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Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 8:36:22 AM   
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Much debate have lately arisen on this site aboute the use of third person speatch. i got some intrests in the topic and desided to chek it out. Here is an alternative wiewpoint to this form an occultist`s perspective. But keep in mind, this is only a teory, i am not saying that this is it, or that this is it for all pepole. But what i will try to do is explain this from a chanckra wiewpoint.

The human body, acodring to many teories have seven Energy centers, called chackras. Theese senters not only govern our physical health, and our Spiritual development, they govern our development mentaly to, and our development as pepole. The more activly one use a chankra, the stronger it becomes, and also the stronger become its traints in the person invoking it.

The first chancra is called Rot and is located aboute at the place of our sexual organes. It is concerned mentaly whit basic needs, the need for food, wather and warmnt. It is evident in werry young infants. The ego is not yet formed and the mindset of this chankra is mire like this, hungry, thirsty, cold. As long as the basic needs are met, the Rot Chacra is satisfied.

The comes the navel chancra, or Hara. This is located right under the navel. This chancra deals mentaly whit the basic passions, like sex, instincs and fear. Like two insects mating, the Hara hancra has no ego, nor any I, it is just passion. It thinks like this. Want sex, Fear Hights, Need to Escape.

Then come the Solar Plexus Chakra. This is located at the solar plexus and is mentaly concernd whit the ego and the awarness of I. Here we learn to seperate ourself from the others, and we know that we are a person of our own. We here begin to say. I want, I need, and I like. In this stage of development we are totaly separated from our mothers, and have beome an I.

Then comes the Hartch Chancra. This is located in the chest, and mentaly it is concerned whit others. Here we learn such conspets as love, caring, and we learn the concept of We. Here we come to crave others acnowledgment, and we being to crave other pepole company. This is the highest of the basic needs Chanckras.

Then Comes the troat chance that is located at the place there your neck begins. This chancra is mentaly concerned whit comunication. In the last chancra we learnd the value of others, here we learn to comunicate whit them. We know the mening if I, You, and We. and we can formulate our needs and wishes in words.

Then Comes the Third Eye, or Pinal Chanckra. This Chancra is located in your forehead. Mentaly it is konserned whit obervation, both mundane and hidden. We have larned to talk whit others, now we learn to see others and ourself. We also at this stage begin to learn that there is more to life that this physical matter we see all around us.

Then comes the Crown Chancra. This chancra is located some cm above your head. At this stage we are mentaly concerned aboute religion, we can now see the spiritual and know that there are other needs is this world than we can explain. Many pepole never realy activate this Energy center.

There are also teories aboute more chancras and secondary chancras. But this smal explenation is enoh to explain my teory. Now many smal children speak in third person perspective, others have learnd not to. But anyway, one of the reaons for this is that they have not yet formed an ego. They are by now self aware, but have no real knowledge of self. For example when a littel girl, i remember feeling sorry for the Chinise pepole, becouse they could not talk so that pepole understood them. i could not fathom that somone could understand a luanguage i did not. Now this might sound like a to strong ego, but it is not, it is not an ego at all. At this poinst, i had not formed my ego enoh to clearly seperate myself from others. i existed i knew, and i felt, and dreamed, but did others exist. i had no clear line of this is me, this is you.

What do this have to do whit slave speatch you might ask, am i sugesting that all slaves that speak in third person are not more devoped then smal children. Well hold your flaming of for some time longer i beg and let me explin further. In many self help courses you learn to use the word We, instead of I. This is to make you coperate better whit others, and it works, for this contects you stronger to the Energy of the Harth Chackra. You atention is drwan away from the strengthing of your ego whit the word I to the apriciation of other by the word We. In the same note. If i was to use my name nella, instead of i, i would be weakening my ego. And as such my mind would atatch itself more to the other Chacras. Byt the same time serving another person, and setting His or Her needs in from of my own, i would conect myself werry strongly to the Harth chacra, therby moving my center away from my ego, and more to being an extention of sorts, of the other person.

Have it ever happed to you that you have been in love and has walked whit your sweetharth and have seen a pretty rose and have smiled, becouse its buty exited you, then you have seen the face of your lover, liking your smile, and you feel ten times as good, becouse you have made that other person happy. When in love the I consiousness lessen and the We consiouness become grater. Often you can hear this in the way the lovesick pepole speak as well, they use the word We more and more and lessen the use of the word I. When a slave use her or his name insead of the word I, they lessen their ego, and if they work to become closer to their Master or Mistress, strengten the consiouness of others. Therefore, in reality, the Master`s yoy, become thir yoy, and His sadness become thir sadness. Thir main emotions no longer come from the Ego, but from the Master and they resive gratification, or downturns by proxy.

