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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 6:11:56 PM

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ORIGINAL: xBullx
I wouldn't have posted in this thread, but I felt it important I do when I seen it was fun to use a Fake Gorean as the butt of a joke as if we are the only ones that make those demands and are not able to spell or complete a sentance.

Why would a real Gorean take offense at making fun of fake Goreans?

Last I checked, there was no such thing as a Gorean ninja. Nor is it reasonable for a Master with 20 years of experience in the lifestyle to be grounded by his Mommy for looking at naughty pictures on the Internet. Ergo you may safely conclude that I am not making fun of Goreans, I am making fun of silly people who are claiming to be things that they are not.

I am sorry if it seemed that I was casting particular aspersions on Goreans with the parody. I don't have a problem with real people who do strive to live that lifestyle in a serious manner. The problem I have is with the "Real Twue Master Tenth Level Gorean Ninja Warrior Assassins of the Black Caste" who are just being silly. I imagine that you'd have pretty much the same problem.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 6:14:14 PM

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As long as she doesn't violate the TOS she can say whatever she wants too. If it upsets you take it up with the moderators or use the block feature. Its as simple as that.

Now OP as far as My sub goes he calls Me Mistress and anyone else Ma'am or Sir. If he were a slave it would be the exact same thing. NO ONE is his Mistress but Me, period. If people do not like it, I feel they can get away from us. I'm not changing my rules/training because someone else gets a hair up their ass.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 6:59:11 PM

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ORIGINAL: Lashra

As long as she doesn't violate the TOS she can say whatever she wants too. If it upsets you take it up with the moderators or use the block feature. Its as simple as that.

xBullx was quite courteous even though he mistakenly believes that I am making fun of Goreans. I'm not. I'm making fun of tenth level ninja assassin warrior mages of Gor with 20 years of Lifestyle Mastery experience whose mommies ground them for looking at naughty pictures on the Internet. Goreans don't have a lot of patience for these kinds of folks either.

When someone says that they are a Gorean warrior, sometimes they really are.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 7:18:12 PM

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Tal Najakcharmer,

I would have to say, I have read a fair number of your posts before and your an intelligent woman. Had you made the same post in the Gorean Foums I would have laughed it off for the message you stated. As it stands you stated it over here where it is in most instances fun to make digs at the Goreans. I'm not overly sensitive. In fact had some of the Gorean haters had said it I wouldn't have even read their posts. Let's ask this; Did the OP actually mention a certain group or caste or society? I don't believe she did.Yet in the BDSM venue it was most convenient to chastise someone with a Gorean reference. Why not use a title describing a Self Obsorbed, Knife toting, Boy beating Female Supremist From Maryland. I imagine though that no one pretends their a ninja but a Gorean.

Actually I don't like the demanding dorks like that either. I get called master by plenty of non gorean s types after they get to know me, I never tell them they have too. But I get tired of the Gor bashing and BDSM bashing. Sure we all have room to improve. I just don't imagine it will happen at this rate. As it stands, it doesn't really matter, I'm just some old Gorean that thought highly of your posts in the past.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 7:19:54 PM

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Tal woman,

I don't run and tattle or whatever it is your suggesting. I have an issue with someone. I take it to them. As I did. Of course, if you again find issue with me, you could always threaten to put me in the hospital, like you indirectly implied before. Let's make a deal Lashra. We do not like one another, I have no idea who you are and I find that a favorable condition. So, you ignore me and I'll return the favor.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 7:50:20 PM

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ORIGINAL: xBullx

Had you made the same post in the Gorean Foums I would have laughed it off for the message you stated. As it stands you stated it over here where it is in most instances fun to make digs at the Goreans. I'm not overly sensitive. In fact had some of the Gorean haters had said it I wouldn't have even read their posts. Let's ask this; Did the OP actually mention a certain group or caste or society? I don't believe she did.Yet in the BDSM venue it was most convenient to chastise someone with a Gorean reference. Why not use a title describing a Self Obsorbed, Knife toting, Boy beating Female Supremist From Maryland. I imagine though that no one pretends their a ninja but a Gorean.

I do have to wonder if some of the Gorean bashers from the BDSM community have only had experience with the "MIGHTY NINJA ASSASSIN LORD WARRIOR MASTER OF GOR" types. They are certainly out there, and they are idiots, and they deserve bashing. Every serious Gorean I've ever talked to has agreed heartily with me on that subject. Serious Goreans mostly tend to be pretty decent people in my experience. They don't run around claiming to be super Gorean ninja assassins. If you see someone doing that, and it's not Halloween and they're not laughing, you can safely place them in the category of "Idiot" rather than "Gorean".

