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Perspective - 11/19/2006 12:54:15 AM   
Termyn8or


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Ok we are on the third thread shut down. There may be a pure bandwidth reason given all the quoting. Smoking is too hot a topic, then we have people who turn it into their own little war(s).

What makes you happy ? I don'r care where you go and whether or not you can smoke there, but what makes you happy ? Is your answer 'nothing' ? The phone call that 'she's coming back' ? Finding someone you know in a bar or library or something ? Just what is it that would make you happy ?

We have a saying round here "less unhappy". I am not talking about that. I am talking make you happy.

A new car or house can only make you less unhappy. It cannot make you happy. Want happy ? Raise a child and have them succeed. Hopefully you won't take your immutable pride out on everyone too much.

Or you can invent something.

Or you can write a song that will impel the world to change for the better.

Or you can come up with a breakthrough in alternative energy.

Or you can just be the best person you can be.

Or you can take one of the issues on the fora and quote and bandy opinions about, with no hope of aquiescence, and overload the thread with issues not so relevant, but somewhat relevant, that the thread gets shut down. Quote and quote and quote, as if you are responding to a legal document. Some should post a list of their meds, and if they are too paranoid for that, at least show it to a pharmacist.

And I do know that paranoid people have real enemies.

Point is, what are we doing to improve anything ? Basically, here and elswhere we now know that half of what we were told is bullshit. Because of the internet we have a bit more information. This is not going to change the world overnight. While this is a wonderful thing, being able to communicate in this manner worldwide, all of us must be cognizant of our lifes in the physical world.

We are spending too much time discussing the situation and not putting enough time into what really matters. People, enjoying other people and having them enjoy you. Whether it is holiday company or a midnight rendezvous, a people connection is the best connection.

People are too caught up in their toys, and I don't mean 'those" toys. I mean the SUV, the $2,000 TV, the jacuzzi. Even on a smaller scale, at Christmas, the first thing the kids want to do is play their new game, listen to their new CD and watch their new DVD.

After all you did get them what they wanted rught ?

Realities such as this are precisely why my family does not exchange gifts on holidays. We simply stopped. We exchange gifts when we damn well please. If me and sis are in a store in april and see something,,,,'Ma would really like this', well she gets it.

And, for the environmentalist in you this saves trees. You're just cutting down trees and sending paper out to be burnt.

So, enjoy the PEOPLE in your life, not the toys. You can always buy more toys, but you only go around once with each person.

Enjoy whatever relatives you can get along with, while they are still alive. Don't hold grudges. For anything. I mean it might have been terrible, and yes, demand justice or revenge, but YOU yourself should not hold a grudge. Holding a grudge takes precious energy away from important things.

I think I can embody most of my mindset in four words now.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT

T
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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 2:35:57 AM   
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Good post, T.
 
What makes me happy.... is a woman I care for a great deal. We work together. Every day, when I pull into the parking lot and see her car, I smile. If she's taking time off, I feel a little sorrow. We both have extemely goofy senses of humor, and it's like putting two unfamiliar Swedes on vacation in America together in a room, the relief of having another that speaks your language .....

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 2:54:30 AM   
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People are too caught up in their toys, and I don't mean 'those" toys. I mean the SUV, the $2,000 TV, the jacuzzi. Even on a smaller scale, at Christmas, the first thing the kids want to do is play their new game, listen to their new CD and watch their new DVD.

Enjoy whatever relatives you can get along with, while they are still alive. Don't hold grudges. For anything. I mean it might have been terrible, and yes, demand justice or revenge, but YOU yourself should not hold a grudge. Holding a grudge takes precious energy away from important things.

I think I can embody most of my mindset in four words now.

LIFE IS TOO SHORT

T


Basically, people have options. Either get caught up in the mass advertising and rampant consumerism and end up spending money you don't have on rubbish or ignore it.

A good start would be to stay away from the television and sub-standard newspapers. The images we're fed day in day out come from these sources. In some cases it's obvious and in some cases it's subtle but when a person watches television it is a constant projection of the theme that rampant consumerism is what life is all about.

The responsible thing to do is not to caught caught up in it all. Here, Christmas builds up from June and people are spending money they don't have between June-Dec. Then Easter builds up from Jan and ditto. Then Mothering Sunday, Fathers Day, Guy Fawkes night etc. It's just one big constant procession of multi-nationals saying go and borrow some money, give it to us and we'll give you something you don't need in exchange.

