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starshineowned -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 7:57:31 AM)
Greetings..~smiles~ Just general reply... I was thinking on this alittle last night after watching "The Pet", and Master and I discussing a bit the aspects of a slave. Most of us know what life was pretty much like for "most" that were called slaves and or what slavery meant. Like was said I think already..we definetely know that the type of slave today that we are involved with has taken some aspects of historic slavery (ofwhich yes I do very much realize that this type of slavery does still occur today), and despite the legalitys regarding slavery have implemented them into our lives "freely" as a lifestyle choice in order to live a certain lifestyle. This newer form I do believe or alternative to that which we grew up knowing and understanding as slavery was a later offshoot of bdsm. People involved in bdsm (dungeons mostly or closed group gatherings) at some point decided to take it from there, and instead of it just being a get together or roleplaying session scenerio from time to time..took the more spiritual exchange of those roles and applied it to everyday life. For many, aspects of the physical still remain but the mental, emotional, and spiritual components went from just a nightly excursion of fun to a full blown way of life. Some I think just seperated from bdsm in the more kink, fetish fullfillment, and put more emphysis on the roles and power but also incorporated aspects of what was known to most from history. I do think most of what is brought to modern slaves or slavery from history is more of the loss's once a person became a slave. I do not fear bodily harm beyond repair or physical death from being a slave. It is never a thought. I do fear not being a pleasure, not being allowed to serve, and my equivelent to a physical death is released to wander and roam a living death because that is exactly what it feels like. Why? I do not know. I just do not have a answer to that..I just know it is. I know those freedoms, rights, and priveledges afforded to all persons are present, and mine to take at anytime I so choose. I know those that lost them without a choice to do so fought extremely hard to regain them and more. I can not honestly attempt to compare something that was never like that for me, and would not ever belittle or dismiss in any way what they suffered or went through or are going through even today. I can only compare it from a being born with those freedoms etc., and finding them not always so wonderous as is thought..atleast to me and what i've lived thus far. I know the freedoms are there for me and I exercised one of those freedoms to give up any further control for usage of those freedoms as long as I remain slave. When I take back control of those freedoms then I am no longer slave. My ability overtime of not having control of those freedoms will start to take on more of a impact to a point where I will most probably not feel within me the ability anymore to have control of them, and I do notice the change already in 2yrs. I could still at this point come back with alot of work but I do not really ever think in that capacity because I knew why I gave that control up to begin with, and where I would most likely be headed as a result. I wanted and had the choice to make that choice. As scary as it was..as life altering as I knew it would be..I do not wish for one minute to ever take back and hope to finalize at some point completely of not feeling any ability to take back regardless of whats available. At that point would it make me a doormat..perhaps. Do I care? No. In the grand scheme of things were all pretty much just drones going about our business and doing what were told in order to live "what we feel" is a life of freedom and happiness. Being a slave for me is that freedom and happiness. (while I can still edit this book I've written) From time to time Master does make it part of his process to remind me that the option to no longer be his slave and leave is there for me. I feel a sickening sink in my gut everytime he does this, and I cry. For whatever reason..one of the hardest thing I know is knowing that I do not have that ability to remove myself this option, and it be forced so that there is not that choice anymore. The difficulty in realizing this and knowing that I am in essence literally being forced to have choice is so contradicting internally that I loose it emotionally everytime it is reminded to me. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

farglebargle -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 7:57:45 AM)
Have I chimed up yet? Slaves are Property. Submissives are volunteers.

FemmeOwner -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 8:00:49 AM)
OOOHHHHHHH! I like it!!!! quote: ORIGINAL: farglebargle Slaves are Property. Submissives are volunteers.

glittersparkel -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 8:11:40 AM)
...this "slave" begs the pardon of the participants of this thread... ...she is not one to jump into the middle of a discussion...but she felt a 'personal' need to make a comment here...below is a snippet of conversation between herself and the Master that now owns her... "...And yes there are some that claim a Masterless slave isn't a slave....how silly. Was my bike not truly a Harley as it sat unowned on the showroom floor?..." ...when Master made this statement it rang true in this slave girls heart...for...since the beginning of her 'self' discovery she has completely identified with the 'definition' of a slave rather than a submissive...it is not something that she 'chose' to be...it is what she is...in her heart...in her nature...it is innate to her...and...it influences 'who' she is in every aspect of her life...whether 'lifestyle' or 'vanilla'...she could not change who she is if she tried...at the very best...now understanding 'it'...she can manage her nature in given situations... ...the dynamics between Master/slave or Dominant/submissive can be debated for eternity...but isn't the reality that...each R/relationship is unique to it's self?...~smiles~...this girl has learned through her own experiences that...though all 'Masters'/'Dominants' have similar 'nature' characteristics...as certainly do slaves/submissives... personalities and 'life' influences are always unique to the individuals...so...then too will be the relationship that evolves between any T/two... ...and isn't that a beautiful thing?... ...these are just the humble thinkings of one slave girl... violet, the property of L.B.

