of this one thing.  it is a great deal of work for a mistress to do, feminizing a man to that extent, and the sissy gets to just go along for the ride.  there needs to be something you add to the relationship other than just being a doll to dress up and play with.  are you an amazing cook?  good at housework (not just dressing up and prancing with the feather duster)?  a devout masochist?  manicures, pedicures and massages?  what are your talents as a submissive, what are the things that would enhance the life of a domme enough to reciprocate in this fashion?

do i think it's silly?  not at all.  not my cup of tea, but not silly.  the key here is presenting this in such a way that you get what you want while meeting the needs of your mistress.  and making this all about her without loosing out on what you want.  sissifytoserve, while he can be really caustic on the boards, has some pretty deffinite oppinions on this subject.  he's even right from time to time.  ;)  cloudboy is another strong sissy with some deffinite oppinions.



LadyEllen -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 4:43:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: vital99

, and to learn the art of grooming and how to apply full cosmetics which would over a period of time become compulsory daily wearing.

Applying make up is not that difficult vital - you could get in some practice? What you have to contend with though is facial hair - which by late afternoon will be showing through. You could shave twice a day of course - btw, you have to shave down and up with a quality blade (no disposables) to get it right - carefully as skin irritation will also show through as well. Always use moisturiser every night, to keep irritation down. Two applications to the area youre shaving is a good idea. Any nicks from the razor - get your routine organised so you brush your teeth after shaving; the stuff in toothpaste helps dry up smaller nicks and stops the bleeding.
 
Alternatively, if you have the time, money and pain threshold, you could have it all removed by laser/ electrolysis. It takes over a year though, and is expensive (a full course of laser hair removal = around USD 6000-00 at UK prices at least), and whatever anyone says, can be painful - a bit like scratching a sunburn! (elecrolysis is more like a bee sting). You would also need to check what equipment is being used, as most of it is intended for use on softer, female hair and might be ineffective on coarser male facial hair.

and having to grow breasts to whatever size mistress demanded, growing my hair to whatever length commanded to and learning to  wear brassieres and other lingere as instructed.

You wish to grow breasts? About the only way to do this, is to undertake a regimen of hormonal treatments; female hormones (such as the contraceptive pill, but at two or three per day rather than one, as is normal for contraceptive use), plus a testosterone suppressant (androcur and others). Castration to reduce testosterone, plus female hormone treatment is another way to go.
 
WARNING - such a regimen puts heavy strain on the liver and can lead to blood clots and heart damage, as well as weight gain and bone problems. The changes are irreversible (you will develop genuine female breast structure), the breast development is often limited and there are significant other physical changes all over the body - fat deposits are altered, musculature diminishes etc as the body adopts a more female appearance. NO ONE SHOULD MESS ABOUT WITH HORMONAL TREATMENTS, WITHOUT CONSULTING THEIR DOCTOR and undergoing regular blood testing.
 
Perhaps the heaviest cost to a male undertaking such a treatment though, is that he will largely lose his ability to have an erection, his production of sperm will stop and he will no longer be able to ejaculate. Orgasm remains possible however. This is important to take into consideration for those wishing to undergo forced feminisation, as the desires which made such feminisation so alluring will diminish and cease as such a treatment progresses, leaving the male with permanent changes to his body as well as the risk of psychological damage associated with such a programme.

E 




windchymes -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 6:41:58 AM)

Oh, dammit, you make everything sound so realistic and un-erotic!!!!  [&:]




MstrssPassion -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 6:49:28 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vital99
What do you mistresses think of this???


I think that ideas like this make for great fantasy & those who wish to perpetuate this for real are seeking a way to remove themselves from all source of responsibility of caring for their existence. In other words they think by doing this they will be kept pets & do nothing but be some sort of living toy.

HA!

First of all the woman that would be able to pull this off would have to be independently wealthy since she would have no time to work & have to be responsible for both herself & this toy's entire living expenses, not to mention medical procedures & needs.

Hmmmm... a woman with that measure of wealth will most likely wish to spend this money on herself or the sexy pool boy.

Yet, if this is your goal, more power to you. Be prepared for the frustration you will experience due to the amount of rejections you will discover along the way. As with any type of specialized kink, to bring this to fruition it will be an extremely long & difficult path.



kc692 -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 8:21:24 AM)

I think I smell ad.......if not, everyone has different kinks here, that's why we are here, and noone's are silly. 



Nikolette -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 8:29:11 AM)

I'm sorry my eyes glazed over in boredom.


