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RE: Barack Obama - 12/2/2006 11:36:46 PM   
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Well I'm actually from Illinois and a few years ago I lived in his district when he was in the state legislature, the Hyde Park neighborhood for those who know Chi-town. Obama is very intelligent and seems to put the effort in to gain a good grasp on issues. These are traits I prefer in politics over GWB's glorying in knownothingness.

Is he ready to be POTUS? I doubt it and I doubt the US is ready for him to be POTUS. As we just reelected our governor the next gubernatorial election is 2010 which is also when his Senate term is up and I hope he takes a stab at the governor's mansion before trying for the presidency.


When I saw your POTUS abbreviation, I couldn't help but recall Obama's conversation with Leno about smoking pot. Obama admitted smoking pot and inhaling it.

The first thing that came to mind when I saw your POTUS was POT Undesirable Status.

Of course, a moment later, I realized that you meant President Of The United States.

Anyway... will Obama's pot smoking admission help or hurt his political ambitions?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/2/2006 11:38:17 PM   
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Our Dearest Popeye..
 
Don't you think that  the government..which makes, modifys and exercise those laws, should have people that UNDERSTAND law be the most qualified...hense Lawyers.
 
I sure wouldn't want someone removing my spleen not to be a doctor. There is nothing wrong with knowledge..it's all in how you use it.  (but I'm sure you know that :)  smooochums


Lotus, there are too many lawyers in our govt.
They are writing laws now that feather the nests of their own profession.
If the Congress needs lawyers to help them write laws they have them already on staff.
Do you think there's a shortage of lawyers in Washington, D.C.? (lol)
I wonder what the framers of the Constitution did? Did they send out for a lawyer to check their work?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/2/2006 11:48:01 PM   
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i really don't know that much about him, but from what i have heard and read, i'd vote for him. In fact, Obama and John Edwards might make good running mates. Maybe. i don't know. At least it won;t be a Bush.


What key issue(s) have you heard or read from Obama that swayed your vote his way?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/2/2006 11:51:09 PM   
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I do like him a lot and what he has to say.  I agree with WyrdRich that I would like to see him get a bit more experience under his belt before running for the office of President.  In a few years though if he proves himself a good leader, I would have no problem voting for him at all.
 
Kasha


What has he said that you like the most?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/2/2006 11:56:37 PM   
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...Regarding Obama, thanks LnM for the link.  It was quite good information!  I too, would like to see ‘our leader’ have a bit more leadership under his belt before taking on running our country…but I rather like his rhetoric, actually.
 
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What content of his rhetoric do you find most appealing?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 5:40:47 AM   
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i really don't know that much about him, but from what i have heard and read, i'd vote for him. In fact, Obama and John Edwards might make good running mates. Maybe. i don't know. At least it won;t be a Bush.


What key issue(s) have you heard or read from Obama that swayed your vote his way?

 
Well, from what i remember, and my memory may not be accurate, he does not support BUsh's Iraq policy, and i have not heard about a lot of corruption in regards to him. Maybe i'm just fed up with the current administration, but that right there is almost enough for me. Bush is an idiot and anyone who supports his policies is not who i'd want as President.
 

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 6:22:36 AM   
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What has he said that you like the most?


This wasn't addressed to me, but I'll answer it anyway.
 
I didn't get to see the Leno interview, but have read his book, and discussed him in some of my 'now worthless' classes. You get the idea that he stands for something besides trashing the other side, and in his short political career, he has shown that he is willing to run for office, without the need to drop bombs on his opponent.
 
The last Presidental election was disgusting. I was eighteen years old and it was my first real experience with a national election. All I could think of, was that I outgrew behavior like that in Middle School. We just can't keep electing people, who's primary skill is trashing the other side. Iraq will not bring America down, economic difficulties will not bring America down. What will bring us down, is continuing down this path, where we are no longer voting for the person for which much can be said, but are instead voting for the person for which the least can be objected. (paraphrased from the thoughts of Procopius)
 
I'm going to support the candidate, no matter the party, that can engage in debate, without sinking in to the gutter. I feel this is the single most important issue facing us today. It's time to have leadership that can get out of their trenches. I'm not sure that person will be Senator Obama ... only time will tell.

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 7:00:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		I saw Obama speak for Claire McCaskill in Kansas City before the last election. He's ana amazingly powerful speaker*chills* but to run him in the next election would be political suicide. The pendulum is swinging and there will be a moderate Democrat in office by next election, but not Obama. He will be president, but he's so young and it's just too soon. He's like a rookie pitcher, work him too hard too early and he'll be shit later.