Many Masters and slaves are not aware of the Chancra system, and many that are, do not belive in it. But for those that do, this might be a thing to consider. Many slaves i have spoken to say that third person speatch strenghten their slave mode, and make them more service oriented. Well if you belive in the Chacra system, that is exactly what happens.

One final word to this littel teory of mine. Giving up some of the Ego energy from Solar Plexus, do not mean that you are less devloped in other chackraes or are like a child. It only mean that you shift your consiousness. But one word of cotion, if you deplet the Solar Plexus much, wearing some yellow stones, or othervise charging it can be a good idea from time to time, to keep the general Energy balance of the body right, or sickness and other discomforts can occur. The Chancras are linked, and depleeting one, affect the others. What you want to do, if using this teory is not to dpleet the Solar Plexus, but to shift the consiousness somwhat away from the Ego driven consiouness of most pepole, to the consiouness of a slave.
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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 9:04:10 AM   
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VERY hard to read due to the misspellings, but an interesting theory. I do believe in the chakra system and it makes a lot of sense to me. Thanks for sharing.

Might I suggest copying and pasting your article into word, spell checking it and then reposting it as an edited version? I think a lot more people would read it. If you do this, I'd like permission to share the article with a list I am on.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 9:52:51 AM   
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quote:

But one word of cotion, if you deplet the Solar Plexus much, wearing some yellow stones, or othervise charging it can be a good idea from time to time, to keep the general Energy balance of the body right, or sickness and other discomforts can occur. The Chancras are linked, and depleeting one, affect the others. What you want to do, if using this teory is not to dpleet the Solar Plexus, but to shift the consiousness somwhat away from the Ego driven consiouness of most pepole, to the consiouness of a slave.


Very good article nella. I didn't quite understand this part though. Does this mean that if you are always in "third person" mode you may become weak unless you try to boost your energy elsewhere? And, how do you do that besides using stones or some other kind of symbol?

I don't understand why someone in the lifestyle cannot use these metaphysical ideals like your theory and Tantra, etc.. I am totally guessing here but maybe those using SM are less likely to "break" their energies. Any thoughts?



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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 10:32:08 AM   
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sweetpleaser, no i do not mean that a person whit depleted Solar Plexus Energy will always be in third person. But Solar Plexus govern more than just that part of the ego. Also when one chacra go down in Energy, the others do to. If you see them as containers whit a tube linking them, if one get filled, the others get filled, and the other way around. often pepole wanting psycic powers try to activate the Pinal chakra before any of the others, and that often go wrong. i can imagine that when often speaking in third person you fill up less Energy to Solar Plexus during the day, and it might need a littel boost. Becouse things asosiated whit that chakra fill it, and when you do less of theese things it will eventualy drain. my familiarity whit Tantra is limited, but my opinion is that mostly you can mix and match in metahpysical diseplins to get the effect your want.

As for if pepole using SM brak their energies less, i simply do not know, but i know that there are several spiritual paths involving SM so some must find it useful.

MistressFire70 i am sorry for mylack of Englsih skill, i try using a spell chek program, but it is not away esy, as i am a bit dyslectic and the words sugested are not easy to pich the right from. But i can ask my Dom if he would fix the spelling in my text. If you wish to use my text for anything go ahead, i am werry happy you see some merit in it.

Thank you both of you for your kind words aboute my teory.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 11:19:50 AM   
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nella,

Someone has informed me that English isn't your first language. Disregard my spelling comment and please accept my apology. In fact, I'd be happy to spell check and repost your article for you...it's very good information.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 11:28:41 AM   
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Thank you. i be werry happy if you would.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 12:18:16 PM   
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Thanks again for the information nella. I am sure there are plenty of ways to boost energy but what would you do to build your energy? Do you use meditation?

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 1:57:48 PM   
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Thanks for the compliment. i usualy use direct Energy manipulation to raise my Energy, things more akin to Reiki. i also often use chrystals. Meditation i use from time to time to.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 2:00:57 PM   
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quote:



I don't understand why someone in the lifestyle cannot use these metaphysical ideals like your theory and Tantra, etc.. I am totally guessing here but maybe those using SM are less likely to "break" their energies. Any thoughts?



