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United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 12:24:15 PM

Chaingang

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"Tomgram: Elizabeth de la Vega, Bringing Bush to Court"
http://www.tomdispatch.com/indexprint.mhtml?pid=142875

I'd like to draft an indictment of President Bush and his senior aides, and present the case for prewar intelligence fraud to a grand jury, just as if it were an actual case of mine, using the evidence we already have in the public record...

...

...I intend to present a hypothetical indictment to a hypothetical grand jury. The defendants are President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell. The crime is tricking the nation into war--in legal terms, conspiracy to defraud the United States. And all of you are invited to join the grand jury...

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 12:27:37 PM

LadyEllen

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Condoleeza must be acquited.

'cause she's priddy.

Colin should be acquited.

I think he jumped ship when the captain steered Iraq-ho! (?)

Crucify the rest, with their entrails hanging in the sun

E

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 12:39:59 PM

juliaoceania

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Condoleeza is in this up to her eyeballs, and should be tried along with everyone else for war crimes.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 12:49:52 PM

LordODiscipline

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"Hypothetical.."

Talk about sensationalist and BS publishing.

~J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

"Tomgram: Elizabeth de la Vega, Bringing Bush to Court"
http://www.tomdispatch.com/indexprint.mhtml?pid=142875

I'd like to draft an indictment of President Bush and his senior aides, and present the case for prewar intelligence fraud to a grand jury, just as if it were an actual case of mine, using the evidence we already have in the public record...

...

...I intend to present a hypothetical indictment to a hypothetical grand jury. The defendants are President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell. The crime is tricking the nation into war--in legal terms, conspiracy to defraud the United States. And all of you are invited to join the grand jury...

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More at link.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 1:25:22 PM

Chaingang

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Unquestionably, though, the most compelling cases were those that involved victims -- of violent crimes, robberies, or fraud. So I was not surprised to hear the lead Enron prosecutor's comment after the jury convicted former Enron CEOs Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling: "What inspired me," John Hueston said, "was just that, that I had spoken to so many employees, so many victims who lost their savings, people who pleaded with me and the other prosecutors to see justice done."

Thanks to Hueston and his team, the victims of the Enron fraud -- a $68 billion dollar crime that left 20,000 people without jobs, pensions, and life's savings -- have obtained some measure of justice. They will never be made whole, but at least the CEOs who orchestrated the fraud have been held accountable. In the case of the largest corporate fraud ever prosecuted in the United States, the system has worked, albeit imperfectly.

Thus far, however, in the case of the vastly broader and more devastating Iraq war fraud orchestrated by the CEO of the United States and his management team, the system has failed. And we are all victims of this fraud. George W. Bush exploited the vulnerability of an entire populace reeling from the September 11, 2001, attacks to manipulate them into supporting a war based on false pretenses. If the financial cost of the President's fraud is astronomical -- $340 billion in direct war costs alone as of August 2006 -- the human cost is incalculable, and far more profound: over 2,500 American soldiers killed and 19,000 wounded; possibly many more than 50,000 Iraqis killed; untold numbers of grieving Iraqi and American family members; hundreds of thousands of Iraqis homeless; and a million soldiers who have been sent to this war and will never be the same.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 1:37:57 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

"Tomgram: Elizabeth de la Vega, Bringing Bush to Court"
http://www.tomdispatch.com/indexprint.mhtml?pid=142875

I'd like to draft an indictment of President Bush and his senior aides, and present the case for prewar intelligence fraud to a grand jury, just as if it were an actual case of mine, using the evidence we already have in the public record...

...

...I intend to present a hypothetical indictment to a hypothetical grand jury. The defendants are President George W. Bush, Vice President Richard Cheney, Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, and former Secretary of State Colin Powell. The crime is tricking the nation into war--in legal terms, conspiracy to defraud the United States. And all of you are invited to join the grand jury...

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More at link.

Don't forget about Hadley, Stephen Cambrone, David Addington, Eliot Cohen, John Bolton, Eliot Abrams, Alberto Gonzales, Ashcroft and Wolfowitz. They're all co-conspirators

- R

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 2:23:40 PM

LotusSong

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Can't we just have them drop trou and have at 'em?