Now lets start a new thread and ask: If something is silly, does it bore one to death? If it WERE silly... wouldn't it be more entertaining. Or by silly did you mean boring and fixated?



empresschaos -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 9:04:58 AM)

No, I don't think it's silly. Nor do I think there's anything wrong with a submissive wanting to submit in a series of specific ways. If you're single for long enough, certainly you've got plenty of time to cook up your ideal fantasy. Personally, I had a (male) roommate who, on a lark, asked me to put makeup on him one time. It was totally, totally hot, and we actually slept together a few times, but only when he was dressed as a woman. I find tranny boys super duper cute, and hopefully vital is able to find a domme that does, also.

For me, I wouldn't want to give anybody bruises that they weren't going to cherish like love letters, nor would I want to assign housework or tasks in general that the submissive wasn't going to appreciate being assigned. I get sick of getting random emails about "no limits subs" or "true subs". I think everyone has some needs they need fulfilled in a relationship, and if they think they don't, they simply haven't done enough self examination yet. Good luck to ya, Vital!



theRose4U -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 9:40:19 AM)

The way I'm reading it you have everything you want laid out in specific detail, what do you need a domme for?



GoddessDustyGold -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 9:57:44 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: vital99

I would like to be in the hands of a extremely strict mistress or master.  For my training I would want to be completly controlled, and trained in instant obedience including having clothing and food choosen for me.  I would want it that I never have the chance to say yes or no to any activity, and everything in my life  is controlled completly for me including bedtime, permission to go to the toilet, any leisure time (eg privilages: watching tv, time out  etc).
Part of this though would include me progressively being lead into full time wearing of female clothing, starting off by never ever being allowed to wear pants agian, wearing skirts daily and progressively made to wear panty girdles, and later on corsets with increased tighting of the laces as directed by mistress, starting with a set period of time each day, and this would be increased weekly.   Also it would include the wearing of hoisery on a daily basis without fail ever, and to learn the art of grooming and how to apply full cosmetics which would over a period of time become compulsory daily wearing.
Some form of regulary monthly period type pains and the wearing  of sanitary products would aslo be a good idea to help me understand what women go through in their lives.
Also it would include such things as having to wear full business dress (say a dress suit, and perhaps gartered stockings daily as well as heels full time, short mini skirts and having to grow breasts to whatever size mistress demanded, growing my hair to whatever length commanded to and learning to  wear brassieres and other lingere as instructed.
I would expect to recieve instrcutions on how to care for clothing , hoisery and lingere, as well as laundring and ironing them as well as mistress's clothing to.
I like the thought of having to wear things like that no matter how hot or inconveinient no matter what ,or suffer the consequences of disobedience.
What do you mistresses think of this???


Bold emphasis Mine.

Yes, I do think the entire attitude is silly.  Unless you find a Lady who is completely turned on by all of your demands, there is nothing in here that indicates to Me any obedience.  You have, simply and very clearly, laid out your life fantasy, what you expect and what should be included to make you happy. 
Been there...guess what?  Did not do it.
Sounds like a lot of work to Me.  You want to be dominated in your way, according to your schedule.  How much easier could you make it for your Mistress?  Why don't you just give Her a schedule of what you need each day so you can progress, at your comfort level, in your personal fantasy?
This is not a slave.  This is a boy dictating (as happens so often) how he wants his life, and then wondering why he can't find anybody to fit his bill.
It's easy to be obedient when you have already set out the strict guidelines for what activities you wish to be obedient to. 
Are you having fun yet?

Edited to add:  Please reread your post.  You say you wish to be completely controlled, but you then spell out how you wish to be controlled.  Example: You say you want to have your clothing chosen, but you then go on to dictate what clothing should  "chosen" for you.



Lashra -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 10:39:05 AM)

It seems you are looking for someone to micromanage you which isn't everyone's cup of tea. I personally do not like to micromanage as I have done in it the past and it becomes too much work. I also found in that particular relationship that he stopped thinking for himself after awhile expecting Me to do it all for him and when he HAD to make a decision he simply couldn't without going into a panic. Now he may have been the odd duck but it has really kept Me away from micromanagement.

Alot that you have put into your post really is not that uncommon with the exception of the crossdressing. I myself have no problem with crossdressing in fact I think it is fun. Many of the "requests" you are making are pretty normal in many D/s or M/s relationships. The problem is you are dictating what you want a Mistress to do and that is a big NONO. Once you get into a relationship you will not have a say, SHE will be the one making the decisions and you can either obey or She will toss you to the curb.

Everyone has fantasies and you are entitled to yours, but what you need to do is find someone who shares them. It sounds like you need a firm Mistress who can inspire you to obey without it being a game. After all you are not a game player, right?

