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champagnewishes -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/18/2006 2:05:29 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross
With DCS and I, the priority is on BEING TOGETHER.  And by “being” I mean that in the most basic literal as well as the highest vibratory spiritual way.  Whatever we happen to BE is secondary to that.  Whatever the energy/emotions/moods are flowing, we simply flow with them. 



You've said some pretty amazing things in the past LA....but I have to say, this tops them all.  I sometimes wonder if people get so caught up with the "how" we do it, they lose sight of the "why" we do it.




nikaa -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/18/2006 6:24:10 AM)

starshinedowned,

Let me make it clear, that in no way was I trying to change your opinion or way of thinking. You have a right to your personal opinion, as flawed as it may be. You even have a right to express that opinion the way you wish. However, when you publicly express a flawed or out right wrong opinion as fact people will call you on it.
 
Furthermore, stating your attack on a person's life choices as an opinion does not change the fact that that is what you are doing and in my opinion that action says ALOT about your human nature.




Code99 -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/18/2006 7:20:20 AM)

It is only the dynamic Y/you both choose that matters.
                                                          MsD




Sirandlittle1 -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/18/2006 3:22:23 PM)

I read this response, in either here or literotica, unfortunately, ive lost who wrote it, suffice to say, these are not my words, but they are my thoughts, on how we change as people.
How we do things, is irrelevant, why we do them is. I firmly believe, that a mercurial myriad of styles co-exhist in me also.

Every now and then, when that fleeting thought passes through my mind, that I may want to go back to Switching instead of Domming, I consider making a new profile.
And then I think to myself… well, that would actually be kind of dumb and a lot of work for me.

I see it as a matter of courage. I need to have the courage to say "Even though my past 600 posts have been a strong stance on what I am as a Dominant, I am willing to admit and accept change."

For the most part, I live an extremely flexible life, and lifestyle. Those who enter my circle, need to be willing to accept that.
I’ll give damn near anything a whirl. I was a sub, a slave, a Switch, a Domme. I did Pro-Domming, lecturing, created munch groups, and organized events. I’ve "dropped out" of the lifestyle for 2 years at a time. I’ve been a teacher, a writer, a waitress. I’ve worked in the judicial system. I’ve been booked in the judicial system. I’ve been a delinquent, and an A+ student. I’ve been homeless, college educated, a battered woman, and a spokesperson.
If someone happens to meet me during one phase of my life, they need to understand and grasp the concept that there is more to me than what they see in front of them. The ones who "get it" stick around. The ones who want to hold on to the fantasy that what they are currently seeing is all I’ve ever been and all I’ll ever be, tend to wash away rather quickly.

The boy currently in my life met me when I was 25 pounds lighter, Pro-Domming for good money, trying to start up my own vanilla business, and heading back to graduate school. He watched me learn new things about myself and make a decision to give up wealth for morals. He’s been there the whole time as my plans for graduate school went down the drain. He’s watched me suffer health problems to the point that there are days I barely make it out of bed, I vomit in my sleep, and I have zero inclination to ever pick up a flogger again. He’s learned about my past achievements, some unbelievable. He’s learned my past mistakes, some unforgivable.
And he’s stuck by my side.

I can look back at people who met me during my "good times" and once the bad times hit, they were no where to be found. Once they learned of my past mistakes, they saw me in a different light. I’ve met submissives who can’t swallow the concept that I’ve been victimized. I’ve met Dominants who couldn’t swallow the concept that I’ve been a leader.
I’ve really found that people who want to fit me in a box based on what I’ve said in the past, or written in the past, or done in the past, get very frustrated when they realize there is no box, and they quickly go about their way.
The people who take the time to get to know the core of who I am, usually stick around for the long haul. At worst, they might view me as a little bit flaky when it comes to trying new things.
But they are the ones who really know me best. They are there through thick and thin. They are flexible to the changes that come and go in life.
And that’s what I’m looking for in relationships. Not someone who judged me based on some articles I wrote.

If anyone recognises this piece, please inform me of who the author is.
littleone




sophia37 -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/18/2006 5:47:25 PM)

Like what? You would care what others think of your relationship? Be happy that youre happy. Ignore the rest of us please. xoxo Sophia




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/20/2006 8:49:49 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: champagnewishes
You've said some pretty amazing things in the past LA....but I have to say, this tops them all.  I sometimes wonder if people get so caught up with the "how" we do it, they lose sight of the "why" we do it.

