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emdoub -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 2:41:35 PM)
You've seen that before, CelticPrince? Mayhaps I misjudged cindyimswf , and she was merely taken in by the pretentious crap, rather than being the author of it. So - where did this come from, and who is to be blame.... er, responsible for it? Now I'm curious. Midnight Writer Curiousity killed the cat, but satisfaction brought him back.

Rover -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 2:49:08 PM)
Unquestionably it is the recognizable work of the same author who penned "The Nine Levels of Submission" and "The Responsibilities of a Dominant". I believe that would be "author unknown" (or unwilling to accept responsibility). John

emdoub -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 2:53:58 PM)
Aha - I have apparently missed several gems from this 'author'. I just *knew* I was doing something right! Midnight Writer

cindyimswf -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 4:13:36 PM)
Good evening to You; You have asked that the writer of the Creed be given credit, which is an assumption on Your part that I might want credit, please be assured the girl has not acted without My permission, consent, or indeed request to share the file which I wrote, and for good reason. There was a time when the participants, and writers of d/s dare not reveal their identity for fear of persecution, not just by the law, or their neighbors but from within the community itself; as it was believed that revealing any of the “great sexual secrets of the sect” would invariably bring about a destruction of the community and attacks from not only those within it, but those outside of it as well. It was for this reason that such writers opted to take pen and scene names with which the rest of the community (both inside and removed from this interest) might not be so familiar with. It was these same people who dared speak up, and speak out who have given Us our community history, the plethora of interests (scat play traces back over 300 years, fetishism to antiquity), and your understanding of this world regardless of how brief or complete that understanding is. Many of the writers of old were ostracized both by the community and those outside of it. Many of them were jailed – For the duration of their lives. Many of them and their contributions to our community have been lost to time. Ah, but for three hundred years of documented history we know men and women both have suffered for such things as are sensual d/s texts and writings, interests, and desires. In the interest of honoring them, and their contributions to our current Leather World; in the interest of keeping the focus on the text as opposed to the writer of it; in the interest of allowing the community to accept and adopt such a creed as theirs and their own without personal interest I’d asked a few close friends that the Creed be sent out, shared, discussed as needed and finally adopted by all of Us. For three hundred years we have refused to define Ourselves, and what separates Us from the criminals, from the mentally imbalanced, from those who even We are disgusted by. For three hundred years we have played at defining and creating a society which to date remains fully compartmentalized and unknown on the whole. For three hundred years we have not been enabled in voice. It is My hope and desire that The Creed might enable some change in that realm. There is nothing in it which is personal, or specific other than in the broadest and most general of terms such as the interest in children or animals, reasons which are backed up by intellect, and reason which I believe everyone can agree is valid, those who do not should raise the concern of the community on the whole. The Creed isn’t about personal gain so much as personal issue with the societal misconception of Our collective interests and gains, and Our collective refusal to be responsible enough to state who We are; and what We are about, in the vaguest terms. It is My belief that should the Leather community strive to self-define; the world outside the cellar won’t be in such a race to mislabel Us, and as we have all learned; when you allow someone else to label you it is always wrong, and it will never be removed. This is Our definition, this is Us taking the responsibility of defining what we believe is acceptable, and not, and it’s only … a first step. I should like to hope and believe You might be eager to join the journey of acceptance and understanding rather than simply presupposing the possibility. The Creed was written yesterday afternoon, approximately 28 hours ago now, and those who know Me know WHY it was writen, and indeed I had a witness to the writing of it as I typed, went for smoke breaks and returned to the task at hand – and posted to as many places online as a small group of us could find; all at once. I can assure you it is My words, My style of writing, and My work. It is new to the consciousness of the group, and yet We all know its time has come and many believe they’ve seen it before – Which is simply not possible. I’ll hope you feel familiar with it as well and can thus understand and support the Creed as well as the logic behind it. I am available for discussion should I be wanted, in the meantime no credit need be given and indeed if any is ever placed upon the text would allow the community to know the claim is a fraud. Thank you for your time and concern in the matter. The UNKNOWN Writer of the Leather Creed Sunday November 19th 6:45 pm

mnottertail -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 4:29:30 PM)
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL, I am just gonna say that I think somebody somewhere in history, probably the guy that made roqueforte cheese thought about eating shit in his wildest fuckin' dreams more than 300 years ago. And I don't care what your brain capcity is even if you are the bitch from Olduvai Gorge, someone looked at that ass and said I am going to stick my dick in there if it is the last thing I do, before her father kills me. Somebody somewhere, saw a woman ravenously eating a fiddlefuckstickhead fern and the saliva dripping from her mouth, and it wasn't long before he was asking her what she was doing that afternoon, and the lightbulb went on before Menlo Park and the Tarpits of San Dimas came into being. Sincerely, MasterImmemorial