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 2:52:15 PM

LordODiscipline

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If you could prove it was fraud (as in Enron with malice aforethought) you would have a leg to stand on in this fantastically contrived (well written) diatribe...

However...

~J

quote:

ORIGINAL: Chaingang

Unquestionably, though, the most compelling cases were those that involved victims -- of violent crimes, robberies, or fraud. So I was not surprised to hear the lead Enron prosecutor's comment after the jury convicted former Enron CEOs Ken Lay and Jeffrey Skilling: "What inspired me," John Hueston said, "was just that, that I had spoken to so many employees, so many victims who lost their savings, people who pleaded with me and the other prosecutors to see justice done."

Thanks to Hueston and his team, the victims of the Enron fraud -- a $68 billion dollar crime that left 20,000 people without jobs, pensions, and life's savings -- have obtained some measure of justice. They will never be made whole, but at least the CEOs who orchestrated the fraud have been held accountable. In the case of the largest corporate fraud ever prosecuted in the United States, the system has worked, albeit imperfectly.

Thus far, however, in the case of the vastly broader and more devastating Iraq war fraud orchestrated by the CEO of the United States and his management team, the system has failed. And we are all victims of this fraud. George W. Bush exploited the vulnerability of an entire populace reeling from the September 11, 2001, attacks to manipulate them into supporting a war based on false pretenses. If the financial cost of the President's fraud is astronomical -- $340 billion in direct war costs alone as of August 2006 -- the human cost is incalculable, and far more profound: over 2,500 American soldiers killed and 19,000 wounded; possibly many more than 50,000 Iraqis killed; untold numbers of grieving Iraqi and American family members; hundreds of thousands of Iraqis homeless; and a million soldiers who have been sent to this war and will never be the same.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:17:10 PM

Lordandmaster

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You're kidding, right?

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Condoleeza must be acquited.

'cause she's priddy.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:22:13 PM

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I'd like to take all of the liberal subs on this site, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Rush Limbaughs radio program. It's only 3 hours and they might even learn something..

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:26:18 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'd like to take all of the liberal subs on this site, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Rush Limbaughs radio program. It's only 3 hours and they might even learn something..

I don't get this idea of turning subs/slaves into imbecilic and slobbering fools, seems to me that anyone with of an ounce of ambition would want to own intelligent property.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:33:29 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'd like to take all of the liberal subs on this site, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Rush Limbaughs radio program. It's only 3 hours and they might even learn something..

Even the ones from Rio Linda?

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:36:38 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I don't get this idea of turning subs/slaves into imbecilic and slobbering fools, seems to me that anyone with of an ounce of ambition would want to own intelligent property.

Ron

Oh godly one can u work the reverse and turn an imbecilic slobbering fool into intelligent property?

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:37:11 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'd like to take all of the liberal subs on this site, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Rush Limbaughs radio program. It's only 3 hours and they might even learn something..

Rush is one of the funniest guys broadcasting in the US! I love his shows

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:40:04 PM

mnottertail

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One can try, one can try.

Ron

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 4:45:59 PM

missturbation

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quote:

ORIGINAL: mnottertail

One can try, one can try.

Ron

can i suggest u use me as ur guinea pig and try

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 5:07:05 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: servantforuse

I'd like to take all of the liberal subs on this site, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Rush Limbaughs radio program. It's only 3 hours and they might even learn something..

Yeah, like how to score OxyContin.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 5:17:49 PM

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i've been listening to Rush off and on for ages now. Courtsey of my mother who enjoys his slobberings. Once i found out about his oxycontin all respect i had for him and "his stand" fell to pieces.

I say we just we throw the whole damn government in jail. They've been breaking their own laws longer then i've been alive.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 6:13:33 PM

servantforuse

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Rush is a private citizen and has nothing to do with the government, except paying approx. 40% in taxes of his rather high income.

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RE: United States v. George W. Bush et al. - 11/28/2006 6:18:49 PM

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quote:

quote:

I'd like to take all of the liberal subs on this site, tie them to a chair and make them listen to Rush Limbaughs radio program. It's only 3 hours and they might even learn something
..
Yeah, like how to score OxyContin.

Or viagra

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