Actually, there are quite a few "Energy players" out there, (Myself included.) I don't utilize stones or symbols in my play, but I do focus my energies on a particular chakra by puling from or adding to a particular region. The exchange can be extremely powerful.

I'm unsure of what you meant by "breaking" energies. A little clarification please?

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 2:07:42 PM   
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1st 2nd or 3rd. As long as someone is envolved I really don't care.

Me talking to Nella: How are you Nella? Fangs wants to know how you are doing? How is nella doing?

Whatever floats the boat. If it ain't broke then don't fix it.



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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 3:46:48 PM   
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Hey i totaly agree, it make no difference to me. I was just making a nice littel teory.

Often i belive that pure Energy work whit no symbols or focus points can be more rewarding that ther types, but again, that is just me.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 4:05:33 PM   
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girl needs more time spent with grammarrrrrrrr and speeeeellinngggg Mastarrrrrr.

girls' article is ok, but really does not explain the third person perspective as it applies to speach patterns.

Unless this Sir is mistaken..... can someone break it down a bit ?

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 4:24:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: nella

Thanks for the compliment. i usualy use direct Energy manipulation to raise my Energy, things more akin to Reiki. i also often use chrystals. Meditation i use from time to time to.



You struck me as someone who would recharge themself by allowing themself to be a vessel for Energy to flow through.

I enjoyed your post, nella. It's a wonderful interpretation of the chakras functions, and their connection to submission and the usefulness of depersonalization in spiritual (and personal) evolution. Your writing also didn't tend to take personal responsibility and power out of the equation, as I've seen many do with new age sorts of things.

I really value your contributions to these boards, nella. Not only for the content, but because you remind me that there are many reasons someone may not have perfect command of the language and it doesn't necessarily contaminate the content.

And the truth is that I often sit atop a high horse in that regard. You help me remember my humility. That's always a gift.





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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 4:35:16 PM   
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As promised, nella, and thank you for allowing me to share it with my group.

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Much debate has lately arisen on this site about the
use of third person speech. i have some interest in
the topic and decided to check it out. Here is an
alternative viewpoint to this form, an occultist’s
perspective. But, keep in mind, this is only a theory,
i am not saying that this is it, or that this is it
for all people. But what i will try to do is explain
this from a Chakra viewpoint.

The human body, according to many theories, have seven
energy centers, called Chakras. These centers not only
govern our physical health, and our Spiritual
development, they govern our development mentally to,
and our development as people. The more actively one
uses a Chakra, the stronger it becomes, and also the
stronger become its traits in the person invoking it.

The first Chakra is called Root and is located about
at the place of our sexual organs. It is concerned
mainly with basic needs; the need for food, water and
warmth, as examples. It is evident in very young
infants. The ego is not yet formed and the mindset of
this Chakra is more like this: “Hungry”, “Thirsty”,
“Cold”. As long as the basic needs are met, the Root
Chakra is satisfied.

Then comes the navel Chakra, or Hara. This is located
right under the navel. This Chakra deals mentally with
the basic passions, like sex, instincts and fear. Like
two insects mating, the Hara Chakra has no ego, nor
any I, it is just passion. It thinks like this: “Want
sex”, “Fear Heights”, “Need to escape”.

Then comes the Solar Plexus Chakra. This is located at
the solar plexus and is mentally concerned with the
ego and the awareness of “I”. Here we learn to
separate ourselves from the others, and we know that
we are a person of our own. We here begin to say:
”I want”, “I need”, and “I like”. In this stage of
development we are totally separated from our mothers,
and have become an I.

Then comes the Heart Chakra. This is located in the
chest, and mentally it is concerned with others. Here,
we learn such concepts as love, caring, and we learn
the concept of “We”. Here we come to crave others
acknowledgment, and we being to crave other people’s
company. This is the highest of the basic needs
Chakras.

Then comes the Throat Chakra that is located at the
place there your neck begins. This Chakra is mentally
concerned with communication. In the last Chakra we
learned the value of others, here we learn to
communicate with them. We know the meaning of “I”,
“You”, and “We”, and we can formulate our needs and
wishes in words.

Then comes the Third Eye, or Pinal, Chakra. This
Chakra is located in your forehead. Mentally it is
concerned with observation, both mundane and hidden.
We have learned to talk with others, now we learn to
see others and ourselves. We also at this stage begin
to learn that there is more to life that this physical
matter we see all around us.