I don't think you could find any group of people that didn't have their share of psychotic criminal extremists and laughably silly fakers/posers. Doesn't matter if you're talking about Goreans, Christians or football fans. It's embarrassing to be a legitimate member of a group that is being represented to the public by its highly visible lunatic fringe, because people who don't actually know much about the group form their impressions based on the freaky people who are yelling the loudest.

I'm really not a Gor-basher. I don't personally agree with a good chunk of what Goreans believe, for the specific reason that some of the "facts" presented as the underlying hypothesis of gender relations are essentially flawed when viewed in the context of the evolutionary biology they purport to describe, and the Gorean view of how "nature" works is overgeneralized to the point of real factual inaccuracy. In short it isn't strictly good science, and I have a very deep respect for good science. But as a lifestyle of choice it does work well for some people, and there are aspects to the Gorean philosophy that I find admirably close to social Darwinism.

When xBullx says, "I am a Gorean warrior," he is not lying or posing. He does not literally mean that he fights with swords on tarnback on the planet Gor. He means that he believes in a code of honor and is fully prepared to defend that code when necessary. There's nothing to laugh at there. That's real.

Now if I do catch someone claiming that they come from the planet Gor as John Norman's bastard love child with a secret initiation ritual into his ancient Victorian house of Real Slavery, then it's open season.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 8:41:14 PM

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Dear atendersoul, Ladies and Gentlemen;

In my mind's eyes I see, that respect is earned but, it must also be given as freely. Deserved or not, those who set and or maintain a respectful exchange will show that respect is not something that is laughable or conditional, which in my opinion is a huge problem today. Disagreements still can be handled with respect and civil.
The problem is currently, it becomes an attack on persons--not focused on the issue which is being discussed.

In my mind's eyes I see; as I do identify as a Master as well as a Female Dominant and or Lady who is an dominatrix (not in the pro-dominant field but as a professional quality and seasoned dominant); as well as many arch-types that I can identify with and or others identify me by. That said, with the many screen names which limits choices, some do not live up to the standards which seasoned individuals have as 'expectations.' I will expect any slave of mine to 'title' me as they see as respectful and where I belong in our relationship.

Indeed, I see those who use the title of Master/Mistress and or slave; as well as other role defining titles; who do not deserve such a title and are more of a mockery of such--instead of an inspiration. But, I also see there is a proper exchange of title useage, much like we refer to Dr. A, Dr. B and so on. As applied to "Master" or "Mistress" it is indeed understood that Master A and Mistress B are NOT your owner but, may indeed be seen as a Master/Mistress in their own right.

I think it is folly, to assume that those who use the title of Master or Mistress, will force themselves upon others; if they are worth their salt and practice as much respect as they preach. Those who make such assumptions that Master/Mistress is an immediate entitlement to authority, respect and or stature--are indeed flawed in their thinking and are not to be considered 'serious' other than for some 'negative and or selfish motive.'

In the context of approaches, in my mind's eyes I see; that some 'styles' of D/s, M/s and or BDSM have different philosophies to which has effects on how protocols are matched up to that culture, style, philosophies and or group normal interactions. I also see time wise, there has been a big difference of what was normal protocols of the 1970s and today.

When seeking another, it is my thought that we're on equal footing until there is an consensual understanding upon which a foundation is poured and made, to which a relationship can be built upon. From there, it can be established where you fit into that relationship and in the capacity/role you assume and consent to that role/capacity.

That said, I would enjoy the dropping of the use of I/i in the text forms seen. It is something from the computer age it seems, where on line in order to 'show' what couldn't be done in person, submission or deferring to an authority figure. I rather everybody speak and use plain English--but, I am an old fuddy duddy, as I am from a time of writing 'snail mail' and typing was a form of masochism, when it was on a manual typewriter. If speaking in person to someone, orally--the little 'i' and big "I" still is an I. Third person, somebody will look at you odd if not from the same philosophy circles.

In addition, it is my understanding; that in the Gor books we have heard about; it is written that slaves greeted others with Tal. Third person speech wasn't always the case but, as it has been transposed into cyberland and such--the need to 'demonstrate' in text the submissive traits which normally, in physical and oral exchanges aren't necessary. In text, we miss the body language, tones of the voice; which alone can make anything deeply respectful to overtly sarcastic and or insulting.

As with anything--it is the 'spirit of intent' that is important.

Respectfully submitted for consideration,
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RE: Addresing Masters - 11/30/2006 8:45:53 PM

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Hello man,

I never threatened you, how you got that idea I will never know. I merely tried to show you in that post that not all females would roll over onto their backs and I used past experiences of mine to do that. You just didn't like the idea that I was a woman who would stand up for herself.

But you are correct we don't like each other and I find ignoring each other quite agreeable.