Thanks Champagne, I really appreciate it.




MasterFireMaam -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/20/2006 8:57:52 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I was thinking today that a lot of people get the impression that because DCS and I are so casual and comfortable with switching between eachother, that a lot of people form the misperception that we aren’t “serious” or “deep” with our dynamic.

It’s an understandable misperception and I don’t know that I can really say/type anything to be persuasive enough to the contrary.  I know it’s condescending to say “If you’re a switch, you get it” but I know even some switches get this misperception and plenty of non-switches don’t.  It’s more of “If you get it, you get it” type of thing.

With DCS and I, the priority is on BEING TOGETHER.  And by “being” I mean that in the most basic literal as well as the highest vibratory spiritual way.  Whatever we happen to BE is secondary to that.  Whatever the energy/emotions/moods are flowing, we simply flow with them. 

The energy is still intense, and we are devoted to eachother.  When I am his mistress, he is my boy- as much as any non-switching relationship would be.  And the same is true when I wear his collar.

We are utterly devoted to eachother.  How we happen to express that devotion is an expression of the moment.  In the way that a couple can be deeply connected and intimate by sharing the Sunday paper in their PJs on the couch just as much as they can with cuffs and knives and masks and tears.

I never thought I’d be very comfortable calling myself “a dominant.”  But then I never thought I’d be very comfortable calling myself a “woman” and dressing in women’s pretty clothes either.  But now I feel more MYSELF than ever before.  If people make the misperception that I am confused or less “serious” because who I am is expressed differently from the traditional ways…I can only hope they learn to feel the energy, not rely on their former standards.


A lot of people see my girl and I as very casual...and sometimes assume she is the Master. We laugh and cut up...and she walks on step ahead to the left of me. This put me in the "classic" position of a slave in reference to her. To us, that's their stuff, not ours.

Isn't it nice that sometimes, we can have moment of true clarity about our lives? We are simply Real and capably of being just who we are.

Margery Williams, The Velveteen Rabbit
"...Real isn't how you are made," said the Skin Horse. "It's a thing that happens to you..."

"Does it hurt?" asked the Rabbit.

"Sometimes," said the Skin Horse, for he was always truthful."When you are Real, you don't mind being hurt...It doesn't happen all at once," said the Skin Horse. "You become. It takes a long time. That's why it doesn't often happen to people who break easily, or have sharp edges, or who have to be carefully kept. Generally, by the time you are Real, most of your hair has been loved off, and your eyes drop out and you get loose in the joints and very shabby. But these things don't matter at all, because once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand."


Master Fire





Lieren -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 10:38:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: starshineowned

Rather sky dive and put this girls life in the hands of a person thats a instructor and does it everyday versus a person that had a few lessons and occassionally does it for fun but feels that qualifys them to call themselves a instructor.



And that line right there is why I shy away from most BDSM environments.

I like the switches here... I think I'll hang around for a while :)




Lorelei115 -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 12:25:56 PM)

We'll be glad to have ya! *grin*




BitaTruble -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 12:50:12 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: sophia37

Like what? You would care what others think of your relationship? Be happy that youre happy. Ignore the rest of us please. xoxo Sophia


Um.. huh?

Like what?? What?

Celeste




LotusSong -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 12:56:25 PM)

I will  say this.. I've never seen a switch that didn't eventually settle into one or the other roles.  And I'll be so bold as to ad that bisexuals eventually do show a preference. 




MmakeMme -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 1:04:20 PM)

Hey Lotus. ~smiling~ I agree.

I am bisexual and preferred women for awhile ... but I think it was the newness of the differences in the experience. I much prefer men and have not sought out a female partner in a great number of years, although it makes for good fantasies. Interestingly, I am never dominant with men and would only be submissive with women if a Dom ordered it to be so.




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 1:22:03 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
I will  say this.. I've never seen a switch that didn't eventually settle into one or the other roles.

How long are you defining "eventually"?  I know a few who are well over their decade mark and still going strong.

quote:

And I'll be so bold as to ad that bisexuals eventually do show a preference. 

