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MagiksSlave -> Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 12:12:03 PM)

OK at the club the other night I was watching over my Master as he submitted to a Domme (He is a switch) I was dooing my mother bear ruiteen and this other Dom walks up to me and says he wants to paddle me. I gestured to My Master bare butt in the air and said I am owend you have to ask him.. he had the nerve to turn to me and say "Well he isnt a very Domly position is he" I told him "he is a switch do you have a problem with that"
he then told me I should be with a real Dom.. OMG I almost punched him bit instead I walked around to the other side of Master so I could keep an eye without beeing near the offensive humaniod...

So Master WHY??? why do it why try and take what isnt yours and then when you dont get it throw a fit??

Has any other Master or switch been in a similar situation???

Magik's slave



Archer -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 12:30:10 PM)

Swithes are unfortunatly the most misunderstood people in the life.
My reply would have been something more along the lines of
"Damn just my luck, don't suppose he gave you any freedom to play before he went under did he?
No Well hell, LOL,

Would you please find me and let me know when he is available to dicuss this?

OR

Any Idea how long before he'll be available to ask him?



Lashra -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 12:34:02 PM)

As a Domme it sounds to me as if this other "Dom" doesn't quite have a grasp of what the word dominance means. Just because your Master chooses to submit to another does not make him any less dominant with you. You two have your own dynamic and as long as it works for you both, an outsiders opinion should not matter.

He was rude and simply trying to plant doubt in your mind regarding your Master. Also when you didn't react to his advances his ego was hurt and so he had to lash out in someway in order to hurt you. What better way to do that then when your Master can't hear what he has said?  Sounds rather cowardly doesn't it? What makes a good Master in your mind? Someone who walks around rudely critizing the way others live their lives and manage their lifestyles or one that takes care of his relationship and tends to his own needs openly without feeling the need to hide them?

I'd say forget this rude guy, but do make sure your Master is aware of what happened just in case this slimeball comes around again.

Good luck,
~Lashra




MagiksSlave -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 12:35:34 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Archer

Swithes are unfortunatly the most misunderstood people in the life.
My reply would have been something more along the lines of
"Damn just my luck, don't suppose he gave you any freedom to play before he went under did he?
No Well hell, LOL,

Would you please find me and let me know when he is available to dicuss this?

OR

Any Idea how long before he'll be available to ask him?



I have to say Id be to busy giggles to get mad at that...

and if he would have been as respectfull as to ask me nicely I wouldnt have been creeped out and have to walk away from him.... But then again many have had trouble with this man I found out he had given Master a hard time a while back befor we even met.. And at the time of this interaction I hadnt realised but I knew he looked fumiliar he is the guy that followed me around my very first time at the club and because of him and the DOm I was with at the time i wound up beeing terrafied and not going back to the club for over  a year ((I was held down and paddled naked against my will))

it took a lot of straingth for me not to kick his butt ones I remebered who he was!!!

Magik's slave



LadyHugs -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:01:46 PM)

Dear MagiksSlave, Ladies and Gentlemen;
 
As Master Archer mentioned, being "SWITCH" is understood as taking up both sides of the whip. 
 
Being from a time where "SWITCH" meant more of a long flexible ouchy branch straight off the tree; and slave to Master was a period in between called "Phasing."  It was also, strictly Master/Mistress-slave titles then.  It was during the "Phasing" where slaves exploring their dominant side for a year, could either continue on as Master in Training or return to the slave status without being seen as a 'player.'
I come from those times.
 
Now days, things are totally different.  Yet, there are writings out and about in print, books, web sites and the like; which offer the old ways of doing things.  Some are purests in their mind's eyes.  That is not to say that there are those who wouldn't mind more uniformed practices return but, also understand how SWITCHING can be a multi-dimentional relationship. 
 
In addressing the purest, to which no SWITCHING is practiced; I often refer to the ancient futal Japanese sense of D/s in the military vein of the Code of Bushudo.  It is no different from a Shogun, who serves an Emperor, often doing tasks as a servant and not always a warrior.  That Shogun has dominion over Ninja, to which can be seen as his servants.  Nobody questioned the mastery of either the Emperor or the Shogun in those days.  Perhaps history of the Code of Bushudo teaches that D/s can happen in many levels; to include SWITCHING.
 