We have a traditional night here called Guy Fawkes which is November 5th. Haloween has never been anywhere near as big as Guy Fawkes night which traditionally had firework displays and the usual stuff you get at gatherings of people. This year the spending on Haloween night dwarfed Guy Fawkes and it was purely because multi-nationals pushed their products through the television etc and people followed like sheep.

There are wider cultural and educational issues in our socities that lead people towards the consumer procession but people can help themselves through simple things like staying away from television advertising.

In terms, of people and holding grudges. I've never held a grudge in my life. I've written off people but that's different. I agree with you wholeheartedly when you say people need people i.e. good friends and family. Humans thrive on human contact and all that comes with it i.e. respect, friendship, love, loyalty. There is not a car or house in this world which can act as a substitute for those things. I'm sure it has been said a million times on this board but it's worth saying again - there are things that we need and then there are things that we want and the wants include life's distortions i.e. flash car/house etc.



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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 6:09:37 AM   
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I like surprise gestures of kindness.
Last week my boss treated me to lunch.  We've been busy and working hard.  When I went to pay her for the lunch she picked up she said "no, my treat."  Four dollars is not a lot of money, but it's the gesture that counts.


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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 6:15:01 AM   
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Alot of things make me happy = )

Seeing my babies play (cats and dogs)
Taking them on a walk around the neighborhood
Getting a great big hug from my Dom
having a really yummy meal infront of me
Getting a phone call from my father

Seeing other people happy
getting back rubs aaaaalways makes me happy
looking at my daughter and just seeing her be her
getting good grades
making some off handed joke and seeing others crack up

i just woke up - so my brain isnt working - but i know i could list a million things that make me happy

i'm really a cheap date when it comes to happy


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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 6:24:11 AM   
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Waking up healthy, being with my children, grandchildren, husband, seeing the flowers I planted bloom, watching a child discover the world, seeing the dolphins swim up and down the shore, watching the birds at the feeders and splashing in the bird bath, being appreciated for the things I do...just a few of the things that make me happy.

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 6:42:01 AM   
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My son did something early this morning that made me really happy.  He woke up saying he had a scary dream, and needed a snuggle.  So, we were laying there in bed, and he says to me, "Let me see you smile so I'm not afraid anymore."  Of course I couldn't help but smile at him, and I guess it worked, because he went back to sleep.

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 7:41:45 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

What makes you happy ?



Having the freedom to be myself.

Sounds simple and trite but when that is taken from you, you realize just how great a thing it can be.

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 7:58:28 AM   
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Along the lines of what owned said. Being loved by those that accept me without reserve and allow me to give that back. Right now I get that from two itty bitty short people and my furry babies.

Nature, just being outside here on my farm.......being. Not thinking about work or whatever is troubling me at the moment in life but focusing on being aware of nature, the sounds smells and sights. It calms me, gives me strength and an inner peace I cannot get any other way.


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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 8:47:51 AM   
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What makes me happy is being in the company of kind caring people, like the people I was with yesterday at the Salvation Army, I had the best time making sandwiches, bagging lunches and meeting some great people. .   Nothing like putting on those rose colored glasses more often than not. If you want a feel good day while at the same time providing a worthy service.  give it a try sometime.    Yep, you can be a real B and still have a morsel of a heart.  And no I'm not a sappy feel good person, so get over it.  I have a collection of hearts and guts stored in my freezer to prove it. 

Other things that bring happiness to me:  The warmth of the sun and feel of the sea water on my body, the sound of the ocean,  when I'm at the beach.

Getting Calls from my daughter, nephew and nieces, especially when they have good news to share.

Spending time with my friends, especially when their not bickering so I have to decide to spend the holiday elsewhere..  grrrrrr.  I still love em.

Coming here reading the words of some of my favorite posters time and time again.  And it always brings a smile when we exchange a word or two.

Rosa


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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 9:03:14 AM   
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I like good friends.
I'm not much on "family" almost all my aunts, uncles, cousins are or were a pack of bastards. I only speak to one of my four siblings anymore.
A couple of them owe me a lot of money and the only way I'll ever get it is if they die first and I have my lawyer sue their estates.
One of them is a complete bum so I'll probably never see a penny from him.
You can choose good friends though!
People who you care about and like.

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 11:47:49 AM   
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We watched RV with Robin Williiams last night. I think one great point it made is that modern society has lost contact with the good things that come with "togetherness", everyones so caught up in doing their own thing so that even when together with other people they aren't actually communicating or appreciating relationship. There was one scene in particular that showed this point well. The family was in a camper van travelling along, each listening to their personal walkman and singing out loud at the same time the different types of music they were listening to, it was very unharmonious.

