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America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 6:00:24 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		It like comes on in 1.0 minutes here and is about REAL sex slavery!  Its on Fox on my tv.........  so just incase anyone else is massively interested.

Dont miss it?  I suppose if yer in Cali or the west coast you've about another 3 hours = )
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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 6:10:23 PM   
popeye1250


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Status: offline 		Yeah, another celebrity (Daryl Hannah) with a "cause" who wants "us" to do something about sex slavery in some foreign country.
Shades of "BONO".

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 6:43:52 PM   
RiotGirl


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so not what i was expecting = (  ITS SAD and gross.  i so totally dont suggest watching.  Almost makes one feel um.. wrong.. for calling one self a slave. 

not sure whether i want to barf or cry.  I suppose i was thinking more along the lines of.. adults.. dunno. 

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 6:45:46 PM   
RiotGirl


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ew - gag.  geezzzzzzzzzzzzz........

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 6:55:30 PM   
Morrigel


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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 6:58:39 PM   
sissifytoserve


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Status: offline 		These things have been going on for years.

YES, governments are complicit as well.

Google DYNCORP and kidnapping.

But that is just the tip of the iceberg.

The ELITE seem to love it.



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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 7:04:36 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		i've heard about the sex slave industry ever since i was a little girl.  My mother was a fed and oddly it was always her biggest fear.  Some one would kidnap me and sell me off in the market.   <shrugs>

i know its almost a worldwide epidemic.. one that isnt really brought to light much.  I think its sorta smart to educate ourselves on it.  Just cos we're in the US doesnt mean we are immune. 

You know i had a friend whose family is from hungry and still in hungry.  He went abroad to visit - i dunno how - he saw what "real" slavery was.  BDSM has put a bad taste in his mouth ever since.  The fact that we "play" at such a real tradegy, is if you think about it.............. totally fucked up.  We imitate a real life tradgey. 

does anyone ever think about that? 

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 7:13:01 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		And i know everyone is a die hard believer in what they do.  Kind of like my mother and her cigarettes.  She likes them and thinks everyone else is wrong.  Junkies shoot up heroin and for the most part think its okay.  Everyone backs themselves up, generally speaking.

I know BDSM and the sex slave industry are not one in the same and i also know that within certain select groups there is a close correlation.  I'm pretty sure that for 95% of the ppl on this site there is no correlation.  Yet even though its "not" "the" "same" - we are still imitating it. 

Take the game cow boys and Indians.  While those that play the game aren’t "really" doing it, they are imitating it.  Take some sicko who enjoys shoving groups of ppl in a gas chamber, shaving their heads, stripping them naked, and then gassing them until they're unconscious.  Its not the "same" and could very well be considered a "kink" - yet its imitating it.  So i don’t think anyone can tell me that we aren’t imitating a life tragedy. 

We are imitating it, glorifying it, and making it pretty.  We're saying "hey, they've got a great idea there, but lets tweak it so its better" 

Am i in left field, cos it certainly doesn’t feel like it.  Anyone want to explain to me something i may be missing?

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 7:24:41 PM   
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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 7:27:12 PM   
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We are imitating it, glorifying it, and making it pretty.  We're saying "hey, they've got a great idea there, but lets tweak it so its better" 


I disagree.  I don't think that consensual play or games between friends or loving partners have anything whatsoever to do with real brutality or abuse.  I don't think fantasy and reality of ANY kind are directly linked.

This is part of the same logic that people use to explain that porn causes rape, that videogames cause violent behavior, etc..  Simulating something in a fantasy or an art form does not AT ALL equivocate to commiting a real act which harms another person.  Never has, never will.  The two urges come from totally different parts of the human psyche--one is creative, one is destructive.

I think that BDSM is an extremely healthy and sane way for a person to deal with masochistic, sadistic, dominant or submissive feelings.  To seek pleasure of any kind is ultimately a life-affirming urge, and turning this kind of horror into harmless pleasure is a bit of wizardry to be admired, not condemned.

Just my two cents.

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 7:42:26 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		First - i'm not saying that fantasy causes reality

Second - i am not saying that it equivocates the same thing

what i am saying is - that in a way we are imitating real life. 

atleast i think i'm saying what i'm trying to say

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 7:58:22 PM   
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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 8:01:38 PM   
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ORIGINAL: popeye1250

Riotgirl, if you're having second thoughts, try a crossdressing site.



One word.

Jerk

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 8:21:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl


what i am saying is - that in a way we are imitating real life.



Yes....we are.

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 8:55:52 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl
what i am saying is - that in a way we are imitating real life. 


All games simulate real life--and often the worst parts of real life.  Being "kidnapped" and "raped" in a game is very much like "dying" in a video game.  It has nothing to do with affirming, causing or glorifying the real thing.  No one who dies in a video game ends up thinking "That was nothing!  I'll go jump off a bridge."

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 8:59:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		"Equates," sweetheart, not "equivocates."

Can't have you going up against these big bad meanies with errors in diction now, can we...

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i am not saying that it equivocates the same thing

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 9:29:07 PM   
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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 9:35:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: RiotGirl

awwwwwwwwwww man

so not what i was expecting = (  ITS SAD and gross.  i so totally dont suggest watching.  Almost makes one feel um.. wrong.. for calling one self a slave. 

not sure whether i want to barf or cry.  I suppose i was thinking more along the lines of.. adults.. dunno. 



(Sweety...it's a show where their main goal is to put bad people in jail.  Hence, it was {and is} highly unlikely that this particular show was about folks who like to tie each other up for fun).

America's Most Wanted (not America's Most Kinky).

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 9:36:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LTRsubNW



(Sweety...it's a show that their main goal is to put bad people in jail. Hence, it was {and is} highly unlikely that this particular show was about folks who like to tie each other up for fun).

America's Most Wanted (not America's Most Kinky).


Lol...

Nice.

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RE: America's Most Wanted show tonight - 11/25/2006 9:46:09 PM   
RiotGirl


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Equates," sweetheart, not "equivocates."

Can't have you going up against these big bad meanies with errors in diction now, can we...


thank you

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All games simulate real life--and often the worst parts of real life.  Being "kidnapped" and "raped" in a game is very much like "dying" in a video game.  It has nothing to do with affirming, causing or glorifying the real thing.  No one who dies in a video game ends up thinking "That was nothing!  I'll go jump off a bridge."


You have a point that most games in life simulate sometimes the worst parts in life.  Video games are a good point.  Yet, while i like video games - i wouldnt say they are "right".  When i look for the "right and wrong" of this I look for the worst possible thing to simulate and i think of the holocaust.  What if we were to simulate that?  Is that okay in your mind?  Its just as horrid as real life slavery.  No where did i say thatone thing leads to another.  I'm not sure why you keep bringing that up, i already agreed with you.  If i wanted to be honest instead of agreeable, i would say that i suspect in some extreme cases one thing does lead to another.  But its a moot point in the whole of the arguement. 

My point seems simple to me.  I think you've already answered the question.  Are we imitating life and what does others think about it?

It still seems like we are glorfying it.  Even death in video games sorta glorifys killing.  In my favorite game savage - one of the reasons i love it, is because when i kill another player i literally get to see blood squirt from their stomach.  If you stand over the dead body and swing, you gush blood every where.  Not that one thing leads to another, as we are all responsible for our actions.  But in a way..


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