starshineowned -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 8:56:21 AM)
Greetings..~smiles~ While I can and do accept both these logics of "what constitutes on being a slave or when is a slave a slave" differences.. When you refer to the word slave in dictionary, and history (from whence it came) there is a difference in the snippet your Master used for comparison. Before legalities set in regarding this word...slave was a status, and to be considered of that status or class of people..one required to be owned. Your Masters harley does not fall into a status or class categorization for people. I understand the process we use to equate slaves today as property but only to those involved will that be true. To the world..that harley will be a harley no matter what because it is truely regarded as something that falls into the property category. To make this a real comparison..go stand yourself next to a harley on a showroom floor, and have your Master ask people as they go by to tell him what it is when he points to the bike, and then tell him what you are when he points to you. I don't think you will find anyone if at all that will say: "oh heh well thats a slave". We are only what we are and feel to those that wish to accept us as that. Think the numbers are growing..but far from a point where anyone beyond our realm would call or recognize you a slave or property. Well Wishes starshine Happy slave of Master Delvin

glittersparkel -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 9:21:48 AM)
...~smiles~...thank You... ...perhaps this 'girl' is a hopeless romantic...even as a 'slave'... ...and she does 'identify' with all the logic of the topic...she does not argue the definitions or the dynamics that come into play for any or all...and she loves a good debate...expecially one that makes her 'think'...to grow and evolve within her 'self'...and she is particularly appriciative of the input of another 'owned' slave... ...thank You, again... violet, owned by L.B.

Altina -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 9:42:52 AM)
My own personal view: A slave is property; with little or no say in how he/she is to be used as such A submissive is one who still retains the rights to dictate the relationship.

crouchingtigress -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 10:02:33 AM)
i see it like this: the decision to become a slave is the last one you will ever make...because from then on all the definitions and parameters are defined by your owner.... one does not decide to be a submissive....although if born this way you can decide not to be one, but it goes against your nature.

KatyLied -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 10:08:15 AM)
I see it like this: A Dom has a sub; A Master has a slave. There isn't much difference, if any, it's just a noun. I've known guys who call themselves Master who couldn't master anything, but they like the word. One even insisted that I would be slave if we were to enter into a relationship with him, because he is a Master.

Rover -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 4:56:50 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: ORIGINAL: Rover quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth The BDSM cultural borrowed the term to describe a deeper commitment or a total surrender to a relationship where one has power over another to the point approaching ownership. Ah, so now the definition is "approaching" ownership. That's a new one. quote: The "test" being the question; "Who do you own?" or "Who is your owner?" Wait, I thought it wasn't literal ownership. Shouldn't the question be better phrased as "Who do you nearly own?" or "Who nearly owns you?". I'm just saying, if you're going to be consistent. And isn't a collar a symbol or representation of ownership for many of those in Dominant/submissive relationships? Is that a false symbol, even though many (most?) Dominants would answer that they own their submissives, and many (most?) submissives would reply that they are owned by their Dominants? So maybe the "test" isn't really all that functional? Excuse me, is that silly string you're entangled in? John There is no legal deed. I won't pretend otherwise. However you can play semantic games all you like. Living in reality makes more sense to me. If you can't differentiate between American slavery and BDSM use of the word you need to go back to BDSM 101. Regardless of the trappings such as collar, contract, or whatever. No agency will return your slave to you should he or she escape as was the case for an American slave. I wouldn't dishonor the pain and suffering these people went through to place BDSM slavery as a direct comparison. There are similarities, but the distinctions are more important. However, you can't take the relationship aspect out of the definition; which is why I imagine you didn't respond to that aspect. Go ahead - be a steer. Honestly, I have rarely encountered someone who makes so many (seemingly) statements of fact, and then discards them entirely when challenged. You're quite a moving target, with no two consecutive posts building a logical case for your position. You simply abandon your previous post and position in order to try again with something completely new. Though I give you credit for not having the least bit of embarrassment, as it does not prevent you from moving on to the next soon-to-be-discredited statement. John