What makes me happy? Connection/Relationship, it could simply be exchanging a smile with someone on the street.

(Btw I think our TV was $3k)

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 11:57:37 AM   
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I call my good friends "chosen family". I have a job that comes with alot of unavoidable stress and I am unavailable for a half hour after work, even to them. I take my shoes off even before my coat. If the phone rings I do not even look at it.

After that half hour my mind has slowed down and I am ready for socializing. Actually I am not a total hermit for a half, if someone has car trouble or something like that I can deal with it, but if you want the happy jovial Termy it ain't gonna happen for a half hour after I get home from work.

And it's the job, not the people. They do as much as they can to cooperate. The nature of the work is frustration. The people at work make me less unhappy whenever they can.

The people on the freeway on the way home are another story. The on ramp is treacherous, and drivers are cutthroat. Except for the incompetent ones of course. As perverse as it may be, when I see someone driving like a real asshole I get a bit less unhappy when I see them in a wreck down the road. I hope nobody is injured, but the idiot who caused it should have to go through the incomvenience of having to get his (her ?, no, let's not go there) car towed and fixed, or have to find another car. No, I don't want to see them get hurt, and though I don't appreciate the jamup they caused, they will be there alot longer than I :-).

Even a glorious success at work also only makes me less unhappy. Making me happy takes a bit more doing. Inreacting with kids, hanging around with friends busting each others' balls, seeing those who previously didn't get along start to find some common ground.

Of course I use the phrase 'make me' happy or unhappy loosely. People make themselves happy or unhappy, but do so based on external circumstances. One can isolate themselves. Sometimes one is in such a good mood they can swear "nothing is going to wreck my day today" and short of a loved one getting hurt or dying they are right. Then sometimes one is in such a bad mood nothing will help. They just have to get over it. They will be fine later on, leave them alone for a bit. Other times you need to act as a sounding board, reserving judgement and suggestions for later. Let them calm down first.

As far as consumerism, mentioned not only by me, I am not into it. I never shop, I go to get things I need. Rarely do I buy anything I hadn't planned on, and if I do it was a hell of a good deal.

When I see someone's profile and it says likes or lives for : auctions, flea markets, garage sales, I know this is someone looking for a deal. I am all for that, but just going shopping at the Megamart for the newest plastic junk is not for me. Standing in line to get the new Platstation  3 is absurd to me.

In fact someone got shot recently when a couple of hoods decided to rob the people in line. This guy refused to fork over his money. As precious as the look on the kids' faces may be when they open up the PS3, the idiot might not be there to ever see it again. Perspective.

Now it is one thing to refuse a robber if you have the physical prowess to disarm the robber(s). Hint : if you get shot, you didn't. Actually I don't understand the whole thing. If you have say 100 people and two guys with guns can pretty much rob them all, there is something wrong. Had I been there yes I would fork over the money, and as the robbers went collecting down the line I would get about 4 or 5 other people together and jump them. They can't cover us all, and with a concerted effort we can get their guns and either use them on them, or use them to hold the miscreants at bay pending arrival of the police.

Of course if someone in the line would've had a gun it would've gone a bit different, but then if they're brainwashed enough to take all that time off work to stand in line at all hours to get a toy, I doubt they would, or maybe even should carry a gun. They might take to shooting each other. If people put things in perspective we wouldn't have to worry about any of this.

Before I was enlightened, that is back when I was an idiot, I got myself into alot of jamups. At times I was so depressed I did indeed take the .357 out and contemplated it's use on myself. I obviously didn't, why ? What it would do to other people. If someone killed me they would really wreck the lives of a few people. If I was the one who did it, it's like I kicked them in the balls. I didn't call any hotline or seek out anything. But through quiet comtemplation with the means to my end readily available, reality set in.

That was a major stepping stone, and it was a very long time ago. I learned that, in a way, we are here for each other. Yes, look out for number one, but you are not an island. How could I possibly voluntarily fail to outlive my Parents ? That became unconcionable to me. I knew people who have lost kids, and this is simply too much to do to those who gave me life.

I learned that if you make people happy, or more aptly put, help them to make themselves happy, they will reciprocate. Some have to hit rock bottom to learn this. Others never learn it.

Perspective is not only how you look at the world e.g. positive or negative stance. It is also being able to step outside yourself and see a little bit of the bigger picture.