LordODiscipline -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 4:48:39 PM)
Ah - A load of scatological tripe - conceived as a means of accolade - although... it is denied for the time being'.. A wonderful ruse Please do not refrain and regale us with those whom have been arrested and tried. As their personnas are now public record following trial and incarceration, we should be allowed to deduce (at least partial) authentication of your assumption upon our intellects by the means of their already published identities... Being exposed in this way is definitively being "out" and therefore they require no need to clositer their selves and personnas in any future manner... And, yet - there is no mention of them anywhere except in your tome adn disclosure... Curiouser and Curiouser (I would like to mention the name of the Jaberwokee as a potential source of this confused attribution). And, do let us know of the history of "scat play" and where it originated and the (perchance) proof of such a historical documentation Dear sir, forgive the quips and the expense of your veracity in such a course of slavenly and mannerish joviality... but, your overtly antiquated style of writing belies a sincere dissociation with the very contemporaries in leather you state a need to address and a significant desire to be thought of as something 'more than' you would be under contemporary conveyance of your thoughts and the material presented It is a forced and rather poorly demonstrated affectation which only serves to strain your credibility all the more... So - should you desire to in the least and at the most -prove your allegations are more than a cyberly induced imagintivie fit of pique and a signficant schism with the reality which most of us do hold dear, please do expound on your suppositions by allowing us a modicum of the intelligence God bestowed on the chimpanzee and tell us the birth records own revelation for our persecuted brothers and sisters under the vest. We look forward with bated breath and lofty imaginings to the reliefd we will assuredly bedelivered by your earthly conveyance of such information as would be readily available... and, should be easy to procure and produce from the history you state you are enmeshed in. Until then I am - Your's in cracked leather and historical duty Sincerely Your's Msr. KJPS Howe 19th of November in the Year of Our Lord 2006 19:48Hours EDST quote: ORIGINAL: cindyimswf Good evening to You; You have asked that the writer of the Creed be given credit, which is an assumption on Your part that I might want credit, please be assured the girl has not acted without My permission, consent, or indeed request to share the file which I wrote, and for good reason. There was a time when the participants, and writers of d/s dare not reveal their identity for fear of persecution, not just by the law, or their neighbors but from within the community itself; as it was believed that revealing any of the “great sexual secrets of the sect” would invariably bring about a destruction of the community and attacks from not only those within it, but those outside of it as well. It was for this reason that such writers opted to take pen and scene names with which the rest of the community (both inside and removed from this interest) might not be so familiar with. It was these same people who dared speak up, and speak out who have given Us our community history, the plethora of interests (scat play traces back over 300 years, fetishism to antiquity), and your understanding of this world regardless of how brief or complete that understanding is. Many of the writers of old were ostracized both by the community and those outside of it. Many of them were jailed – For the duration of their lives. Many of them and their contributions to our community have been lost to time. Ah, but for three hundred years of documented history we know men and women both have suffered for such things as are sensual d/s texts and writings, interests, and desires. In the interest of honoring them, and their contributions to our current Leather World; in the interest of keeping the focus on the text as opposed to the writer of it; in the interest of allowing the community to accept and adopt such a creed as theirs and their own without personal interest I’d asked a few close friends that the Creed be sent out, shared, discussed as needed and finally adopted by all of Us. For three hundred years we have refused to define Ourselves, and what separates Us from the criminals, from the mentally imbalanced, from those who even We are disgusted by. For three hundred years we have played at defining and creating a society which to date remains fully compartmentalized and unknown on the whole. For three hundred years we have not been enabled in voice. It is My hope and desire that The Creed might enable some change in that realm. There is nothing in it which is personal, or specific other than in the broadest and most general of terms such as the interest in children or animals, reasons which are backed up by intellect, and reason which I believe everyone can agree is valid, those who do not should raise the concern of the community on the whole. The Creed isn’t about personal gain so much as personal issue with the societal misconception of Our collective interests and gains, and Our collective refusal to be responsible enough to state who We are; and what We are about, in the vaguest terms. It is My belief that should the Leather community strive to self-define; the world outside the cellar won’t be in such a race to mislabel Us, and as we have all learned; when you allow someone else to label you it is always wrong, and it will never be removed. This is Our definition, this is Us taking the responsibility of defining what we believe is acceptable, and not, and it’s only … a first step. I should like to hope and believe You might be eager to join the journey of acceptance and understanding rather than simply presupposing the possibility. The Creed was written yesterday afternoon, approximately 28 hours ago now, and those who know Me know WHY it was writen, and indeed I had a witness to the writing of it as I typed, went for smoke breaks and returned to the task at hand – and posted to as many places online as a small group of us could find; all at once. I can assure you it is My words, My style of writing, and My work. It is new to the consciousness of the group, and yet We all know its time has come and many believe they’ve seen it before – Which is simply not possible. I’ll hope you feel familiar with it as well and can thus understand and support the Creed as well as the logic behind it. I am available for discussion should I be wanted, in the meantime no credit need be given and indeed if any is ever placed upon the text would allow the community to know the claim is a fraud. Thank you for your time and concern in the matter. The UNKNOWN Writer of the Leather Creed Sunday November 19th 6:45 pm