As far as the comments of being "a Real Dominant/Master" -- well lass, it is all perception.  We, in a general sense have a idea of what a Master/Dominant is and or acts like.  Most times, that idea and or perception is not disappointed.  There are times when it is.
 
I also wish to add, that at times--individuals say things that can be taken as a concern and or an insult.  It depends on individual's listening and their mood/emotion long before that person utters the words challenging the standing of a Master/slave in your personal space.  Sometimes the assumption creates a skewed/altered conclusion totally different from the intent of the one uttering their words.  Hyper sensitivities can make things more negative then intended.
 
Respectfully submitted for consideration,
Lady Hugs



Padriag -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:37:41 PM)

Not having been there to hear tones of voice or see body language there is much I don't know so I'm reading the following at face value and simply offering a different perspective.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

.. he had the nerve to turn to me and say "Well he isnt a very Domly position is he"

Taken at face value, and considering the that as you say your master had his butt in the air at the time, the statement is actually a factual observation.  Indeed he wasn't exactly in a very "domly" position at the time.  Such a statement in and of itself is not insulting, could be humorous, and certainly was a valid observation.

Again, not having been there I don't know how it was said, but realize tone of voice and body language could change the meaning from a simple humorous observation to a genuine insult.

My point is this, was the person initially intending to be rude or did you possibly overreact?  I ask because I put myself in this person's shoes (as best I could given the limited information) just trying to see both possible sides and it struck me that had I asked to play with someone and then was told she belonged to a guy with his butt in the air, I might have made such a remark in humor myself.  And had that person then reacted with hostility, probably would have become hostile myself. 

On the other hand, it could have been someone with a bad attitude.  I can see it going either way.  Thus my question is, in retrospect, is it possible it was a misunderstanding?  Consider it food for thought.



stef -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:40:47 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

In addressing the purest, to which no SWITCHING is practiced; I often refer to the ancient futal Japanese sense of D/s in the military vein of the Code of Bushudo.  It is no different from a Shogun, who serves an Emperor, often doing tasks as a servant and not always a warrior.  That Shogun has dominion over Ninja, to which can be seen as his servants.  Nobody questioned the mastery of either the Emperor or the Shogun in those days.  Perhaps history of the Code of Bushudo teaches that D/s can happen in many levels; to include SWITCHING.

Egads, I don't even know where to begin.  Please strongly consider doing a little more research on Bushido, feudal Japan and the relationships between the social classes of that time before trying to use them as a means to illustrate your point. 

~stef



LuckyAlbatross -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:46:50 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag
Indeed he wasn't exactly in a very "domly" position at the time.  Such a statement in and of itself is not insulting, could be humorous, and certainly was a valid observation.

I agree that there is a kernel of possiblity that this could have been done humorously.  However, I can only imagine it would have been if someone were being very dumb at the time and really had no clue how many ways that would NOT be taken well.  Considering he was attempting to fetch a new girl to play with- it just wasn't the smart way to go about it, even IF all intentions were completely innocent.

Going that vein, the right thing would be to look at him with a completely puzzled look on your face and say that he couldn't possibly have meant that to come across as it ridiculous as it sounded and allow him an opportunity to restate what he meant.




MagiksSlave -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:50:27 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Padriag

Not having been there to hear tones of voice or see body language there is much I don't know so I'm reading the following at face value and simply offering a different perspective.

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

.. he had the nerve to turn to me and say "Well he isnt a very Domly position is he"

Taken at face value, and considering the that as you say your master had his butt in the air at the time, the statement is actually a factual observation.  Indeed he wasn't exactly in a very "domly" position at the time.  Such a statement in and of itself is not insulting, could be humorous, and certainly was a valid observation.

Again, not having been there I don't know how it was said, but realize tone of voice and body language could change the meaning from a simple humorous observation to a genuine insult.

My point is this, was the person initially intending to be rude or did you possibly overreact?  I ask because I put myself in this person's shoes (as best I could given the limited information) just trying to see both possible sides and it struck me that had I asked to play with someone and then was told she belonged to a guy with his butt in the air, I might have made such a remark in humor myself.  And had that person then reacted with hostility, probably would have become hostile myself. 