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 8:20:47 AM   
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the insinuation that liberals are racist is just wrong...




       Is it?  I don't believe I made such a sweeping generalization, but the argument could certainly be made.  Many liberal policies and much of the rhetoric really implies (at least to me) that minorities cannot hope to achieve without preferences, ie, they just aren't as good as white folk.  And their hearts bleed for the poor things...

       Obama would face incredible pressure in the primaries.  I don't think he could secure the nomination, but he he might get the bottom slot on the ticket (I dunno, the magic 8-ball might need new batteries).

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 9:54:27 AM   
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i really don't know that much about him, but from what i have heard and read, i'd vote for him. In fact, Obama and John Edwards might make good running mates. Maybe. i don't know. At least it won;t be a Bush.


What key issue(s) have you heard or read from Obama that swayed your vote his way?

 
Well, from what i remember, and my memory may not be accurate, he does not support BUsh's Iraq policy, and i have not heard about a lot of corruption in regards to him. Maybe i'm just fed up with the current administration, but that right there is almost enough for me. Bush is an idiot and anyone who supports his policies is not who i'd want as President. 


Then, if I'm understanding you clearly, your vote for Obama would be more or less a vote against any Bush-like candidate, and not necessarily a vote for Obama?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 10:34:57 AM   
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I didn't get to see the Leno interview, but have read his book, and discussed him in some of my 'now worthless' classes. You get the idea that he stands for something besides trashing the other side, and in his short political career, he has shown that he is willing to run for office, without the need to drop bombs on his opponent. 


I agree with you.

Obama seems to fully grasp that the masses have had it up to their eyeballs with political trashing techniques during elections, and he's skillfully riding the wave away from this to his own political advantage.

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The last Presidental election was disgusting. I was eighteen years old and it was my first real experience with a national election. All I could think of, was that I outgrew behavior like that in Middle School. We just can't keep electing people, who's primary skill is trashing the other side.

 
It amazes me how well effective trash techniques have work with the masses, both in the political and non-political arenas. It's so easy to pull the emotional strings with trash. Just ask Jerry Springer.  
 
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Iraq will not bring America down...

 
That's a fairly safe bet.
 
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...economic difficulties will not bring America down...


I wouldn't bet the house on that. IMO, if America is ever "brought down," it will most likely be through economic means.   
 
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What will bring us down, is continuing down this path, where we are no longer voting for the person for which much can be said, but are instead voting for the person for which the least can be objected. (paraphrased from the thoughts of Procopius)


Why do you say that? After all, this has been going on for quite some time now without a hint of anything more than voter disgust. 

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I'm going to support the candidate, no matter the party, that can engage in debate, without sinking in to the gutter. I feel this is the single most important issue facing us today.

 
I don't agree. I believe there are many more important issues. 

Also, I believe that we can take political debates with a grain of salt. Questions at public debates are very carefully controlled by the powers-that-be, and we're not going to hear anyone add any meaningful content to the real issues.
 
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It's time to have leadership that can get out of their trenches. I'm not sure that person will be Senator Obama ... only time will tell.

 
One thing for sure...Obama seems quite adept at projecting feel-good, sound-good rhetoric. But so far, I haven't seen any real content.

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 11:08:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		LaM, nice link, and I might see what you mean. The quote therein speaks of a disadvantaged upbringing, which he has not suffered. I grew up poor and Ill tellya, if I were Black things would probably have been worse. When one speaks of "how rough it was", it is better coming from someone who had it rough.

juliaoceana, you voted for Dennis ? I didn't realize he had recognition all the way in CA, or was that at a time when you were not yet there ? I met Dennis about 10 years ago. People against him around here call him cocksnitch. I think he is way better than most politicians, but we don't agree on alot of things.

As far as Obama goes, I would probably tend to suppot him until "they" do. Once "they" support him I know he sold out.

T

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 11:09:08 AM   
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the insinuation that liberals are racist is just wrong...




      Is it?  I don't believe I made such a sweeping generalization, but the argument could certainly be made.  Many liberal policies and much of the rhetoric really implies (at least to me) that minorities cannot hope to achieve without preferences, ie, they just aren't as good as white folk.  And their hearts bleed for the poor things...

      Obama would face incredible pressure in the primaries.  I don't think he could secure the nomination, but he he might get the bottom slot on the ticket (I dunno, the magic 8-ball might need new batteries).