LordODiscipline -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 4:49:53 PM)
*deleted as redundant ;)*

Rover -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 5:19:10 PM)
Well, let's consider the options here. 1. This may be the work of some as yet unknown lifestyle historian who has oodles and oodles of research and documentation to support these truly astounding assertions. 2. Somewhere a village is missing its idiot. 3. CJ is here too. Decisions, decisions. I may need time to think this one over. John

gooddogbenji -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 5:31:29 PM)
I didn't know Scott Stapp was into leather. Yours, benji

MisPandora -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 7:59:34 PM)
Wow. Just wow. shaking head in disbelief

topcat -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 8:02:00 PM)
Actually, there is a passage in the Egyptian book of the Dead that may be a referance to scat, which would considerably pre-date Mozart (I am assuming the "UNKNOWN Writer of the Leather Creed " is confusing 'scatalogical' (sp?) with 'scatology' or 'scat play'). that aside, What you mean-um WE, paleface?

orfunboi -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 8:05:26 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: subdreamerboy wow, you're all very critical. I thought the list was fair and straight forward, and no one said it had to include you: "we" I would assume refers to whomever wrote and/or agrees with it. If it's not what you want, it's not what you want, so be it. My only question is: what's the point? why bother posting this? it asks no questions, poses no point for debate. what use is it on a forum? it's use...hmmmm it give other posters something to make fun about....

mnottertail -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 8:05:44 PM)
Do my fucking eyes decieve me? Are you people out here just talking shit, or what? Scatman Crothers

BitaTruble -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 8:21:25 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: cindyimswf The Leather Creed I would suggest changing the "The" in the title to "My" and every instance of "we/us" to "I/me". Celeste sheesh.. edited because I forgot to snip the quote

