RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses

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mgdartist -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/12/2006 1:11:51 AM)
quote: urnotworthy: "Also unlike some religions they don't belive in hell at all (contrary to popular myth)." No Hell? So where am I sposeda hang out after I croak? An what about my friends? Jesus...after all these frickin mortgage payments while alive, I die and wind up homeless?. Besides, for me to be scared of losing my soul enough to turn Jo, there had better be a seething white hot lake of burning torment awaiting below, or I'm stickin to the porno DVD's.

CandleInTheWind -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/13/2006 3:30:12 AM)
i dont know if anyone is aware but i figured i would also raise this issue just as the nazis were killing of the jews...the witness also were people to be destroyed...the jews wore yellow stars..the witnessesses wore purple triangles. I personally do not take offense at anyone taking issues in response to religion.....everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs.. have a great day little red

TreSwank -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/14/2006 4:53:33 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind .....everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs.. Except for Muslims. What a bunch of backwoods, camel humpin', jihad-declarin', fatwa lovin' bastards. Those guys are serious weirdos.

MasterKalif -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/15/2006 2:40:55 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreSwank Except for Muslims. What a bunch of backwoods, camel humpin', jihad-declarin', fatwa lovin' bastards. Those guys are serious weirdos. huh? what you are saying there is non-sense.

TreSwank -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/15/2006 6:24:00 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: MasterKalif quote: ORIGINAL: TreSwank Except for Muslims. What a bunch of backwoods, camel humpin', jihad-declarin', fatwa lovin' bastards. Those guys are serious weirdos. huh? what you are saying there is non-sense. Wherever the Muslim religion flourishes, oppression, draconian punishments, and violence will follow. It may be true that Christianity has had it's inquisitions and witch burnings, but most of us have evolved way past countries that support the killing of promiscuous women in order to preserve the "honor" of good, Muslim families. What can you really expect from a religion whose main prophet had a penchant for marrying nine year old's? Poor Aisha. Oh no - I hope I didn't hurt Allah's feelings. (He's got self-esteem issues that he's still working out in group therapy). Those swarthy bastards might pass a death sentence on poor little TreSwank, yet. Some of you think that the Jehova's Witnesses are brainwashed........right? When's the last time you saw a Witness knock on your door, and walk into your house with a bomb strapped to his chest? When's the last time you saw those tract-lovin' folks hang a sixteen-year old girl for having sex out of wedlock?

MasterKalif -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/15/2006 12:50:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreSwank Wherever the Muslim religion flourishes, oppression, draconian punishments, and violence will follow. It may be true that Christianity has had it's inquisitions and witch burnings, but most of us have evolved way past countries that support the killing of promiscuous women in order to preserve the "honor" of good, Muslim families. What can you really expect from a religion whose main prophet had a penchant for marrying nine year old's? Poor Aisha. Oh no - I hope I didn't hurt Allah's feelings. (He's got self-esteem issues that he's still working out in group therapy). Those swarthy bastards might pass a death sentence on poor little TreSwank, yet. Some of you think that the Jehova's Witnesses are brainwashed........right? When's the last time you saw a Witness knock on your door, and walk into your house with a bomb strapped to his chest? When's the last time you saw those tract-lovin' folks hang a sixteen-year old girl for having sex out of wedlock? ok...interesting discussion will develop here I am sure. First of all...there is the case of Turkey...a modern Muslim nation, in relative peace and progress. The fools who act violently against women because of protecting a false sense of honor in their families doesn't have to do with Islam at all, but rather with tribal and traditional upbringing, religion being used as an excuse when confronted with this violence. If you think about it, this is more prevalent in countries with strong tribal traditions such as Pakistan and Afghanistan (at least under Taliban rule) As for the phrophet having nine year olds as concubines or whatnot, I do not have sufficient evidence or information on that...and in this day and age that is not sure...does it comeout in the Koran? Likewise we could talk about passages (ok stories) of the Christian bible whereby incest takes place, where open sexual acts ocurr, etc...that is because back then these things were accetable, and it was religion that tried to change those things....and modernity has done the rest since. However, the solution I see to this is non-religious education being enforced in those countries, the dictator of Pakistan, Gen. Musharraf should impose the rule of law of the land over tribal traditional courts (after all he does admire Attaturk so I have read yet he has not followed what Attaturk did in Turkey to modernize Pakistan)...and those things will change. In terms of honor, this is very important for a Muslim, however it does not specify (that I am aware) that to preserve honor women need to be kicked out of their homes or beaten for whatever reason. The only thing about Islam that would put it at odds with the western world today is that it stated that the wife has to be duty-bound to her husband and such, but we must remember when this was written, and after all in the western world this was also the case for a very long time...until fairly recently.