Funny, I never felt that affirmative action made me less of a human being, and I may well get into graduate school due to being a woman. I will take that edge the way white men have taken theirs in this country for hundreds of years. It did not hurt their self esteem to be given the right to freedom, the vote, property rights because of their gender and skin color... why should it make me insecure now that the playing field is a little level?

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 11:43:03 AM   
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As far as Obama goes, I would probably tend to support him until "they" do. Once "they" support him I know he sold out.    T


I would go so far to say that he won't get "their" support unless he sells out. And without their support, he knows damn well that his Presidential aspirations don't have a snowball's chance in hell.

That's why he's been very careful not to talk content. So far, it's all been feel-good, sound-good fluff. It's all sizzle, and no steak. He's smart enough to know that if he dares changes course, he's gonna get dumped like a hot potato.  

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 12:16:37 PM   
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That's why he's been very careful not to talk content. So far, it's all been feel-good, sound-good fluff. It's all sizzle, and no steak.

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 1:44:56 PM   
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Yeah, that's one of the things I don't like about him.

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That's why he's been very careful not to talk content. So far, it's all been feel-good, sound-good fluff. It's all sizzle, and no steak.



Same thing I don't like about him. Whatever happened to the type of candidate who is content with the mindset that I'm gonna come in for four years do what's good for the country and it's people and then go back to my private life?

We need someone who's going to come in and kick these shitheads and sell out's right in the crack of their ass and define them for what they are before ALL of the people ; we need someone totally anti-establishment and internally nationalistic, who doesn't care about party-affiliations / loyalty.

Look here's what true.....you pick a neocon again you're gonna end up policies beholden to an imperialistic-Big brother mentality and extreme corporatism. You pick a ''loyalist'' from the democratic party, you're gonna get more regulations, more big government, Hollywood types, elite, egghead professors and folks like Richard Holbrook and Zbigniew Brzezinski guiding our foreign/defense policy antagonistically towards Russia instead of Ali Baba and his vision of C4 and seventy-two virgins in the middle east



Now keep watching the networks, do what they say and pick your poison



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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 2:07:28 PM   
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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 2:17:21 PM   
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ORIGINAL: juliaoceania


the insinuation that liberals are racist is just wrong...




     Is it?  I don't believe I made such a sweeping generalization, but the argument could certainly be made.  Many liberal policies and much of the rhetoric really implies (at least to me) that minorities cannot hope to achieve without preferences, ie, they just aren't as good as white folk.  And their hearts bleed for the poor things...

     Obama would face incredible pressure in the primaries.  I don't think he could secure the nomination, but he he might get the bottom slot on the ticket (I dunno, the magic 8-ball might need new batteries).


Funny, I never felt that affirmative action made me less of a human being, and I may well get into graduate school due to being a woman. I will take that edge the way white men have taken theirs in this country for hundreds of years. It did not hurt their self esteem to be given the right to freedom, the vote, property rights because of their gender and skin color... why should it make me insecure now that the playing field is a little level?



       And will you sing the same song when your son is denied entry to one of the better UC campuses because he is a white male?  Or can't get financial aid?

        Gee, he might have to join the Army...

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 9:23:59 PM   
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If he's any good he won't be saying what HE believes in he'll be asking The People what they want done.


Well, Popeye and I don't agree very often (although I always greatly respect his ability to debate with class), but this is one time we do agree. I'm a lot less interested in a candidate that has a defined platform, and more interested in a good honest candidate that will do the will of the American people.

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RE: Barack Obama - 12/3/2006 9:39:56 PM   
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Our Dearest Popeye..
 
Don't you think that  the government..which makes, modifys and exercise those laws, should have people that UNDERSTAND law be the most qualified...hense Lawyers.
 
I sure wouldn't want someone removing my spleen not to be a doctor. There is nothing wrong with knowledge..it's all in how you use it.  (but I'm sure you know that :)  smooochums


Lotus, there are too many lawyers in our govt.
They are writing laws now that feather the nests of their own profession.
If the Congress needs lawyers to help them write laws they have them already on staff.
Do you think there's a shortage of lawyers in Washington, D.C.? (lol)
I wonder what the framers of the Constitution did? Did they send out for a lawyer to check their work?

Law making does smack of job creation for lawyers, doesn't it. A sort of priestly class setting themselves up as the sole interperters of an inscrutable language and protocol. Laws should be written in plain language and should be comprehensible by anyone matriculating from the public education system.

Z.

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