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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 2:42:46 PM   
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I have to say most Atheists I have met in real life were among the most moral and ethical people I have ever met. 


And they do this without dependence on a book of code to fall back on.  It is within.



What, their dicks grow on the inside?

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 2:55:05 PM   
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i prefer "idontcareism"...LOL


6% of Britons do have a God they pray to - Britney Spears.

Extract taken from a US article on a British Mori poll:

When Elgood's firm asked the British to name an 'inspirational' figure, Jesus finished at the bottom.
The Mori poll found that 65 percent of Britons named Nelson Mandela, 14 percent picked Prime Minister Tony Blair, 10 percent said 'none of the above', and six percent said Britney Spears. Astonishingly, only one percent named Jesus Christ as an inspirational figure.
 
I can't remember Britney Spears in the book of revelations but maybe I wasn't giving it the required attention.
 
 

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 3:31:27 PM   
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agnostic and athiest are actually not the same thing, athiest believe there is no religion nothing to believe in, where as agnostics believe there is a religion but and a greater being but without proof of that being they won't put faith in it. so both are something you can believe in greatly so it is posible for someone to live for that


Hello A/all,

A nihilist is somebody who believes in nothing.

An athiest is somebody who does not believe in God.

A monothiest is somebody who believes in God as a singularity.

A polythiest is somebody who believes in a multitude of God/desses

An agnostic is one who says the jury is out on the whole God question.  In other words, they dont specifically believe or disbelieve in the whole God thing.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 3:35:23 PM   
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Imagine the fun at my house:

One son = monothiest
One son = agnostic


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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 3:45:30 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: lulu346

agnostic and athiest are actually not the same thing, athiest believe there is no religion nothing to believe in, where as agnostics believe there is a religion but and a greater being but without proof of that being they won't put faith in it. so both are something you can believe in greatly so it is posible for someone to live for that


Hello A/all,

A nihilist is somebody who believes in nothing.

An athiest is somebody who does not believe in God.

A monothiest is somebody who believes in God as a singularity.

A polythiest is somebody who believes in a multitude of God/desses

An agnostic is one who says the jury is out on the whole God question.  In other words, they dont specifically believe or disbelieve in the whole God thing.

Just me, could be wrong, but there you go.

Sinergy


There are also Deists, Pantheists, Animists, and I am sure plenty of others.

Also, just to point out, there are certainly zealous fundementalists besides just Christians and aetheists.

fergus

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 4:41:28 PM   
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First of all, I want to say that I have the exact same picture of Puss in Boots on my desktop as michaelOfGeorgia has as is avatar.

Now I only have "Loves it" for Atheism and Agnosticism, but I do consider myself a militant atheist both socially and politically. This means I go out of my way to hunt down those specific bozos like Fred Phelps, Scott Minnich, The American Family Association (The KKK of the Homosexuals), and all the other ultra-whackjob christian organizations out there and make sure they know, without a shadow of a doubt, that there is at least one person out there that willingly pisses on their irrational value system.

Usually I wont target the average church goer unles they do something to really piss me off.. like say, promoting Creationism or saying "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve". Anything like that will put you square in my crosshairs and not make me regret for an instance that I am going to strip away your spiritual faith like old varnish.

For example, a college professor named Scott Minnich, who I mentioned earlier, gained a little popularity when he took the stand for Creationism in Pennsylvania last year. Basically his testimony included such nuggets as "Science looks down upon us because we are the minority" and "The "creator" suggested by Intelligent Design is left up to the individual."

So I looked up the idiot's email address and sent the following email to him.

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To Scott Minnich,

Today you claimed, on the stand, that Intelligent Design was based in science and that whoever the "creator" was, was based on individual philosophy. While it is a popular opinion among creationists, I am curious to know how you defend that this notion holds water in regards to scientific responsibility.

You have done extensive and impressive research in the field of microbiology along the same deductive reasoning of Behe, but I am curious how you can suggest that even if Darwin and evolution are found to be, at the least, incomplete, that your notions of intelligent design are somehow valid or even accurate by default?

It seems to me that your notion of intelligent design is not based on science, but rather what appears to be, at the most, a lack of science. These concepts are not the same thing, Scott. Without direct validation for your notions rather than attempts to indirectly invalidate current, more supported, scientific theories, I can not see how you can expect anyone to see your notions as valid.

