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cuddleheart50 -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/26/2006 9:51:16 AM)

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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

or an elephant baby


LMAO!!




AquaticSub -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/26/2006 10:55:59 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

Aw Krissi, I doubt everyone looks at adoption that way.  It isnt something Id be able to do, but I can understand someone completely alone, broke and destitute who feels they have no means to care for a baby the way the baby deserves and needs to be cared for.  So they place it in a good home, with parents who can raise the child properly. 
Im not saying there shouldn't be education on birth control and people taking responsibility for their actions, but I dont think adoption is neccessarily a negative resolution to an unwanted pregnancy. 
I know this isnt the ideal thing to say, but sometimes the natural mother and/or father are not always the best candidates to be parents.


If someone is "completely alone, broke and destitute, who feels they have no means to care for a baby the way a baby deserves and needs to be cared for", why are they having a child in the first place?


Birth control failed. It happens. Or rape. That happens too.




LadyEllen -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/26/2006 11:35:11 AM)

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ORIGINAL: sharemeuk

the checks to be approved for adoption are free, unless you choose to go down the route of adopting from abroad, in which case you foot the bills for all the social service, health, criminal etc checks, which comes to approx £10k plus whatever expenses are incurred by the actual process of adopting from your chosen country, ie flights, stay there, 'donation' etc. Either way checks should take approx 1 year, although more time may be needed if any probs arise/your local soc. services are as understaffed as the rest of them in the UK. What time it then takes for a child to be places is very much the biggest variable..

"often receiving the same abuse in care which an adopter must prove they dont do"
I have to say that that statement is based more on a reactionary knee-jerk than empirical evidence. Of course there are cases of abuse within the care system, but I think to suggest that they happen 'often' is pretty insulting to the foster carers who do their damnedest to give these kids as solid a foundation as possible, and many have to spend out of their own pocket to do so.





Hi shareme

I'm only going off what I heard as for the time and expense involved in gaining approval - glad to hear it may not be as difficult as I had heard.

As for the abuse in the care system comment- there have been reported multiple cases of workers in childrens' homes who abused the children in their care. It may have now stopped, since most such cases were reported by children who had been in such homes and only made their complaints as adults - indicating abuse going on from the late eighties and before. I do hope it has stopped since the attention the court cases arising from those complaints brought; however it is always possible that such abuse has been happening since then too, and the victims have not yet reported it - being now either young, traumatised adults or else still in care. As for foster parents, they were not the intended object of my comment and I apologise if that was the impression you got.
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LadyEllen -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/26/2006 11:43:41 AM)

What I dont understand though shareme, is the following, given the ease in which you say adoption can occur;

There are thousands of children in children's homes and foster care around the UK.

There are thousands of couples (and singles) who would like to adopt.

How is it that these two situations can exist simultaneously, if the cost is low and the red tape a breeze?

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LadyJulieAnn -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/26/2006 1:43:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

Aw Krissi, I doubt everyone looks at adoption that way.  It isnt something Id be able to do, but I can understand someone completely alone, broke and destitute who feels they have no means to care for a baby the way the baby deserves and needs to be cared for.  So they place it in a good home, with parents who can raise the child properly. 
Im not saying there shouldn't be education on birth control and people taking responsibility for their actions, but I dont think adoption is neccessarily a negative resolution to an unwanted pregnancy. 
I know this isnt the ideal thing to say, but sometimes the natural mother and/or father are not always the best candidates to be parents.


If someone is "completely alone, broke and destitute, who feels they have no means to care for a baby the way a baby deserves and needs to be cared for", why are they having a child in the first place?


Birth control failed. It happens. Or rape. That happens too.


Yes, those are possibilities, but I would guess if you looked at the statistics, the majority of babies are not products of failed birth control or rape.




AquaticSub -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/26/2006 7:46:37 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

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ORIGINAL: LadyJulieAnn

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ORIGINAL: marieToo

Aw Krissi, I doubt everyone looks at adoption that way.  It isnt something Id be able to do, but I can understand someone completely alone, broke and destitute who feels they have no means to care for a baby the way the baby deserves and needs to be cared for.  So they place it in a good home, with parents who can raise the child properly. 
Im not saying there shouldn't be education on birth control and people taking responsibility for their actions, but I dont think adoption is neccessarily a negative resolution to an unwanted pregnancy. 
I know this isnt the ideal thing to say, but sometimes the natural mother and/or father are not always the best candidates to be parents.