To see the bigger picture you need the right perspective.

T

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 4:32:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

I call my good friends "chosen family". I have a job that comes with alot of unavoidable stress and I am unavailable for a half hour after work, even to them. I take my shoes off even before my coat. If the phone rings I do not even look at it.

After that half hour my mind has slowed down and I am ready for socializing. Actually I am not a total hermit for a half, if someone has car trouble or something like that I can deal with it, but if you want the happy jovial Termy it ain't gonna happen for a half hour after I get home from work.

And it's the job, not the people. They do as much as they can to cooperate. The nature of the work is frustration. The people at work make me less unhappy whenever they can.

The people on the freeway on the way home are another story. The on ramp is treacherous, and drivers are cutthroat. Except for the incompetent ones of course. As perverse as it may be, when I see someone driving like a real asshole I get a bit less unhappy when I see them in a wreck down the road. I hope nobody is injured, but the idiot who caused it should have to go through the incomvenience of having to get his (her ?, no, let's not go there) car towed and fixed, or have to find another car. No, I don't want to see them get hurt, and though I don't appreciate the jamup they caused, they will be there alot longer than I :-).

Even a glorious success at work also only makes me less unhappy. Making me happy takes a bit more doing. Inreacting with kids, hanging around with friends busting each others' balls, seeing those who previously didn't get along start to find some common ground.

Of course I use the phrase 'make me' happy or unhappy loosely. People make themselves happy or unhappy, but do so based on external circumstances. One can isolate themselves. Sometimes one is in such a good mood they can swear "nothing is going to wreck my day today" and short of a loved one getting hurt or dying they are right. Then sometimes one is in such a bad mood nothing will help. They just have to get over it. They will be fine later on, leave them alone for a bit. Other times you need to act as a sounding board, reserving judgement and suggestions for later. Let them calm down first.

As far as consumerism, mentioned not only by me, I am not into it. I never shop, I go to get things I need. Rarely do I buy anything I hadn't planned on, and if I do it was a hell of a good deal.

When I see someone's profile and it says likes or lives for : auctions, flea markets, garage sales, I know this is someone looking for a deal. I am all for that, but just going shopping at the Megamart for the newest plastic junk is not for me. Standing in line to get the new Platstation  3 is absurd to me.

In fact someone got shot recently when a couple of hoods decided to rob the people in line. This guy refused to fork over his money. As precious as the look on the kids' faces may be when they open up the PS3, the idiot might not be there to ever see it again. Perspective.

Now it is one thing to refuse a robber if you have the physical prowess to disarm the robber(s). Hint : if you get shot, you didn't. Actually I don't understand the whole thing. If you have say 100 people and two guys with guns can pretty much rob them all, there is something wrong. Had I been there yes I would fork over the money, and as the robbers went collecting down the line I would get about 4 or 5 other people together and jump them. They can't cover us all, and with a concerted effort we can get their guns and either use them on them, or use them to hold the miscreants at bay pending arrival of the police.

Of course if someone in the line would've had a gun it would've gone a bit different, but then if they're brainwashed enough to take all that time off work to stand in line at all hours to get a toy, I doubt they would, or maybe even should carry a gun. They might take to shooting each other. If people put things in perspective we wouldn't have to worry about any of this.

Before I was enlightened, that is back when I was an idiot, I got myself into alot of jamups. At times I was so depressed I did indeed take the .357 out and contemplated it's use on myself. I obviously didn't, why ? What it would do to other people. If someone killed me they would really wreck the lives of a few people. If I was the one who did it, it's like I kicked them in the balls. I didn't call any hotline or seek out anything. But through quiet comtemplation with the means to my end readily available, reality set in.

That was a major stepping stone, and it was a very long time ago. I learned that, in a way, we are here for each other. Yes, look out for number one, but you are not an island. How could I possibly voluntarily fail to outlive my Parents ? That became unconcionable to me. I knew people who have lost kids, and this is simply too much to do to those who gave me life.

I learned that if you make people happy, or more aptly put, help them to make themselves happy, they will reciprocate. Some have to hit rock bottom to learn this. Others never learn it.

Perspective is not only how you look at the world e.g. positive or negative stance. It is also being able to step outside yourself and see a little bit of the bigger picture.

To see the bigger picture you need the right perspective.

