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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:01:16 PM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		If Michael Moore says anything you can be sure it will be full of deceitful, publicity seeking comparisons/statements like this one.

The agenda in WW2 was totally different, defeat Germany and Japan at any cost and by any means. Quite right too.
Believe it or not anti Bushers the intent at the moment is to allow the Iraqui's to set up their own form of government. How awful is that ! Whatever you perceive as the real reason for the invasion.

Could someone explain why that is upsetting so many fundamentalist Muslims.


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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:17:55 PM   
seeksfemslave


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Status: offline 		NorthernGent is as accurate as ever when he says....when there are no more Americans to kill.....etc
in fact by a factor of 1000's to 1 the Iraquis are killing Iraquis

Also he seems to not be not too bothered that the terrorists may return to killing on mainland US to influence Foreign Policy. Oma has already stated that this is his intention NG.

NG you remind me of Comical Ali the official Iraqui spokesperson during the War who claimed that the mighty Iraqui forces were poised to strike a devastating blow and as he said it a Yankee tank came lumbering round the corner.....lol 

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:19:17 PM   
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Well beautiful.... you and your pig tails always have the option to skip over these types of threads and read something else. Isn't that the advice you always give Michael from Georgia?


<grins>  that would be easier if there wasnt always a handful of political debates going on in the off topic section.  There's 4 of them now and at one time in the past polictical posts took up about 80% of this section.   

Can you all really not answer the question or explain to me why you all deem it important?  i've asked two questions that have been sidestepped so far.  The first one - i asked how long is it going to go on an the second one, i was much nicer and asked you all to clue me in on the importance of it.  So far, all i've gotten back was negatory responses. I did hear once that when one cant hold their stand on something they drop to insulting the person.  In yall's case it just seems to be dropping derogatory remarks..

Not that i'm bothered.. just mostly curious and amused  = )

p.s.  personally - i'm up for the mod's to create a whole new forum soley for political debate.  That would make everyone happy, eh?



Regardless of how many there are, there's still plenty of opportunity to skip over them and read something more to your liking.

I completely understand RG.....some folks just don't care for political debate. But it's part of reality and whether you believe / realize it or not, it affects all parts of our lives - Even BDSM

Like I've said on at least two other occasions....most of the people I come across who don't like political debate are those who feel belittled / disempowered by the enormity of it - So they retreat back over to their comfort zones. And that's okay.

On the other side....the regular posters here {whether I agree or disagree with them}who engage in the debate are of a similar type of folk that I could surely have a beer or drink with and engage in the same discussion face to face.

And by the way....... I like smart, activist-minded women.....they really turn me on.





- R

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:22:25 PM   
Chaingang


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Believe it or not anti Bushers the intent at the moment is to allow the Iraqui's to set up their own form of government. How awful is that ! Whatever you perceive as the real reason for the invasion.


Sorry, you can't have it both ways - stating a very specific opinion and then trying to be open to other, possibly alternative, opinions. I am not persuaded. I think what you just stated is crap and dead wrong.

The U.S. will sadly stick this war out right up to the moment our economy deflates, following the path of the increasingly irrelevant dollar. In my view, that's exactly what they want and are banking on elsewhere. And by "they" I mean the enemies of the U.S. (a.k.a. members of the white house administration) who invest internationally and with the aid of the many multinationals for whom they provide the proceeds of the legalized theft called war profiteering.

We're there for the oil, but its not for you. It's for Koch Industries, et all.


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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:31:47 PM   
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They also tell alot about the participants, most generally not in a flattering way.


Participation, going on four pages, concerning the pros and cons of flatulence also speaks volumes. However, I can see the case that it is a much better use of hot air and bandwidth.

No qualitative judgment being made. I just never saw the point about complaining about a media that doesn't require "by law" adherence to reading every word. When the newspaper is delivered I still read the sports section and comics before the editorials and news. With 245 channels my favorite button on the remote is still the one that turns the power off, but I never curse or complain about the effort to push the button to change the channel to avoid viewing and/or reading subjects of which I have no interest.

However if, for instance in Riot's case, she's forced to read the political threads as punishment, I can understand her desire to see them end!

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:37:37 PM   
UtopianRanger


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She didn't say it was a non-issue or irrelevent to her life.  Maybe she's just tired of seeing psuedo-intellectual political masturbation on a BDSM forum?  She's probably not alone in that regard.

~stef


No, she is not alone.

However they are good for an occasional laugh.

They also tell alot about the participants, most generally not in a flattering way.



Yanno..... I had another poster send me a message the other day, in a back and forth message session that said the exact same thing you're saying above, only she was talking about the endless, nonsensical ranting over in the random / stupidity part of the boards. I guess it’s different strokes for different folks.



- R


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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:42:01 PM   
Chaingang


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...I like smart, activist-minded women.....they really turn me on.


I have to co-sign that.