TreSwank -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/15/2006 3:05:26 PM)
I've been to Marmaris (Aksaz), Turkey, while on military deployment and I've just gotta say, that if Turkey is a "modernized and peaceful" Muslim nation, we're all in a big fat world of hurt. Before stepping foot on dry land, we were given briefings on the importance of "not discussing religion" to avoid becoming the VICTIMS OF VIOLENCE. You could just sense the resentment of white, American Christianity in the air while walking through the streets of that dirty, cesspool of a country. Black men? DESPISED by the Turks. The next day, upon leaving, we heard that a bomb had been set off on a tourist bus in Istanbul. It's a damn good thing that nobody had decided to take leave and travel to the capitol city, because they may very well have been victims of these unscrupulous zealots. Ain't it sad when you can't even casually mention your religious affiliation in a country for fear of your life? Even in "modernized" Muslim countries, women are the victims of an ideological, uber-patriarchial zeitgeist. Any way the cookie crumbles, Islam is no damn good.

MasterKalif -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/15/2006 6:14:00 PM)
TreSwank, yes it is sad....however I would attribute that more to Saudi Arabia with its extreme Wahhabism sect...which pervades every single aspect of life...which is like no life at all in my opinion. Turkey is usually an example of a modern nation, maybe you went to the more backwards eastern part of the country, I visited Istanbul and it was beautiful and very European in its influences (allright a mix) but very civilized, and was impressed. The Turks I have made acquaintences too were highly nationalistic and anti-extremists, and were "bad" Muslims (they drank, checked out women, etc you get the idea). I think too that some countries resent the American military and therefore the problem I think would lie more with that. I am not saying Turkey is perfect, but Attaturk's reforms were far reaching and pulled that country out of the middle ages, implemented wide state education, and can be an example for the other nations in the region. It is also the only Muslim country to have good ties with Israel, as well as military exchanges, etc. I dunno see I live in Egypt, I am Catholic, and no one ever chastised me or my parents for it...the Americans in the community (in Cairo) were loved and people liked them because they did things for the neighborhood the American School was in...the boy scouts would go around putting street signs in Arabic and English, as well as watering the plants around the area, making that part of the city beautiful. It is important to mentioned that the lower class Egyptians (I am talking back in 1989 or 1990) loved the United States, just chastised its help to Israel as mistaken, but that is about it. The Egyptian elites however despised the Americans, which makes it ineteresting as many have studied in the US or have travelled here. I also lived in Morocco, another muslim country, which was the most liberal Muslim country I have ever been to, and extremely peaceful....we can argue that it is a false sense of peace maintained by the regime of the King....however the new king, Mohammed VI is very liberal and much moe open than his father. Point being, there are many shades of grey in between.

CandleInTheWind -> RE: "Awake" Magazine and Jehova's Witnesses (12/15/2006 10:29:04 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: TreSwank quote: ORIGINAL: CandleInTheWind .....everyone is entitled to thier own beliefs.. Except for Muslims. What a bunch of backwoods, camel humpin', jihad-declarin', fatwa lovin' bastards. Those guys are serious weirdos. no in my humble opinion everyne is entitled to their own opinion...be it those that feel bowing to a tree is the right thing to do...as long as you do not expect me to "worship" you or call you Godess or something of that sort...then good luck to you....It is mu humble belief that pretty much all religions are one and that they were kind of shattered and developed kind of like a really bad game of telephone....and so each one has similarities but major differences based upon the transcirber of that part of history... how the self dieties came about?? no clue

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