emdoub -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 10:48:55 PM)
Oh, my. Personally, I suspect that we've got someone who is either an attorney, or someone who works in Microsoft's support division - those two careers being renouned as excelling in using much verbiage correctly while keeping the meaning behind the verbiage remarkably occult. (Gee - maybe I can use that paragraph as part of my resume and apply for a Microsoft support position myself. Or.... not.) Anyhow - lemme get this straight. The reference to 'the girl' in third person means, hopefully, that cindyimswf is not the person expostulating here - that cindyimswf is a phantom behind which the actual author is concealing thier identity, or she's a stooge, letting her account be used for purposes of communication. (Damn - it's contagious! Lemme try this again.) Hokay - the person using the cindyimswf to claim authorship of 'The Leather Creed' isn't really cindy, right? Is she letting her account be used by the anonymous author, or is she a figment of someone's imagination? quote: ORIGINAL: cindyimswf There was a time when the participants, and writers of d/s dare not reveal their identity for fear of persecution, not just by the law, or their neighbors but from within the community itself; as it was believed that revealing any of the “great sexual secrets of the sect” would invariably bring about a destruction of the community and attacks from not only those within it, but those outside of it as well. Well, there was a time when publishing anything about the community was scary, with real legal consequences - so not much was published. I never have heard of a time when the 'community' itself was opposed to this, though. Then again, I've only been around... well, less than a quarter-century. In other words - would you be so kind as to let me know what the flock you're talking about here? quote: In the interest of honoring them, and their contributions to our current Leather World; in the interest of keeping the focus on the text as opposed to the writer of it; in the interest of allowing the community to accept and adopt such a creed as theirs and their own without personal interest I’d asked a few close friends that the Creed be sent out, shared, discussed as needed and finally adopted by all of Us. I've got bad news for ya, bucko - while this creed may serve for some, it's certainly not going to serve for me - and I suspect that it won't serve for a majority. 'All of Us' is simply not gonna happen - heck, we won't all get behind something as inoccuous as the Leather Pride Flag. quote: For three hundred years we have refused to define Ourselves, and what separates Us from the criminals, from the mentally imbalanced, from those who even We are disgusted by. It's been longer than that, and it's never been remotely possible - we're far too varied for that to work now, or in the past, or in the forseeable future. Personally, I hope that it never becomes possible - that individualism continues to reign supreme. quote: There is nothing in it which is personal, or specific other than in the broadest and most general of terms such as the interest in children or animals, reasons which are backed up by intellect, and reason which I believe everyone can agree is valid, those who do not should raise the concern of the community on the whole. As I'm already on record as objecting to many parts of this creed (which you totally ignored, obliterating the option of discussion), then I guess I'm one of the people you think should raise the concern of the community. I don't think the community needs to be concerned about me, though - it's only a cough, I'll be fine. quote: The Creed isn’t about personal gain so much as personal issue with the societal misconception of Our collective interests and gains, and Our collective refusal to be responsible enough to state who We are; and what We are about, in the vaguest terms. There's a reason for that refusal; we refuse to be restricted by any idea or ideal other than consent. Personally, I don't give a rip whether they're doing breathplay, barrier-free fluid exchange, and unsterile bloodplay - with Rin Tin Tin. If everyone involved has given their informed consent, they have my blessing. Their choice, their risks - their business. Finis. quote: It is My belief that should the Leather community strive to self-define; the world outside the cellar won’t be in such a race to mislabel Us, and as we have all learned; when you allow someone else to label you it is always wrong, and it will never be removed. I'll be sure to mention that to some Wiccans I know who live in fear of being burned at the stake, and some gays who are afraid to come out of the closet in San Francisco. quote: This is Our definition, this is Us taking the responsibility of defining what we believe is acceptable, and not, and it’s only … a first step. I should like to hope and believe You might be eager to join the journey of acceptance and understanding rather than simply presupposing the possibility. Um... no. This is your definition - mine is different, and other folks have definitions different from mine and yours. Deal. quote: The Creed was written yesterday afternoon, approximately 28 hours ago now, and those who know Me know WHY it was writen, and indeed I had a witness to the writing of it as I typed, went for smoke breaks and returned to the task at hand WHAT!?! You SMOKE? Don't you realize how dangerous that is, how ugly and dirty, how disrespectful of your neighbor's health? Shame on you! Well, shame on me, too - I do about 2 packs a day, myself. But you probably see how, in other aspects of your life, the condemnation of the neighbors doesn't really change your actions, eh? (The second-hand smoke studies are seriously flawed, but that's a topic for a different thread on a different forum.) quote: It is new to the consciousness of the group, and yet We all know its time has come and many believe they’ve seen it before – Which is simply not possible. I'll take your word for it that you are the recent author - but no, we do not all know its time has come. For some of us, its time will never come, and we'll oppose any attempt to make it come. Some of us prefer freedom, no matter how misunderstood or opposed. It's as simple as that. quote: I am available for discussion should I be wanted, in the meantime no credit need be given and indeed if any is ever placed upon the text would allow the community to know the claim is a fraud. Well, this would be the call for discussion, if you're willing to acknowledge that there is opposition to your ideas. In any case, you should seriously reconsider the idea that you're speaking for the community as a whole with this - because it's clear that you are not. Midnight Writer Evil, sadistic power-mad slob - who nevertheless respects consent.

ownedgirlie -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/19/2006 11:28:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mnottertail Scatman Crothers It's one of my favorite names of yours. Just had to tell ya that. As for a creed...the only "creed" I adhere to is "I will always obey my Master." But then I don't consider myself part of a "leather community." I am just me - his slave.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/20/2006 3:30:07 AM)
See I told you there was no need to go past the pic. Yup, nice ass.

MmakeMme -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/20/2006 3:41:59 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline -prove your allegations are more than a cyberly induced imagintivie fit of pique ~laughing quietly~ An imaginative fit of pique. That is a phrase of wonderful comedic melody. Love it.

Fitznicely -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/20/2006 4:14:28 AM)
Fuckin 'ell! And I thought the OP was pretentious before! For the record, Anonymous, you ain't talking about Me. Fuck, I would never be corny enough to ever call myself "Leather". What kinda shit is that?

Wolfspet -> RE: The Leather Creed (11/20/2006 4:17:11 AM)
I am sure all of the " Leather families " that exist is the US would gag at reading this. Matter of fact werent you were already rebuked by a few on another site for posting this crap and attributing it to the Leatherfolk?

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