T


Termyn8or,

You talk of work and being happy. I was lucky enough for the penny to drop around my late 20s. I'd done very well for myself at a young age, earning very good money and a successful career ahead of me in finance. Dare I say I stepped over a few people to get where I wanted to be and I worked in an office full of people all doing the same, desperate to earn a wheel-barrow load of money to spend on the stylistic items that life has to offer. Around 28 I began to think what the fuck am I doing? It was all a load of bollocks. People working 75 hours+ a week and I mean proper grafting from the minute getting in and the minute leaving the office. Everyone stressed to the eyeballs for the sake of a £300k house which they were never in anyway because they were either at work or socialising/networking in the pub.

Since then, I've moved away from that. I now earn a decent living but also chase a passion I have which is managing business development and enabling people economically and socially (for local Government).

The point to this? Self-interest will never bring anyone happiness. The reason being, we're sociable animals. As humans we need the four things I mentioned earlier - friendship, love, loyalty, respect - self-interest is blatantly mutually exclusive to the aforementioned. In my opinion, anyone bogged down in self-interest will never have true friends as friendship requires a degree of selflessness. This comes back to your point that "if you make people happy they reciprocate". It is a pre-requisite for being on this planet - even a burrow owl aims to make another burrow owl happy. This is primarily where my political viewpoint comes from i.e. my values - I personally would rather live in a society which co-operated as a society rather than a free-for-all, survival of the fittest culture steeped in self-interest. It follows that, to achieve this, we need a society based on mutual co-operation and a Government creating and upholding laws towards co-operation.

The Britain I live in today - our economy is thriving (although some are cut off from this). Yet, I see a lot of unhappy people. You can see it in their eyes, they don't understand why they're unhappy because on the face of it they have everything they want. What they haven't worked out is that wants aren't needs. The use of anti-depressants is going through the roof in Britain - as a nation we have the highest wealth gap in Western Europe, the highest use of anti-depressants and the highest serious crime rates. It's staring people in the face that creating a society based on individualism which leads to haves and have nots is unhealthy for the well being of society. Humans need community rather than individualism to make them happy.





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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 7:20:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Termyn8or

Just what is it that would make you happy ?

LIFE IS TOO SHORT

T


What maks me happy or i should say grateful is the fact that i can walk after 2 years of intense therapy, due to an auto accident (wasn't my fault-honest! ~grin) and the doctors telling me i may never walk or walk properly again.  i don't take anything about my ability to move about, for granted.
 
Watching my children grow, being able to enjoy nature and fresh air, being able to find beauty in every day surroundings. 
 
Laughing with my family and friends, who are also loved and treated as my family.
 
Meeting a man who will recognize in me, what he has inside of himself.
 
Ah....too many thoughts are coming to my mind now...so will stop here with these simple ones. ~smile
 
Just to share, that i have found that it is more difficult for me to feel unhappy, when i am busy focusing on being grateful for, and happy with what i have right in front of me. `smile
 
Just a short list so i do not take to much advantage of the "scroll" feature. ~wink

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 7:33:09 PM   
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What makes me happy?

Seeing the understanding on my teenager's face when she comes to a realization on her own.
Watching her become a mature adult; little by little
Hearing her laughter
Hearing the words " I love you too mom"
Getting a hug and kiss from her even though she is highly embarassed to be giving one in front of her friends

That's what makes me happy

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 9:05:58 PM   
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As much as I don't agree with this particular example, it has been said :

An avid music lover is so avid because he is not getting what he wants.

I cannot agree, but I see the point. The people with the PS3s now will be OK until the PS4 comes out. Rampant consumerism is at it's peak in the US right now. A couple years ago there was a commercial, and though I can't remember what it was for, it had a guy driving in a convertible with a box, let's say it said Mark 5 on it. He's got his arm on the box and tapping it, almost petting it until he comes up to a billboard that says "Come check out the all new Mark 6 !" His expression turns to one that looks like he is sitting next to a pile of dog shit.

Very very rarely have I seen this expressed in a comercial ad, or anything like it. To me it is a clear indictent of consumerism.  

Thing is though, with the sheer volume of ads in this country they need to get creative. Over the years they have excelled at it. They actually get people to watch the Superbowl even if they hate football, to see the commercials. And they are good too. It is kind of an unofficial championship for the scriptwriters.

I did not originate the statement about the music lover, but it makes sense. You have people trying to fill a need with something which does not fill the need. So while I do not think it is the best metaphor I do agree with the idea.

The same can really be said for any irrational affinity for anything, be it metal plastic or even flesh. If the need remains unfulfilled, the need remains. Psychologically I believe this is at the root of most obsessive, compulsive and addictive behaviour in people.