I have no idea who you are and frankly your too unimportant in this world to worry about. I consider the block feature in this case to be My friend.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 12/1/2006 6:29:31 AM

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" frankly your too unimportant in this world to worry about "

Amazing how this noble woman had to slip in one more bash.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 12/2/2006 6:41:49 PM

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Clearly if a woman submissive or slave who posts an ad wants very much to come under the control of some man.

Not necessarily. Some of us who joined did so already under the control of another

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If she identifies herself as a slave she should probably address all male Dominants as Sir even on first contact.

I am a slave, yet I do not address all Dominants as Master ( at least not online anyway ) Real life encounters are different

( the use of Sir and Ma'am is natural with me though when addressing ANYONE, Dominant or submissive/slave )

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RE: Addressing Masters - 12/2/2006 7:10:12 PM

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ORIGINAL: AGORANTE

You of course can do and say whatever you like. Let's consider the options:

If the man identifies himself as a Master you may choose to address him by his user name. If you are here to meet a man face to face you can always move on to another title for him later. However if you are doing some kind of online cyber thing where the messages themselves are the behavior not just a prelude to a meeting maybe a user name title is inappropriate.

If the man identifies himself as a Master you may choose to address him as Sir. This will please him. If you want to make a favorable impression this might be the way to go. A lot of submissives that you meet with their Doms or Masters have been trained to address other Doms or Masters that they meet at a munch or other semi-public event as Sir.

If the man identifies himself as a Master you may choose to address him as Master but this is probably too much unless there has been some kind of comitment to a relationship. Personally a woman who addressed me as Master out of the blue would make me very suspicious.

If the man identifies himself as a Dom I would think you should prefer the user name only.

If she identifies herself as a slave she should probably address all male Dominants as Sir even on first contact.

If she identifies herself as a submissive she should probably address male dominants by their user name until told to use another form of address. Presumably she just ignores and/or blocks the jerks and so she never has to worry about forms of address for them.

Clearly if a woman submissive or slave who posts an ad wants very much to come under the control of some man. She wants to meet some guy that she will be proud to call her Master - if she is one who enjoys the term.

Some women will let you whip them raw (and love it) but won't call you Master. Some will kiss your feet bark on command like a puppy but won't call you Master. But most women enjoy calling their Dom-du-Jour Master or Lord or some other damn fool thing. Titles and forms of address mean very different things to different people.

This is the Ask a Master forum and that's my answer.

Hello A/all,

I can feel rather uncomfortable when people I dont know refer to me as Sir or God or Lord or Grand Poobah. I generally state this up front, and ask them to refer to me by name. I say this with a nice and friendly smile, because it is not a big deal.

If this is a problem for them due to their previous training, I indicate to them that whatever they are comfortable doing is fine.

The only person I am emotionally involved, for the most part, in how they refer to me is the one I am in a dynamic with. If that is not you, then whatever works is just fine.

Just me, etc.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 12/3/2006 3:25:17 PM

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ORIGINAL: atendersoul

I have found that real life and this online Way to be very different. In emails I have recieved from ones that state they are Masters...I answer with respect due to my past training....
but some question about the i instead of I in speaking of myself...
would a sub/slave online be an equal to a Master in the beginning?

I don't believe that there is a difference in equality. I am equal to him, but he is dominant. He and I both hate the lowercase "i" thing. In fact, one of my few standing orders is that I must obey the rules of proper grammar. He forgives my inability to spell but I must obey grammar. If I disobey I do jumping jacks while standing in a corner. And with breasts my size, that hurts. A lot.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 12/3/2006 4:39:32 PM

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If you are asking about authority, I would advise you to answer emails the way you want, because you haven't agreed to obey your addressees' directives. If that involves using a lowercase "i" to refer to yourself, that's your decision.

If you are asking about style, I would counsel you to avoid the use of lowercase "i" to refer to yourself, because that first person singular pronoun is capitalized in English. Alternative sexuality does not require alternative grammar.

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RE: Addresing Masters - 12/3/2006 4:51:35 PM

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ORIGINAL: atendersoul

I have found that real life and this online Way to be very different. In emails I have recieved from ones that state they are Masters...I answer with respect due to my past training....
but some question about the i instead of I in speaking of myself...
would a sub/slave online be an equal to a Master in the beginning?

Some give credit without collateral

Some require collateral before giving credit....

Respect is much the same way

Some give Respect before it is earned...

Some require demonstrated behaviors to earn Respect

So, do you wish to give the Respect of addressing someone as Sir or Madam before they have earned it?

Are you prepared that person to show themselves unworthy of the Respect already given?

Personally, I am more apt to desire one to earn Respect before I give it....

Cheaply given is Cheaply appreciated... of course... I must likewise earn Respect as well..... it is afterall... a Reciprocal Dynamic.

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