Then comes the Crown Chakra. This Chakra is located
some distance above your head. At this stage we are
mentally concerned about religion; we can now see the
spiritual and know that there are things in this world
than we can’t explain. Many people never really
activate this Energy center.

There are also theories about more Chakras and
secondary Chakras. But this small explanation is
enough to explain my theory. Now, many small children
speak in third person perspective, others have learned
not to. But anyway, one of the reasons for this is
that they have not yet formed an ego. They are, by
now, self aware, but have no real knowledge of self.
For example when i was a little girl, i remember
feeling sorry for Chinese people, because they could
not talk so that people understood them. i could not
fathom that someone could understand a language i did
not. Now this might sound like too strong an ego, but
it is not, it is not an ego at all. At this point, i
had not formed my ego enough to clearly separate
myself from others. i existed, i knew, i felt and i
dreamed, but didn’t realize others existed as separate
entities. i had no clear line of “this is me”, “this
is you”.

What does this have to do with slave speech, you might
ask? Am i suggesting that all slaves that speak in
third person are about as developed as small children?
Well hold your flaming off for some time longer, i beg
and let me explain further. In many self help courses
you learn to use the word “We”, instead of “I”. This
is to make you cooperate better with others, and it
works, for this connects you stronger to the energy of
the Heart Chakra. You attention is drawn away from the
strengthening of your ego with the word “I” to the
appreciation of other by the word “We”. In the same
note, iIf i was to use my name nella, instead of i, i
would be weakening my ego. And as such, my mind would
attach itself more to the other Chakras. By the same
time serving another person, and setting His or Her
needs in front of my own, i would connect myself very
strongly to the Heart Chakra, thereby moving my center
away from my ego, and more to being an extension of
sorts, of the other person.

Has it ever happed to you that you have been in love
and has walked with your sweetheart and have seen a
pretty rose and have smiled, because its beauty exited
you, then you have seen the face of your lover, liking
your smile, and you feel ten times as good, because
you have made that other person happy? When in love,
the “I” consciousness lessens and the “We”
consciousness becomes greater. Often you can hear this
in the way the lovesick people speak as well, they use
the word “We” more and more and lessen the use of the
word “I”. When a slave uses her or his name instead of
the word “I”, they lessen their ego, and if they work
to become closer to their Master or Mistress, they
strengthen the consciousness about others. Therefore,
in reality, the Master’s joy, becomes their joy, and
His sadness become their sadness. Their main emotions
no longer come from the Ego, but from the Master and
they receive gratification, or downturns by proxy.

Many Masters and slaves are not aware of the Chakra
system, and many that are, do not believe in it. But
for those that do, this might be a thing to consider.
Many slaves i have spoken to say that third person
speech strengthens their slave mode, and make them
more service oriented. Well if you believe in the
Chakra system, that is exactly what happens.

One final word to this little theory of mine: Giving
up some of the Ego energy from Solar Plexus, does not
mean that you are less developed in other Chakras or
are like a child. It only means that you shift your
consciousness. But one word of caution, if you deplete
the Solar Plexus much, wear some yellow stones, or
otherwise recharge it, would be a good idea from time
to time to keep the general energy balance of the body
right, or sickness and other discomforts can occur.
The Chakras are linked, and depleting one, affect the
others. What you want to do, according to this theory,
is not to deplete the Solar Plexus, but to shift the
consciousness somewhat away from the Ego driven
consciousness of most people, to the consciousness of
a slave.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 5:28:05 PM   
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Thorns; my theory of energy transmission from one person to another involves an "aura" that can be felt. I am assuming that the tie that binds through energy could be broken with the pain aspect of SM. Again, I could be wrong and that is why I asked for ideas.

After reading my post again, I had meant to say "more" likely to break the energy link. Sorry for the confusion.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 5:51:51 PM   
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Thorns; my theory of energy transmission from one person to another involves an "aura" that can be felt. I am assuming that the tie that binds through energy could be broken with the pain aspect of SM. Again, I could be wrong and that is why I asked for ideas.

After reading my post again, I had meant to say "more" likely to break the energy link. Sorry for the confusion.



My personal experience is that, if the connection between the parties is there, then the process of giving, receiving and processing the pain can be an intensifier to the connection.

