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In theory - 2/13/2005 7:21:13 PM   
Dev10usM1nd


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Status: offline 		About a year ago, I was discussing the idea of orgasm on command with my submissive at the time. She was interested in the concept, but no real action was taken towards that end. The relationship did not last due to her relocation for college out of state. The idea popped into my head again about a month or so ago so I decided to look for potential answers pertaining to its level of possiblity. So far, I have found nothing related directly to this.

I have somewhat of a background in psychology (not extensive by any means) and I believe that through Pavlovian Conditioning this could be possible. In theory, orgasm is a physiological reflex brought on by a set of stimuli, and therefore affected by this type of learning. (for anyone that does not know the details of how Pavlovian Conditioning works, it basically adds a second set of effective stimuli to a stimulus-reflex pair) The ultimate and ideal goal would be to have the ability to make a submissive achieve orgasm with little or no physical stimulus, and based upon a command prompt (a certain touch, a certain phrase). It sounds far fetched I realize, but in theory it is psychologically possible. I am just not sure that it is physiologically possible. I have a set of steps that I have thought out carefully that would be the means to this end but I will not go into detail here. Instead I will quit beating around the bush so to speak and ask my question concisely: Have any of you heard of anything like this? and if so, To what degree is it possible?

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RE: In theory - 2/13/2005 8:17:08 PM   
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RE: In theory - 2/13/2005 8:18:42 PM   
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I've never known anyone who has managed it. I put this down to lack of patience rather than that it isn't possible. You tend to find more information about the phenomenon in the Hypno realm than the regular one.

http://www.domsubfriends.com/voye/articles/99/
http://www.domsubfriends.com/voye/articles/100/

http://www.steel-door.com/mental_conditioning.htm
http://hypnosis.kicks-ass.net/
http://www.bcwsd.com/backroom/smack/smack024.html
http://www.geocities.com/bleu_mune/oncommand/orgasm.html
http://www.bestslavetraining.com/Behavior.htm

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RE: In theory - 2/13/2005 8:19:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		We've had a few threads on this that might help you:

orgasm on demand

teaching a sub to orgasm on dom's command

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RE: In theory - 2/13/2005 9:16:26 PM   
Dev10usM1nd


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Status: offline 		I had not realized that this was that well known. I suppose that my question has been answered then. Thank you.

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RE: In theory - 2/14/2005 5:54:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		It’s not as far fetched as some might think, for I have done it with one submissive and one slave over the years. Speaking for me it’s very fulfilling to make a woman have an orgasm just by saying a power word. Having a slave that can orgasm easily helps but is not necessary. For me the key was that she had to be with me (living or very close by) for more then 30 days. Every time that she had an orgasm I would whisper in her ear the power word. With my second one I started using the power word when I orgasm too. This made it real easy for us to both orgasms at the same time or for her to have an orgasm from just sucking me off. Now some might be saying “what the big deal”, well picture this. I was in a line waiting to buy tickets for a movie. I lightly put my hands on her hips and pressed my lips up to her ear and whispered the power word. Her knees buckled and I had to hold her up. The words that came out of her mouth were almost as good as Meg Ryan in “When Sally meet Harry”. After the orgasm washed through her the signs of what happen started running down her legs. Now that’s control of ones body!

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RE: In theory - 2/14/2005 12:08:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Dev10usM1nd

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I have somewhat of a background in psychology (not extensive by any means) and I believe that through Pavlovian Conditioning this could be possible.

Oh, yes - it's quite possible, and Pavlovian conditioning is how I've done it. I've heard from others who have reported success with operant conditioning and hypnosis, but can't claim any experience there.

Good luck!

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RE: In theory - 2/17/2005 3:07:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		In my experience, this depends as much on the submissive as anything else, and it's something you have to be careful to put on your laundry list of things that you'd like to achieve, I've managed this with two girls, one rather easily, as she had done it before, and the other took about a month. However I've also worked with girls that have a very difficult cumming in the first place, or that cum rather easily from masturbation, but haven't been able to achieve cumming on command. It can lead to a very profound sense of disappointment and failure in a submissive, and lead to cumming through other means more difficult.

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RE: In theory - 2/17/2005 4:01:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm very interested in this subject. Could anyone tell me that has been successful at making a sub orgasm on command...is the sub aware that she is beinging conditioned? Simply are you as the Dom telling your sub this is what you are doing or are you just doing it for your benifit.

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RE: In theory - 2/17/2005 4:19:27 PM   
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quote:

I'm very interested in this subject. Could anyone tell me that has been successful at making a sub orgasm on command..


If you check out the other two threads i posted links for, a few posts above this one, you will see that many here have been successful with it.

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RE: In theory - 2/17/2005 10:12:27 PM   
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ORIGINAL: 1CHRONDOM

I'm very interested in this subject. Could anyone tell me that has been successful at making a sub orgasm on command...is the sub aware that she is beinging conditioned? Simply are you as the Dom telling your sub this is what you are doing or are you just doing it for your benifit.

It does not, from what I've seen, matter. I've done it when the sub had consented, technically, but was unaware of the conditioning - hell, as far as I knew, nobody had ever done that successfully. I have since done it with another, while they were perfectly aware that this is what I intended to accomplish. In neither case did it seem to make any difference one way or another.

I suspect, that if one were able to effectively communicate with Pavlov's dogs that they were being conditioned to salivate when a bell rang, that it would have made no difference there, either.

I would like to point out that there are downsides and dangers in this; I had to pick up the pieces when someone, using my techniques, conditioned their sub to come ONLY on command - only to disappear, leaving the sub unable to achieve orgasm. Using an ambigious command as the key to orgasm control could be problematic, as well. If you intend to embark on this, do try to design it so that it's failsafe, not "oh, I'd never do that"-safe. That truck could hit you tomorrow - if that leaves the sub capable of functioning, this would be a minimum of safety, IMNSHO. You'll be flocking with someone's psyche - do please tread carefully.

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RE: In theory - 2/18/2005 6:03:24 AM   
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Status: offline 		I absolutely love the idea of orgasm control, and I have ideas about what would work for me personally. I have talked about them, first briefly, then more in depth ~ and with a more serious demeanor. I have also sent Him these links. (Thx Proudsub)

I apologize ahead of time for this rant.
Stripmaster, I realize that your signature is a spin off to suit our lifestyle, (and I like it) but as a REAL catholic school girl I can tell you that when the bible says “Spare the rod spoil the child” it is not referring to any kind of physical punishment.
In fact it is referring to the use of a rod by Shepard’s to gently heard / steer their sheep in the right direction. As parents we should be guiding our children, not beating it into them.
People in general do not realize this and use the bible (and that line in particular) as a license to physically assault their own children.
I know You were not aware of this, and did not by any means intend to imply that it was ok, and as I stated, you spun it off to suit our life style. And I apologize again. That line just sparks so much inside of me that I was impelled to explain.
Thank you for letting me rant

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RE: In theory - 2/18/2005 11:59:49 AM   
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Status: offline 		It works, though not with everyone. I've had some success, check the threads that ProudSub posted.

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