There is alot more to psychology too, and I'm no stranger to it. Let's take another 'perspective' at this point shall we ?

An old Man chides a youngster for wearing his hair long.

Add this : Did you notice the old dude was bald ? Now NG I am obviously not referring to you, you are probably bald by choice. I could be wrong, but very few pople are that bald just from losing hair. To me, deciding to shave your head is like being a nudist in a way. And some people just look good bald. I don't think I would, but that's me.

I'm talking about a guy with male pattern baldness, bad enough that he wears a hat inside sometimes. Even in his fifties or so he still has an insecurity having to do with his looks. He feels it makes hin look old. So in dismissing the attractiveness of hair (on the right person ) he declares it wrong. Only girls have long hair. That's a bunch of crap too. Browse pictures and you'll find Women with their head partly shaved, and when we start talking about piercing, well let's not.

Point is that people have all kinds of motivations for doing what they do, hidden even from themselves. I, myself, took the media out of the picture a long time ago. My TV is going to last a very long time, except when I use it as an aux computer monitor it sees very little use. After the noise from that subsided I had time to think.

I psychoanalysed myself. I thought about the past and wrongs I have done, and for the first time, without any duress or pressure of any kind, truly regretted my wrongs.

Now logic kicks in. I don't believe in any deititic redemption so I am saddled with my sins. Now I prefer not to throw more fuel on the fire.  Logic can move mountains.

Now that you got me started here.... I referred to the old Star Trek other times, do you remember Mr Spock ? One day a friend asked if I had any heroes, and said I had none, which is true. I do not idolize fictional characters and never have, even when young. But the closest thing I can think of is a character who saved the Earth a half dozen times, the galaxy twice (or was it thrice ?) and the whole universe at least once. All this because he kept a cool head in times of chaos and crises. Yup, that's the closest thing I got. Mr Spock.

Speaking rationally we bantered about deer population, what of human population ? Do we have to be starved to the point where we all need to become animals just to survive ? Have we lived and grown all these millenia just to fall down like that ? Just like that ? Do we get back to dog eat dog instead of cooperation ?

Tell you what, if things continue down their path of today, you might wake up someday not liking your........................................................................

perspective.

T

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 9:21:46 PM   
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raiken and Kalira;

You got the e-version of the proverbial 'word in edgewise'.

Anyway, both of you in your own way have achueved what most of us want, lemmee see there is a word for it ummmm,,,ummm,,,ummm,,,

SUCCESS.

And I wish you more of it.

T

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 9:30:31 PM   
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"Humans need community rather than individualism to make them happy. "

No NG, I think we need both. A community with no individuality acts pretty much like cells of a battery. Oh, wait, that is what the multinationals want us to be right ?

Individuality and community can coexist, it has for a long time, otherwise we would not be here.

T

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RE: Perspective - 11/19/2006 9:55:26 PM   
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Well, I had a nice well-thought out post made, and when I tried to post it the server went down long enough to get rid of it.  Ah well, such is the way of things.  Here's the gist of it...

There are really very few things that make me truly happy in the "not just less unhappy" sense anymore.  Maybe it's because I've gotten older and more jaded.  Maybe it's because I've seen more of life than I had when I was younger.  Maybe it's because I pretty much know what I can expect from here on out, with a few exceptions.  The only things that make me truly happy are seeing my son smile, long intelligent conversations, and those moments when my husband and I really connect on that deeply spiritual level.  The first two happen frequently enough to keep me relatively sane, outwardly happy, and well-balanced.  The latter happens all too rarely, but that makes it that much more intense when it does happen.

It's not that I'm an unhappy person, not at all.  It just takes more to give me that happy-go-lucky, intense true happiness.  Everything else is just frivolous amusement.  I love reading, playing cards, hanging out with my friends, grabbing a good cup of coffee, taking long baths, drinking and grabbing diner food while I'm smashed, all kinds of things really.  But it's just pleasant.  It all just fills the void between those moments of true happiness.  Sure, it makes life more tolerable, more fun, but without it I'm not going to lead an unhappy life.

Isn't it funny how when you were a teenager it took less to make you really happy?  Hell, going camping with friends would send me into a state of near-ecstatic bliss.  Now it takes so much more.  I wouldn't change a thing about my life, but it would be so nice to be able to get that excited about the small things now and have it live up to potential.

Edited to add:  I'm not really depressed.  I promise.  Life's just changed drastically and I'm adjusting the best I can. 

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