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Level -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 2:53:38 AM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm only going to say this once more. I dont respect her choices but i respect her choice to make a choice. I cannot respect something which to me is wrong and won't.


Then you are terrible person to debate with and again I ask you (please answer this time) why did you post?

If you can not be respectful of opposing viewpoints you have no business asking for them.

Edited to add: Terrible person to debate with does not you are a terrible person. Just means you shouldn't be debating things.


You are one annoying person. Anyone can post, and they don't have to answer to you as to why. If you don't like it, hit the goddamn road.



missturbation -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 6:33:10 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm only going to say this once more. I dont respect her choices but i respect her choice to make a choice. I cannot respect something which to me is wrong and won't.


Which is your right, no matter what anyone else says.


Thanx Level x



marieToo -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 7:50:51 AM)

Ive been reading this thread since last night and couldnt believe that over coffee this morning people are still repeating the same thing over and over. 

At this point Im wondering how many more times you will have to say that circumstances matter, before someone actually acknowledges it instead of ignoring it like the big elephant in the middle of the room.  Maybe by the 34,508th time, one of these people will actually comprehend your words.  Good luck missturbation. 



ohbiguy32 -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 9:01:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Thats not what i meant.
I think that in certain circumstances, certain crimes testifying should be enforced. Just imagine if someone had murdered someone you loved and their spouse pleaded the fifth amendment but had vital evidence. How would you feel?


That did happen to me.  I felt bad for the husband of the woman who stabbed my friend to death.  But,  they did not need his testimony.  The evidence was over whelming



missturbation -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 9:09:19 AM)

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

Ive been reading this thread since last night and couldnt believe that over coffee this morning people are still repeating the same thing over and over. 

At this point Im wondering how many more times you will have to say that circumstances matter, before someone actually acknowledges it instead of ignoring it like the big elephant in the middle of the room.  Maybe by the 34,508th time, one of these people will actually comprehend your words.  Good luck missturbation. 


Thank you x



CandleInTheWind -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 11:19:47 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Well my estimation of you has gone right down the toilet. You'd rather see a murderer walk free to reoffend and they will time and time again to protect your family than protect innocent victims. It's disgusting.


okay here is my interpretation of what you are asking...

if joe smaith killed my aunt tilly   should  his wife be forced to tell what she knows?   my head says yes...however what is there to guarentee her actually telling the truth??  the testimony of a wife is a strong one only if it implicates him and means nothing if she says he was home with me tyin gme to the bed.

okay flip it around if my huuby killed joe shmoe during a bank robbery   should i be compelled to testify??  well unless he told me that he did it when we werent inthe after glo in amarriage bed or that i was there as well  well  well i would be my own feeling have to squeel on him...but again it does depend on when he told me....

if he told me as a confidant (which as a wife i would be ...kind of like a priest)  i would have to say no...would i encourage him to confess yes...it is just my nature to be honest and to be law abiding!  the law is writtent hat i do not have to...i can volunteer to do it...but i cannot be forced to testify.  Im not sure where it comes in in the bid book of laws but it is in there..



agirl -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 12:49:10 PM)

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ORIGINAL: slavejali

Just by the way, I wouldn't be in a relationship in the first place with a murderer, so really, this topic is pushing people into a place in their mind to make a decicion about something that would most likely never happen. People can only go to their core values to respond to it, and loyalty to a partner is a very core issue with most people.

It's really futile arguing our positions on this topic, or allowing it to get our knickers in a knot.


You might be in a relationship with someone that does commit murder though. They don't tend to wear badges..........lol

agirl



agirl -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 12:58:18 PM)

I haven't a clue what I'd do. Not a single one.

During my lifetime I've been certain, at some point or other, that I wouldn't do lots of things and have gone on to do them.

As far as I'm concerned there are no certainties for me. I know that I cannot say that I *will never* do something or that I *will always* do something, because there's overwhelming evidence to suggest otherwise.

The best I can hope for is that I make the best of a bad situation, whatever that may be.

agirl



missturbation -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 1:38:31 PM)

 joe smaith killed my aunt tilly   should  his wife be forced to tell what she knows? 
No that is not what i was asking. I was plain and simply asking would you testify against a loved one. The issue of forcing i have made no comment on.
okay flip it around if my huuby killed joe shmoe during a bank robbery   should i be compelled to testify??  well unless he told me that he did it when we werent inthe after glo in amarriage bed or that i was there as well  well  well i would be my own feeling have to squeel on him...but again it does depend on when he told me
Again i was asking if you would testify not whether u should be made to. The issue was also raised that if you had the eveidence that would convict - all other evidence woudnt be enough to convict - would you testify?
 
if he told me as a confidant (which as a wife i would be ...kind of like a priest)  i would have to say no...would i encourage him to confess yes...
what if he was a serial killer, rapist or paedophile?
I have already said there are circumstances i would not testify but the above i wud have no hesitation.
 



RiotGirl -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 8:56:36 PM)

I'm with the others on loyalty and loyalty is important to me.  If you havent loyalty, like this - i honestly dont want you around me.  Its called being a snitch and the only use i have for them is to squirrel out information. 

who cares what the situation is?  You can always handle it yourself.. or have some one you know handle it.  So long as its handled is all that matters.  Cops, courts and judges dont really handle shit. 





mnottertail -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 9:00:09 PM)

Any you fugazi fucks open your yap and you sleep with the catch at the fulton fish market.
Capishe?

Vincenzo



RiotGirl -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 9:02:16 PM)

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Thats not what i meant.
I think that in certain circumstances, certain crimes testifying should be enforced. Just imagine if someone had murdered someone you loved and their spouse pleaded the fifth amendment but had vital evidence. How would you feel?


wouldnt care if they testified or not - i'd handle it



RiotGirl -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/19/2006 9:07:09 PM)

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ORIGINAL: mnottertail

Any you fugazi fucks open your yap and you sleep with the catch at the fulton fish market.
Capishe?