On the other hand, it could have been someone with a bad attitude.  I can see it going either way.  Thus my question is, in retrospect, is it possible it was a misunderstanding?  Consider it food for thought.


OK Sir lemme clear it up a little bettter.. he said it in a very condisending nasty way that I didnt apreaciate... I was not rude to him infact I very politely asked if he had a problem with my Master switching i also then informed him it was OUR relationship and not really his busyness to judge it.

Magik's slave



Rover -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:54:46 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

In addressing the purest, to which no SWITCHING is practiced; I often refer to the ancient futal Japanese sense of D/s in the military vein of the Code of Bushudo.  It is no different from a Shogun, who serves an Emperor, often doing tasks as a servant and not always a warrior.  That Shogun has dominion over Ninja, to which can be seen as his servants.  Nobody questioned the mastery of either the Emperor or the Shogun in those days.  Perhaps history of the Code of Bushudo teaches that D/s can happen in many levels; to include SWITCHING.

Egads, I don't even know where to begin.  Please strongly consider doing a little more research on Bushido, feudal Japan and the relationships between the social classes of that time before trying to use them as a means to illustrate your point. 

~stef


It's pointless, stef.  She Googles a topic, then regurgitates it in hopes that it has some relevance to the thread.  Often it has no relevance at all.  Often it isn't understood when read, and full of factual errors when retold.  Often it seems disjointed, because it's a series of copies and pastes from unrelated websites. 
 
Nearly always it's a mind boggling impossibility to wade through it without dismissing it all out of hand.
 
John



MagiksSlave -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 1:57:44 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Rover

quote:

ORIGINAL: stef

quote:

ORIGINAL: LadyHugs

In addressing the purest, to which no SWITCHING is practiced; I often refer to the ancient futal Japanese sense of D/s in the military vein of the Code of Bushudo.  It is no different from a Shogun, who serves an Emperor, often doing tasks as a servant and not always a warrior.  That Shogun has dominion over Ninja, to which can be seen as his servants.  Nobody questioned the mastery of either the Emperor or the Shogun in those days.  Perhaps history of the Code of Bushudo teaches that D/s can happen in many levels; to include SWITCHING.

Egads, I don't even know where to begin.  Please strongly consider doing a little more research on Bushido, feudal Japan and the relationships between the social classes of that time before trying to use them as a means to illustrate your point. 

~stef


It's pointless, stef.  She Googles a topic, then regurgitates it in hopes that it has some relevance to the thread.  Often it has no relevance at all.  Often it isn't understood when read, and full of factual errors when retold.  Often it seems disjointed, because it's a series of copies and pastes from unrelated websites. 
 
Nearly always it's a mind boggling impossibility to wade through it without dismissing it all out of hand.
 
John


Oh yes I can see where flaiming Lady hugss is pertanent to my problem!!

Magik's slave



slaveMastery -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 2:00:41 PM)

Magik's slave:

I generally would tend to agree with Padriag in always providing one with the benefit of the doubt and, in this particular case, crediting them with the honorable intention of attempting themselves at a dabbling in impromptu stand-up. I still point at the situational context of a girl deferring to her Master as the One to provide permission for her paddling. This deferrence for obtaining permission was answered with a comment that could have only served the purpose of belittling the girl's Master and his authority.

As a truly Dominant of heart and spirit, this individual should have been supportive and complimenting of the girl's loyalty to her Master - regardless of his position at the time. Trying to subvert a girl's purity of dedication to her Master is not a very "Dom thing" to do.

I commend Magik's slave on her resolve and as an answer to her "why" - and can only wonder as to whether yet another poser had found his way into the club.

Be well,

Randy



KnightofMists -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 2:13:43 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

So Master WHY??? why do it why try and take what isnt yours and then when you dont get it throw a fit??

Has any other Master or switch been in a similar situation???

Magik's slave


Why do you label this joker as a Master?  Why recognize him as anything more than a rude and disrespectful person?

But... I suppose if there is going to be individuals that acknowledge these jokers as a Master of some sort.. then these so called Masters will continue to do these things....

Frankly,  I do not see a Master as doing such an act... but I do see alot of rude and disrepectful individuals doing it. 



Tikkiee -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 2:14:03 PM)

I would have punched him.
 