If someone is "completely alone, broke and destitute, who feels they have no means to care for a baby the way a baby deserves and needs to be cared for", why are they having a child in the first place?


Birth control failed. It happens. Or rape. That happens too.


Yes, those are possibilities, but I would guess if you looked at the statistics, the majority of babies are not products of failed birth control or rape.


I would guess that the majority of "unwanted" babies happen because of a lack of education. Scoff if you will, but some still think two condoms are better then one (the latex rubs against each other and breaks, ensuring the little swimers get out), many women don't know that taking an antibotic makes your BC not work, and pulling out? Sorry bros, it dun work. The little dubes are in your pre-cum too.

Add to that the abusive relationships where a woman feels if she insists on a condom she will lose her man, or a young girl whose partner is convincing her that the rhyhmn and pull-out methods are really really awesome and really work, honest sweetie!

Add to that: Young teenagers who don't know what they are doing, think they can handle a baby and then once it's here "Oh dear God, what the hell am I supposed to be doing?" Sure, you could make them take care of it and possibly resent it. Or you could send it to a loving family who adores it. I'd rather go the adoring loving family, thank you very much.

Add to that: Abusive relationships where the woman is pretty much raped and they don't want to bring the child up in that situation.

Add to that: Women who had been told they can't have babies who suddenly get preggers at 40 without a reason other then "damn fate hates you".

Children are a blessing. But sometimes they are blessing to another family and life lesson to the mother. Birth control fails and basically, shit happens, more then people would like to admit. I use birth control. I have already discussed with my dominant that if I have a child I definately going to have it. I don't know if I will keep it or give it up to a family that is better able to raise it.

Honestly, I think giving your child up to a family who can raise it better then is a mark of a far better and loving parent then one who keeps it restained in bad circumstances. I think you should look at actual stats, and not just ones from any particular side. It is very easy to skew stats. Look at those from Planned Parenthood, adoption websites and those from conservative sites. Take it all with a grain of salt.




CandleInTheWind -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/29/2006 1:33:50 PM)

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Children are a blessing. But sometimes they are blessing to another family and life lesson to the mother. Birth control fails and basically, shit happens, more then people would like to admit. I use birth control. I have already discussed with my dominant that if I have a child I definately going to have it. I don't know if I will keep it or give it up to a family that is better able to raise it.

Honestly, I think giving your child up to a family who can raise it better then is a mark of a far better and loving parent then one who keeps it restained in bad circumstances. I think you should look at actual stats, and not just ones from any particular side. It is very easy to skew stats. Look at those from Planned Parenthood, adoption websites and those from conservative sites. Take it all with a grain of salt.


aqua   a wise woman in a youn body..

I feel the same way the mother that gives birth to a child and puts it up for adoption....  that mother is the most selfless person to put the needs of that child above her own feelings...I know i have ahousefull of children...i cannot even think of how difficult a decision that must be




Sinergy -> RE: Oh, This Makes Me So Mad!!! (11/29/2006 8:01:11 PM)

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ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Children are a blessing. But sometimes they are blessing to another family and life lesson to the mother. Birth control fails and basically, shit happens, more then people would like to admit. I use birth control. I have already discussed with my dominant that if I have a child I definately going to have it. I don't know if I will keep it or give it up to a family that is better able to raise it.

Honestly, I think giving your child up to a family who can raise it better then is a mark of a far better and loving parent then one who keeps it restained in bad circumstances. I think you should look at actual stats, and not just ones from any particular side. It is very easy to skew stats. Look at those from Planned Parenthood, adoption websites and those from conservative sites. Take it all with a grain of salt.


aqua   a wise woman in a youn body..

I feel the same way the mother that gives birth to a child and puts it up for adoption....  that mother is the most selfless person to put the needs of that child above her own feelings...I know i have ahousefull of children...i cannot even think of how difficult a decision that must be




[sarcasm]

While I really enjoy all the selfless mother twaddle I see...

[/sarcasm]

I have told womenj I have dated in the past that I do not wish them to get an abortion and would raise the child on my own if they did not wish to be involved.

Just met, etc.

Sinergy




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