TPEOwner -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 7:47:12 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CelticPrince I have been on this path for over two decades and have experienced it all, errrrr except for being a submissive, Strolling throught profiles when I have time, I see a huge number of submissives that call themselves "slaves" To those I ask if you might define in print, as long as you refer to yourselves as such,, just what is a slave compared to a submissive, collared or not. CP The way I look at it, a submissive person is one who for whatever reason, must maintaim some control, and therefore limit what the dominant person can and can't do. Whether it's fear, insecurity, lack of trust, or something else, and those could be very valid reasons, they need a box that says, only what's inside here is ok. Some people may just not need or want to give up that much control. For others it may be a progression, and as trust grows, submission may morph into slavery. Part of the problem, as stated by others, is we all define our terms differently. Therefore, if you let labels be anything more than a starting point, you are asking for problems down the road. In the long run, that might be a good thing, as it hopefully starts every new or potential relationship off with open communication.

cacodylic -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 8:54:51 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I'm surprised that no one has whipped out his Webster's yet. a leather-bound edition, no doubt

kittensmailbox -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/12/2006 8:59:00 PM)
a slave is whatever the ppl in the relationship decides it is... It is many different things to different ppl... MY personal look on it, is a slave is not a free thinker as where a sub is... HOWEVER, that is only what i think,....

Mercnbeth -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 6:40:34 AM)
quote: Though I give you credit for not having the least bit of embarrassment, as it does not prevent you from moving on to the next soon-to-be-discredited statement. You should appreciate that. You have no embarrassment being ignorant or ignoring the aspect of relationship, I have no embarrassment in pointing it out and educating you. I've yet to see any discrediting. You believe calling yourself something makes is reality regardless of reality. In some circles that's called delusional. Shouting, "I'm a slave" walking down the street, or should that be crawling?, doesn't make it true. But to you it does. Similarly, standing in front of a mirror repeating, "I am a master" doesn't make is so. This is what you believe? Well, I guess if you're alone - masturbation is sex.

MissUnleaded -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 12:22:41 PM)
I can't see any objective definition. If I tried to apply one, I think most of the 'slaves' here would probably not qualify. I therefore don't see much point rehashing the subject. I am co-creating a relationship which suits both of us without reference to other people's labels.

Killbotsgirl -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 2:25:45 PM)
slaves have rules that they follow and the brand on their body or the collar they wear is a proud statment of that that is why i love being a slave because i am proud to wear my Masters collar

farglebargle -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 2:29:22 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MissUnleaded I can't see any objective definition. If I tried to apply one, I think most of the 'slaves' here would probably not qualify. I therefore don't see much point rehashing the subject. I am co-creating a relationship which suits both of us without reference to other people's labels. quote: I can't see any objective definition. Well, a Constructivist would argue that there are no objective definitions...

Yourangelic1 -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 2:37:13 PM)
This girl believes that she is slave at heart, but also as a slave she has learned that it takes a huge amount of trust in her Dominant to give, surrender in this capacity. Trust that in all things this girl's best interest will be kept in mind. A slave has no rights, no say and no limits, and as most have said here, it really is up to the invidual relationship as to how the dynamics will be. It is up to the Dominant and slave to decide what is right for them, and how they will term their TPE relationship. Please be well, angelic

drawntothedark -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 2:40:51 PM)
I think the second example pretty much sums it up. http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/slave

FemmeOwner -> RE: what is a slave???? (12/13/2006 2:52:45 PM)
I never thought of it as having much to do at all with rules, and even less to do with brands or collars. A slave remains a slave even though he may never wear a collar, or be branded. Rules? I tell my slave what to do and he does it. End of story. Nothing about rules. And he obeys because he has to, because he is bound to me by his own submission, his deep-seated need to serve and obey, and the pleasure he derives from having submitted, regardless of whether he likes what he is commanded to do. Brands, tattoes, collars... all wonderful symbols. But if the submission is not there, that's all it is. A symbol. Wearing them does not make one a slave. quote: ORIGINAL: Killbotsgirl slaves have rules that they follow and the brand on their body or the collar they wear is a proud statment of that that is why i love being a slave because i am proud to wear my Masters collar

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