Preference is meaningless in this case.  They still ARE a bisexual.  I could prefer being a slave 99 relationships out of 100- I'd still consider myself a switch.  I know a slave who considers herself a lesbian, and yet has a male master and greatly enjoys sex with him.  She considers that one exception to prove her rule.




LotusSong -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 1:25:24 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
I will  say this.. I've never seen a switch that didn't eventually settle into one or the other roles.

How long are you defining "eventually"?  I know a few who are well over their decade mark and still going strong.

quote:

And I'll be so bold as to ad that bisexuals eventually do show a preference. 

Preference is meaningless in this case.  They still ARE a bisexual.  I could prefer being a slave 99 relationships out of 100- I'd still consider myself a switch.  I know a slave who considers herself a lesbian, and yet has a male master and greatly enjoys sex with him.  She considers that one exception to prove her rule.


Well what can I say.. you are just 'One Stop Shopping", aren't cha? :)




Nuke718 -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 2:09:52 PM)

Well, this little thread has wandered all over...
But back to the point, I feel for you LA.  The longer I spend in the lifestyle the harder it is to expalin "what I am" to other people.  Heck you are one of the folks who made me realize that the standard definitions some people use just don't work in my life. 

I am a switch, to some that means pser, opportunist, faker, or unsure.  And that's all without changing roles inside a relationship LoL.  I can see where you are gonna have trouble with people pigeonholing or marginalizing you.

BUT... if somebody doesn't get you, then they are probably not gonna be in a relationship with you anyway.  So stay true to your relationship(s) and follow your energy you dominant little browncoat slave you!

N




angharad -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 2:44:02 PM)

I absolutely love the rabbit and horse extract.  Thank you for posting it. 

LA I'm with all the other folks who say enjoy what you have.  You have the sense to appreciate it and not let it get boxed up and labelled. If it's not broke it dont need fixing.  Some people just have to tamper.....




Wildfleurs -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 3:23:58 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross

I was thinking today that a lot of people get the impression that because DCS and I are so casual and comfortable with switching between eachother, that a lot of people form the misperception that we aren’t “serious” or “deep” with our dynamic.

It’s an understandable misperception and I don’t know that I can really say/type anything to be persuasive enough to the contrary.  I know it’s condescending to say “If you’re a switch, you get it” but I know even some switches get this misperception and plenty of non-switches don’t.  It’s more of “If you get it, you get it” type of thing.

With DCS and I, the priority is on BEING TOGETHER.  And by “being” I mean that in the most basic literal as well as the highest vibratory spiritual way.  Whatever we happen to BE is secondary to that.  Whatever the energy/emotions/moods are flowing, we simply flow with them. 

The energy is still intense, and we are devoted to eachother.  When I am his mistress, he is my boy- as much as any non-switching relationship would be.  And the same is true when I wear his collar.

We are utterly devoted to eachother.  How we happen to express that devotion is an expression of the moment.  In the way that a couple can be deeply connected and intimate by sharing the Sunday paper in their PJs on the couch just as much as they can with cuffs and knives and masks and tears.

I never thought I’d be very comfortable calling myself “a dominant.”  But then I never thought I’d be very comfortable calling myself a “woman” and dressing in women’s pretty clothes either.  But now I feel more MYSELF than ever before.  If people make the misperception that I am confused or less “serious” because who I am is expressed differently from the traditional ways…I can only hope they learn to feel the energy, not rely on their former standards.


I read through both pages and thought about not posting because well.. I'm not a switch.  But I get where starshine is coming from, although I think linguistically the way she expresses it for me is a bit difficult to completely understand.  But from my perspective I feel that if the energy is shifting to different dynamics then the amount of time and energy that can be put into one dynamic is not as much as if you have one dynamic.  If you have a couple that is going from mommy/little boy to male dom/female submissive to pony girl/trainer there is a finite amount of time and energy that can be expended towards those dynamics.  If a couple were just  male dom/female submissive theres also just a finite amount of time or energy, but all things being equal their time and energy will be more than the couple thats going between multiple dynamics. 