I bet a number of sadists would say that they can feel the energy that is released by the bottom as the bottom allows the energy of the pain to flow through them. I know that I can draw from that energy, released by the bottom, and in so doing it fuels my ability to remain connected with them and respond to their own needs. It can be self perpetuating rather than destructive and REALLY HOT, but not necessarily so.

I suppose if you are the sort to recoil when experiencing pain then it could diminish the connection between the parties. That's not necessarily the default, though.






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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 6:09:27 PM   
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quote:

I bet a number of sadists would say that they can feel the energy that is released by the bottom as the bottom allows the energy of the pain to flow through them. I know that I can draw from that energy, released by the bottom, and in so doing it fuels my ability to remain connected with them and respond to their own needs. It can be self perpetuating rather than destructive and REALLY HOT, but not necessarily so.


Madam,

My feeling is more a sense of being drawn though the subject- sort of piggybacking on the pain, like reaching past the, through them to a ground state, and letting the flow come back to me along that path.

Not every time, maybe not even often, but sometimes it does go there. It's not for me, quite so circluar as it is ?tidal?-an ebb and flow, sometime with a long period, something that resonates and amplifies, building on itself. I definatly, after a good scene feel energised, and it not from the arobics involved <g>.

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 6:40:22 PM   
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I'm of the opinion that energetic ties exist between all people at all times. The question is a matter of intensity and type. I don't feel that sadistic play can break the connection...as well, the connection cannot be broken. It can swing into something very undesireable, but it remains intact.

Dominance, sadism, submission, slavery, etc., all seem to be different methods of affecting others on an energetic level. I tend to think of dominants as a source of energy, and submissives as a recepticle. A dominant needs to be able to exert their influence over another. A submissive has a desire to be influenced. The yin and yang...the source and recepticle. Sadism is just one tool available to a dominant for exerting that influence.

I think the peak of an energetic exchange occurs when a slave hits "space", as that can trigger a dominant's "Top space" as well. At least for me, I know I settle into a very peaceful, yet very powerful and focused frame of mind when my slave flies. It's almost instantaneous...she hits space...then I hit space...and life is good.

I think I can understand how 3rd person speech can affect a slave on an energetic level as it is a removal of self...an emptying of a recepticle, desiring to be filled by the source.

Hope I was able to get that out in a way that made sense...

Take care,

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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/9/2005 6:57:06 PM   
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Madam,

My feeling is more a sense of being drawn though the subject- sort of piggybacking on the pain, like reaching past the, through them to a ground state, and letting the flow come back to me along that path.

Not every time, maybe not even often, but sometimes it does go there. It's not for me, quite so circluar as it is ?tidal?-an ebb and flow, sometime with a long period, something that resonates and amplifies, building on itself. I definatly, after a good scene feel energised, and it not from the arobics involved <g>.



Tidal. That's an analogy that reminds me of some moments, so I can relate to it. It's a good one, too!

I would be lying if I said didn't often feel blissfully spent, in contrast to the 'energized' feeling or perhaps in complement to.

Although, I've taken beatings that later were likened by others to being hit with a zambonie and afterwards wanted to go dancing. <grin> I'd call that energized.


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RE: Third Peron speech and Chakra Energy. - 2/10/2005 12:27:26 AM   
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MistressFire70 thank you ever so much for fixing the mistakes i my text, i owe you one.

Energy is a complex topic, and i can take the teory i made and twist it or make another one that contridict it and that be equaly true. And yes, one always have personal resposibility, i always hate it when pepole lay back and say, if it is fate, it is fate, it never is, you are resposibel, you the person. It is just like if i played whit somone and they made me do somthing i felt bad aboute, as long as they did not ignore all safe words and physycaly forced me, or used treaths, i was not just an inocent victim, becouse i have resposibility for myself, always. Many use the spiritual as a way to escape their resposibilites and the drab of daly life. This just is not true. Adding the spiritual if any add ore resposibility but it can color that drab of daly life into butiful colors.

Thanks all for your compliments, you are most kind.

Darth, pleese, do not insult me. If my skill whit English is so bad you do not wish to discuss hwit me, there is an ignore button, ignore my posts. i am Norweegian, and i am dyslectic. Still i write at least somwat readabel English and i write Norweegian and i write a littel German and can understand some Latin. i am far from a lanugae expert, but i have fught hard for the littel skill i dod posess. When pepole tell me what i write is hard to read, that is okey, but i do not find it okey to make fun of the way i write.

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