The Constitution gives everyone the right to believe in whatever we want to, Scott. A citizen in this country can believe in God, Allah, Shiva, Zeus or even purple leprechauns underneath the bed. Nothing however, gives anyone the right to automatically claim validity for anything that they may want to believe in. Tell me Scott, how can you believe that to assume otherwise is anything but just plain irresponsible?

But perhaps you have something to show us we have yet to see. Without showing evidence of how current theories are possibly incorrect, can your research DIRECTLY show evidence, outside of your personal religious faith, of a supreme maker of life? Do you have methods to produce this evidence? Do you have a controllable way of measuring this evidence? Can you reproduce this evidence in a controlled environment? Do you have the method for which to compare your findings?

I'm sure that if you were to produce something tangible that your notion of a "supreme entity" exists and that it indeed did create life as we know it today, that the scientific community would be more than happy to give you the credit you deserve for your work. If not, I have a suggestion for a scientific methodology that may help you out.

1. Study paranormal activities.
2. Find out if these entities are indeed the remnants of living people (aka souls).
3. Inquire as to the nature of the philosophies held by them.
4. Request an audience with their top official.
5. Ask the top official if your notions are correct.

Granted, my methodology may be in the minority of what is scientifically acceptable, but I am sure you can relate to that.

I hope that you will see that showing direct evidence of your theories is much more useful than assuming your notions, seemingly based in a lack of science, are correct simply by default. I wish you the best of luck with either your or my methodology. I hope you that you will find the results that you require for validation.

With best regards,
X

PS. I am forwarding a copy of this letter to the dean of your University and to the chair of the Tenure committee. I have heard that you have found yourself in a spot of hot water concerning your teaching methods. Perhaps by answering my questions, you can also relieve any fears they may have about your teaching abilities. Good luck, Scott. I'm rooting for you.


I have yet to receive a reply.


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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 4:55:34 PM   
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Didn't I mention something about "zealot atheists"?

yeah ... I think I did.

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 4:59:16 PM   
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Have I mentioned that atheists have larger penises than Christians?  It was a little-publicized discovery by the PEW Foundation.



pewwwwwwwie! 

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 5:00:16 PM   
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He already has tenure:

http://www.ag.uidaho.edu/mmbb/p_minnich_s.htm

They don't revoke tenure for having controversial views.

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PS. I am forwarding a copy of this letter to the dean of your University and to the chair of the Tenure committee.

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 5:02:19 PM   
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Have I mentioned that atheists have larger penises than Christians?  It was a little-publicized discovery by the PEW Foundation.


ROFLMAO!

All athiests or just the conservative ones?

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 6:17:45 PM   
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I have yet to receive a reply.


That doesn't entirely surprise me.

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 6:17:58 PM   
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There are also Deists, Pantheists, Animists, and I am sure plenty of others.

Also, just to point out, there are certainly zealous fundementalists besides just Christians and aetheists.

fergus


I did not mean to sound all-inclusive.  There are -ists of all sorts of different flavors.

A fundamentalist is basically a person who has a rigidly strict interpretation of a basic set of ideas or principles.  It is not really specific to any particular religious practice.  I have dated fundamentalist anal retentive neat freaks.

Just me, probably wrong, the cleanliness of my house is inversely proportional to the amount of time I spend working or away from home.

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RE: Atheism/Agnosticism - 11/22/2006 6:22:27 PM   
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There are also Deists, Pantheists, Animists, and I am sure plenty of others.

Also, just to point out, there are certainly zealous fundementalists besides just Christians and aetheists.

fergus


I did not mean to sound all-inclusive.  There are -ists of all sorts of different flavors.

A fundamentalist is basically a person who has a rigidly strict interpretation of a basic set of ideas or principles.  It is not really specific to any particular religious practice.  I have dated fundamentalist anal retentive neat freaks.

Just me, probably wrong, the cleanliness of my house is inversely proportional to the amount of time I spend working or away from home.

Sinergy


Yeah, I know.  I was just tossing in a few more ...

OH! And I'm sorry, the second bit wasn't directed at you specifically .... just seemed like most people were talking solely about Christians and Atheists!

fergus

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