It doesn't mean they can't be devoted emotionally to each other it also doesn't mean they can't be committed or serious about their relationship, but I can't really see how they'd be serious or committed about the dynamic if the energy is constantly shifting.  For some people (myself included) if the energy is constantly shifting then it means that perhaps the dynamic isn't that serious.  I don't think people have to be serious (or focused) about their dynamic to be in the BDSM scene, however I don't think I'd internally or personally consider someone slave if the energy was constantly shifting within the dynamic where they were not always a slave to the person (at the risk of repeating myself I mean that if someone is able to of their own violition shift out of the place of being someones slave to being over them then I cannot consider them a slave).

C~




Lieren -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 3:35:36 PM)

quote:


ORIGINAL: Wildfleurs
I read through both pages and thought about not posting because well.. I'm not a switch.  But I get where starshine is coming from, although I think linguistically the way she expresses it for me is a bit difficult to completely understand.  But from my perspective I feel that if the energy is shifting to different dynamics then the amount of time and energy that can be put into one dynamic is not as much as if you have one dynamic.  If you have a couple that is going from mommy/little boy to male dom/female submissive to pony girl/trainer there is a finite amount of time and energy that can be expended towards those dynamics.  If a couple were just  male dom/female submissive theres also just a finite amount of time or energy, but all things being equal their time and energy will be more than the couple thats going between multiple dynamics. 

It doesn't mean they can't be devoted emotionally to each other it also doesn't mean they can't be committed or serious about their relationship, but I can't really see how they'd be serious or committed about the dynamic if the energy is constantly shifting.  For some people (myself included) if the energy is constantly shifting then it means that perhaps the dynamic isn't that serious.  I don't think people have to be serious (or focused) about their dynamic to be in the BDSM scene, however I don't think I'd internally or personally consider someone slave if the energy was constantly shifting within the dynamic where they were not always a slave to the person (at the risk of repeating myself I mean that if someone is able to of their own violition shift out of the place of being someones slave to being over them then I cannot consider them a slave).


I wonder, have you spent as much time and energy deciding whether you'll consider African Americans who are very light brown, black?  Your post had an awful lot of references to other people... it's so much less offensive when you stick to I statements.  I wonder, do you realize that when you wander away from I statements you sound as if you're saying that people who do it differently than you do don't have it right?  I wasn't aware of your status as the person who made the final decision about what's "enough" or "more".

No flame intended, but I know you sure as hell offended me.

Lieren




Wildfleurs -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 3:45:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Lieren

I wonder, have you spent as much time and energy deciding whether you'll consider African Americans who are very light brown, black?  Your post had an awful lot of references to other people... it's so much less offensive when you stick to I statements.  I wonder, do you realize that when you wander away from I statements you sound as if you're saying that people who do it differently than you do don't have it right?  I wasn't aware of your status as the person who made the final decision about what's "enough" or "more".

No flame intended, but I know you sure as hell offended me.

Lieren



It would be nice if you disagreed with me that you actually stuck to the substance.  To quote my own post in terms of the number of times I made *I statements*:

I read through both pages and thought about not posting because well.. I'm not a switch....
But I get where starshine is coming from, although I think linguistically the way she expresses it ....
But from my perspective I feel....
I can't really see how they'd be....
For some people (myself included)....
I don't think people have to be serious....
I don't think I'd internally or personally consider....
I mean that if someone is able to of their own violition shift out of the place of being someones slave to being over them then I cannot consider them a slave....

C~




beltainefaerie -> RE: Seriousness in Switching (11/21/2006 4:19:25 PM)

I also have been irritated at people who think that switching is somehow less than having only one orientation.  All my life I have been accused of not choosing sides and been told that I can't be ________ and _________ together.  Pretty much if there is a middle ground, I'm in it.  I am bisexual, Christian AND Wiccan, and BDSM was one of the few areas I thought I was purely one thing.  Of course many of my posts have dealt with the exciting world of discovering that I'm a switch and I couldn't be happier.  Why do peope want to make us choose one thing over another when there are so many exciting philosophies and sensations to experience.  I guess most people just can't wrap their heads around the validity of anyone else's paradigm.  There are many things that I have learned more about and discovered that they weren't for me, but I can't imagine telling anyone else that they can't do or believe them, or even that there way was somehow less than mine.  I do get that people who play casually versus people who have a LTR with their partner(s) are having a different experience, but all of our experiences are valid expresions of who we are, as long as they feel right to us.  Don't we have enough of the vanilla world telling us we are wrong?  Do we really need to fight with each other too?




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