Clueless zombies abound in real life; so I would hardly be looking for more of the same here (if I were looking at all). I actually consider anything I post here sort of a mass email to about 10-15 other people that frequent this specific board. I don't actually know any of them, but they evince the kind of robust signs of life and intelligence that I find warming to my heart. Most of the other drive-by types sadly fall into the clueless zombie category in my not so humble opinion - ergo, they aren't fit to lick my friggin' boots or otherwise waste my time.

FWIW, I only agree with Moore on the cut and run part. I don't give a shit what happens to Iraq once we leave. And no I don't think we actually need their oil, not at all. And world opinion of the U.S. is so blown that I doubt it would matter what we do in terms of reparations, so we might as well do nothing. I was against the invasion in the first place and I don't want any more of my or anyone else's money wasted on either winning the un-winnable or fixing the un-fixable.



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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:44:23 PM   
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ORIGINAL: UtopianRanger

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ORIGINAL: LaTigresse

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ORIGINAL: stef

She didn't say it was a non-issue or irrelevent to her life.  Maybe she's just tired of seeing psuedo-intellectual political masturbation on a BDSM forum?  She's probably not alone in that regard.

~stef


No, she is not alone.

However they are good for an occasional laugh.

They also tell alot about the participants, most generally not in a flattering way.



Yanno..... I had another poster send me a message the other day, in a back and forth message session that said the exact same thing you're saying above, only she was talking about the endless, nonsensical ranting over in the random / stupidity part of the boards. I guess it’s different strokes for different folks.



- R



Oh I would have to agree with her about that also. I get bored verrrrrrrrrrrrry quickly there too.


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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:45:24 PM   
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I guess it’s different strokes for different folks.


- R



Sounds right to me. Isn't live and let live a board motto?


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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 2:48:49 PM   
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I don't give a shit what happens to Iraq once we leave.


I'm already "co-signed" on too many of my kids loans; but I will agree with you.

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 3:21:03 PM   
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No one here on CM is going to change what's happening - nor - are they going to change anyone elses opionon.  Politics to me, just seems like a sure fire way to get everyone steamed up again - over, no less - the same issue.    To me, it seems to cause un needed drama on the boards that has no possible way of resolving.  Nor do i see the benefit of rehashing it.  Its akin to going round and round on the abortion debate between pro lifers and pro choice - atleast to me. 


..........can't answer for everyone, but it seems to me that political debate is important. Consider the alternative.....a world where debate is restricted to issues that we agree on, or issues that are utterly within our power such as the colour of curtains. Such a situation could only be achieved by restricting debate, which in my opinion is wrong under any circumstances......free speech is too precious a thing.

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 4:06:02 PM   
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but how long is everyone here going to go on and on and on about the same political BS? 


YAY boobies???

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 4:47:30 PM   
UtopianRanger


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ORIGINAL: caitlyn

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but how long is everyone here going to go on and on and on about the same political BS? 


YAY boobies???


Caitlyn....you don't miss a beat - I'm suprised someone on campus hasn't snatched you up yet  ; }



- R

< Message edited by UtopianRanger -- 11/28/2006 4:48:24 PM >

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RE: Cut and Run, the Only Brave Thing to Do - 11/28/2006 4:57:04 PM   
RiotGirl


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Status: offline 		LOL - i usually do skip the politics.  I used to debate them quite alot - especially in the begining of the Iraq invasion.  It usually left me with ending friendships because i couldnt believe how moronic their stand was.  Figured if i wanted to keep the friends i had - it should stop.  On top of that - i see our country going down the tubes, our goverment all about money and the politicians all about themselves.  I see a bunch of hog wash being shoved down peoples throats and excuses running a mile high by our government.  Quite frankly i am beyond disenchanted with our goverment and its dealings.  I dont understand why others get all upset when our government goes and does something else stupid.  I expect nothing less then our government to be money grubbing, self serving dip wads.  Why get upset?  Its a fact of life.  Discussing it wont do me any good.   Our government wont change and if i sit here and get stressed out - i wont have time to be stressed out about other things in my life.  I'd rather take the time and effort to make "my" world a better place to live in when actual actions will do me good. 

On top of all that - here in the US we only get half the story.  Personally i found living over seas to give me a much broader sense of what is going on in the world. 

Its not that i dont care, is that i dont see it as productive.  Maybe it enlightens others and my end of the conversation would of ended when some one said "it educates me"  I for one, have been educated enough when it comes to our system.  i have friends who are activist and i fully support them and they know if they need me, i'm a call away. 

Live and let live, by all means, i only asked a question.

P.S. 4 pages about flatulence and boobies and other inane crap - leaves me laughing my ass off.  A postive response.  Politics on the other hand - gives me negative responses.  I think our government is moronic and stupid and stupidity always pisses me off.

edited to add - i dont debate abortion either - as i see it as another unproductive conversation.  Sure i think people should be educated and i think others should be clued in - but in the end its just unproductive.  My father always told me there is two things you dont discuss with friends "parenting and politics"  i think he's very wise


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