~Lashra



Mikal -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 10:59:01 AM)

I'm with Lashra... sounds like you want to dictate how your life is micromanaged by another. I personally don't micromanage other peoples lives... I have a dog (Princess) who loves me unconditionally no matter what I look like or what mood I'm in, and I micromanage her life (she is soooooooo cute in dresses & bows *sappy grin*). She doesn't inflict the emotional toll that a human would, and she isn't nearly as fickle (with the exception of her food). IMNSHO, you simply can't compete... [;)]  But, that is just my opinion.



LaTigresse -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 11:44:58 AM)

It looks to me like you can do all of this for yourself.

I started reading and, like Nikolette, got bored. It's a do-me shopping list. It says nothing about what you will do for your mistress/master, but what you want them to do for you. Especially when I got to the line that started with "I expect....."  Bad idea, bad bad bad idea.




empresschaos -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 4:56:22 PM)

He does say in his profile that he's a good cook, and loves doing housework... I think it's kind of sweet that he has this huge, built up fantasy. The right domme could have a lot of fun with him, and some subs just are a shit-ton of work. But if she gets off on his feminization process, she probably won't mind too terribly much. [;)]



vital99 -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 6:50:27 PM)

Thank all of you who read and replied.
Perhaps I didn't present this in the best way, not good at that perhaps.  i am genuene in wanting this thought.
Good points about what a mistress would get in return.
I would do all the housework, washing and ironing of all clothing for us, give massages and do oral on mistress, help with the cleaning, cooking and washing of dishes etc, offer obedience and devotion, and allow any form of cock and ball tourture (until they are removed that is), and other forms of bondage and any discipining and correction mistress believes I woud need. I would also contribute to expenses by working and paying my share as a new wardrobe and cosmetics etc would not be cheap, and hoisery needs to be replaced frequently which would happen if i was wearing full time as i hope would be the case under mistress.
Perhaps in suggesting how I would be eased into dressing and living fulltime as a female (the little things like learning to wear heels all day at work, changing ones sanitary pads or tampons etc), some of you took it as an arbitary sign instead of a suggestion as to how to go about it. There would be no doubt that I would be under the control of mistress, and that things would proceed exacatly as she wanted to and at what speed mistress decided is appropiate.
If I wasn't ready to say wear a particular bra she choose, and it was an underwire bra that sticks into me which i detest, to bad, mistress has choosen clothing for me and I would wear it regardless, just as i would wear a thick pair of say black 70D pantyhose and thick winter skirt and top on a very hot day if mistress choose that for me as i gave her the responsibility  so i must suffer any consequences arising form that decision.  End of story there.  Mistress commands, I obey or else.  It is called obedience.
And no - not everything is laid out as one mistress suggested : it was meant to be a starting point to discuss this proposal with a mistress prior to us committing both of us to this situation.  Mistress would decide what the rules are: after all she would be the one in charge after all.
And as to work after transforming to a female: I woud like to be a hoisery/lingerie saleswoman. (something that i have always wanted to do as i have a passion for pantyhose and nice quality lingerie [not just underware] ).  Does that sound silly to ????
Any further thought mistress's ????



SweetDommes -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 7:01:18 PM)

My opinion is, if we wanted a femsub, why wouldn't we just get one and save ourselves the time and expense of turning a malesub into one?



LadyEllen -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 7:07:55 PM)

In the end vital, the sad and sorry truth is, that one's success in transition in living and working in everyday society as a female, is wholly dependent on how well one passes as female. If one doesnt pass, then one will have nothing but problems, by which I mean exclusion, abuse, harassment and violence. You really do need to think this all through if thats what youre planning. I also suggest you experiment with it now, and honestly see whether you could achieve what you aspire to, and whether this is what you want - bearing in mind your sexual drive will decrease if you go for castration, chemical or surgical. There are all too many guys around who have been through full sex reassignment who later regretted it, because the fetishistic desires that made them want to become female, (rather than genuine gender identity disorder), disappeared afterwards; you have mentioned castration only, rather than SRS, but its largely the same result.

And I can tell you now; those who will read you as having a male background will be mostly women and children - however well you pass. It is therefore unlikely you will ever fulfil your dream of working in a lingerie store.

There is also a lot more to passing as a woman, than clothes and cosmetics - there is the voice, the mannerisms, the posture, the movement and so on. To avoid problems in everyday society, you would have to be perfect in all of these. And then there is your (fetishistic I have to say) desires in terms of clothing; to be frank, you would stand out a mile dressed like that, and attract problems. The key to avoiding problems is looking right, and blending in, which I'm afraid means dressing like the natural women do.

E



MstrssPassion -> RE: Does this seem silly?? (11/17/2006 9:06:20 PM)

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