Vincenzo



lololol - you know i've always handled my own shit and the only times i ever went to a cop was to prevent myself from doing something i knew i'd regret.  Even did that a few times Ron - just a different group over in asia. 



JerseyKrissi72 -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 2:56:47 AM)

It would depend on what crime they committed...I don't find marijuana as a drug so once when a cop came to my apartment many years ago and asked me if I knew where my ex boyfriend was I said "nope" even though I knew exactly where he was[;)] I gave him the heads up and he got out of town...If my spouse was a child molestor or a murderer, well yes I would have no choice but to testify against him if I was 100 percent sure he comitted the crime because I could not live with myself otherwise.



AquaticSub -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 9:29:35 AM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

No, i'm not going to jump down your throat at all.
I'm a little tired of people putting words in my mouth this evening is all.
I apologise for my sharpness with you.
As for your agreeing with aquasub thats fine you are entitled to your opinion but its a shame so many people here are so quick to judge.


You judge very quickly.



AquaticSub -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 9:34:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Level

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

I'm only going to say this once more. I dont respect her choices but i respect her choice to make a choice. I cannot respect something which to me is wrong and won't.


Then you are terrible person to debate with and again I ask you (please answer this time) why did you post?

If you can not be respectful of opposing viewpoints you have no business asking for them.

Edited to add: Terrible person to debate with does not you are a terrible person. Just means you shouldn't be debating things.


You are one annoying person. Anyone can post, and they don't have to answer to you as to why. If you don't like it, hit the goddamn road.


Of course anyone can post! What I'm curious about is this: Why would someone who is completely incapable of understanding, considering, or even being polite to those with greatly differing opinions ask for those opinions? It seems to me, based on her responses, that she wanted a bunch of people to agree with her that everyone should testify against their spouses in all cases.

Perhaps it is the scholar in me but I simply cannot abide asking for opinions and then not handling them gracefully. Her tone has changed slightly during the course of the thread but she jumps down throats and from all that I can see, she doesn't consider other's opinions in the slightest, which to me, is the entire of point of asking for them. If you aren't going to consider them as possibly valid, what on earth is the point of asking for them?



Tikkiee -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 10:04:05 AM)

~~ general reply ~~
 
I would also stand on the side of loyalty; no matter what the circumstances.



thompsonx -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 12:05:01 PM)

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ORIGINAL: missturbation

Apparently in the 1800's it was illegal (certainly in the USA) to testify against your husband in court unless he gave you permission.
Just made me wonder would you testify against a partner or a loved one if it came to it?



misturbation:
Since we are dealing in hypotheticals...If I had a hypothetical wife and she murdered a guy who raped her would I testify against her?
Nope.
I would take her gun and destroy it and buy her a new one and another box of ammo.

thompson



Termyn8or -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 1:40:13 PM)

Sorry to do a jump through, but a few things need to be said.

After the Magna Carta people's rights were defined on paper and became sort of a guideline. There are other influences though, like religion. Early US law was ,odeled partly after English law, but not exactly.

A Christian religion was the state religion, and the framers of our Constitution deliberately use the word Creator, not God.

However, that didn't mean God was out of the picture. Even though the Constitution was not Christian, the people and their representative largely were. Therefore the law evolved in that 'venue' (for lack of a better word right now).

The law used to recognize that your first loyalty is to God.

Where the spouse comes in is that you swore loyalty to that spouse before God, as the church did the marrying then. So the law pretty much recognized that one's loyalty to the community was third on the list. Husband and Wife were treated as one entity in some ways. The law had flaws back then, and unfortunately I can't report much forward progress.

It is anyone's guess why this does not extend to Parents, offspring and siblings.

Now getting out of the legal aspect of this, a personal decision ? That is whole nother can of worms.

Let's say I have a spouse. She killed a guy. I found out. The first and foremost question would be "Why did you do it ?". The answer that follows would have quite the impact on events yet to unfold.

"He was going to take our kid's first string position at the highschool football team", well she better not say that. I would put the cuffs on fast, and not in a kinky way. I could never feel safe sleeping with a crazt bitch like that. No matter how much I love her, she has got to go down for this.

On the other hand "The SOB was a friend of my Dad's and he raped me when I was 13". Got off scot free, well did, not any more. In a case like that I would not make the call, I would shut up. Then I would ask about the MO, and tell her "Hey, if there are any loose ends to tie up we gotta do it now, remember there is no statute of limitations". After that was taken care of I would grab her, look her in the eye and ask "Why the fuck didn't you tell me about this ?". I want answers, and this time, I want them all.

At that point if I went to jail for not testifying against her, so be it, especially if it resulted in her getting off, and me only doing a few years for contempt, or even perjury.

What I'm saying is after swearing loyalty to someone, it has got to take alot to violate that, otherwise it means nothing.

T



missturbation -> RE: To testify or not to testify!! (11/20/2006 3:46:08 PM)

It seems to me, based on her responses, that she wanted a bunch of people to agree with her that everyone should testify against their spouses in all cases.
Did i say all cases?
Go back and do a little reading. How many times did i have to say i would not always testify?
 
Her tone has changed slightly during the course of the thread but she jumps down throats and from all that I can see, she doesn't consider other's opinions in the slightest,
Funnily enough i have agreed with quite a few. I personally would not testify unless it was serial murder, rape, child abuse but ive said that all along.
You have continously read what you want to and skipped over what you didnt want to.
Like someone said i can repeat my opinion until im blue in the face but you will see what you want to see.
Also as someone said you are getting slightly annoying with your constant sniping.
Maybe you should just refrain from reading any of my threads.



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