But then, that's just me [8D]



MagiksSlave -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 2:19:00 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: KnightofMists

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

So Master WHY??? why do it why try and take what isnt yours and then when you dont get it throw a fit??

Has any other Master or switch been in a similar situation???

Magik's slave


Why do you label this joker as a Master?  Why recognize him as anything more than a rude and disrespectful person?

But... I suppose if there is going to be individuals that acknowledge these jokers as a Master of some sort.. then these so called Masters will continue to do these things....

Frankly,  I do not see a Master as doing such an act... but I do see alot of rude and disrepectful individuals doing it. 


Sorry Sir I was adress you all as Masters I left out the S.. I by no means see this man as anything more then a creep as I said he was very abuseive to me in the past so even like some have said here giveing him the benafit of the doubt there was no doubt this guy is a jerk and the secent I realisde who he was (While i was standing there defending my Master) I wanted to kick him in the balls...

Sorry though because refering to that man as a Master is a disrespctfull thing to do for all of you Masters here!!

Magik's slave



juliaoceania -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 4:09:57 PM)

Did you consider going to the dungeon master and asking they have a talk with him?

I probably would have looked him up and down like he was some disgusting insect I could easily crush with my shoe and turn my back on him... a look I perfected from my cocktail waitress days when drunk men would make crude comments to me and I could not do anything about it.



MagiksSlave -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 4:27:10 PM)

bsss
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Did you consider going to the dungeon master and asking they have a talk with him?

I probably would have looked him up and down like he was some disgusting insect I could easily crush with my shoe and turn my back on him... a look I perfected from my cocktail waitress days when drunk men would make crude comments to me and I could not do anything about it.


I didnt go to the DM.. I dont even know if their is one at Paddles as the owner is always their with his girls.. but Im the shy sort that isnt good with takeing problems to the power that be they make me nervouse... I would also feel bad if the giy got in trouble dont ask why even if someone has done something bad to me i dont like to see them in trouble.., my head is screwed on wrong I think!!

Magik's slave



LaMspeach -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 5:11:05 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

OK at the club the other night I was watching over my Master as he submitted to a Domme (He is a switch) I was dooing my mother bear ruiteen and this other Dom walks up to me and says he wants to paddle me. I gestured to My Master bare butt in the air and said I am owend you have to ask him.. he had the nerve to turn to me and say "Well he isnt a very Domly position is he" I told him "he is a switch do you have a problem with that"
he then told me I should be with a real Dom.. OMG I almost punched him bit instead I walked around to the other side of Master so I could keep an eye without beeing near the offensive humaniod...

So Master WHY??? why do it why try and take what isnt yours and then when you dont get it throw a fit??

Has any other Master or switch been in a similar situation???

Magik's slave


Magiksslave

I think you did a good job of getting yourself out of an uncomfortable situation. You walked away, which in my eyes shows you as the bigger person. You don't need to stand and listen to anyone bad mouth your Master or anyone for that matter. If you don't feel comfortable with going to some one in charge that is ok, a lot of people don't. 



juliaoceania -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 6:00:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave

bsss
quote:

ORIGINAL: juliaoceania

Did you consider going to the dungeon master and asking they have a talk with him?

I probably would have looked him up and down like he was some disgusting insect I could easily crush with my shoe and turn my back on him... a look I perfected from my cocktail waitress days when drunk men would make crude comments to me and I could not do anything about it.


I didnt go to the DM.. I dont even know if their is one at Paddles as the owner is always their with his girls.. but Im the shy sort that isnt good with takeing problems to the power that be they make me nervouse... I would also feel bad if the giy got in trouble dont ask why even if someone has done something bad to me i dont like to see them in trouble.., my head is screwed on wrong I think!!

Magik's slave


I can understand your shyness, even though I am not shy I would hesitate myself. I am sure this individual thinks nothing of disrespecting other dynamics as well, and people like that should be reminded of how to behave themselves. I think LaMspeach is right, you conducted yourself with class, and kudos to you! I just do not like to hear of people getting away with being so rude.



slavejali -> RE: Disrepecting my Master (11/20/2006 6:39:49 PM)

I've got nothing to say on the dynamics that played other than to say, "That guy seems like a loser." In regards to anyone disrespecting my Master in any way, I would tear them to shreds.



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