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Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 8:50:33 AM   
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In another thread in this section, there were several good books mentioned as far as something that a dominant might consider to read and consume rather than the usual that is spewed about when they the question is raised.
 
Because of an innate curiousity (and, I might get some reading ideas  - I am a voracious reader of everything from cereal boxes to serial books),  - - -
 
 - - - I was wondering what book (not most influenced you, but) has had influence on you (as a dominant and/or a submissive) that was unusual in regard to it not being 'directly related' - but, that you found poignant to your life and how you live it as a dominant/submissive/switch/outlet.
 
Looking for a title, an author, and a reason -
 
 - - - In the same regard, what schooling or training have you had which influenced your thinking in regard to who you 'are', how you perceive the world and deal with others and how you approach your place in a relationship.
 
I mention this because (although, I know that LA shall induce search and prove me incorrect) I do not recall this being discussed and it devined a lot of significant thought from me (something which seldom happens).
 
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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 9:19:13 AM   
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I had classes in business school involving leadership and power, and those topics are indispensable to a dominant.

One of the books that sticks in my mind is The Prince by Macchiavelli, and although it is about using power and politics as a leader of a nation and confronting enemies, I found a lot of ideas about being harsh and decisive that can be quite effective if you're just leading  an individual.

I also like topics  from psychology like behavior modification and operant conditioning. I can't think of any books, though paging around on wikipedia would probably work.


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 9:42:33 AM   
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Well we've had threads where people birng up a book which inspired them, mostly in the off topic forum.

The ones I will toss in is Conversations with God by Neale Donald Walsch and the Starlight Crystal by Christopher Pike.  I read them both in high school and they both took what I had always FELT and turned it from a bunch of flotsam and jetsam in my existence into a full quilt of reality.

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 11:33:28 AM   
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Beyond the books you find at in sites lets see

King Warrior Magician Lover  Can't give you author at the moment it's loaned out.
First book I read that used Jung archetypes.
Helped to formulate the ideas that Dominance and sadism can be combined with other more "gentle" traights to form a whole person.

The books that came out ing the "Men's Movement" had some effect but not always the ones the books intended.
Fire in the Belly gave me some tools to work towards redefining what a man was without all the feminist social dogma, but not so cheuvanist as the older models of manhood we had comming up either.


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 11:49:58 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline
 - - - I was wondering what book (not most influenced you, but) has had influence on you (as a dominant and/or a submissive) that was unusual in regard to it not being 'directly related' - but, that you found poignant to your life and how you live it as a dominant/submissive/switch/outlet.
 
Looking for a title, an author, and a reason -

The Velveteen Rabbit by Margery Williams - On the sruface, this is a little book about how a toy rabbit becomes a real rabbit. Underneath, it's about embracing who you are and finding that one thing that makes you Real. Mastery is that for me. I especially like the quote: "...once you are Real you can't be ugly, except to people who don't understand."

Lady in the Water, A Bedtime Story by M. Night Shyamalan - This is the actual bedtime story book, not the film (although the film is excellent, too). This is about awakening because you've come to fulfill your destiny. Again, it's about being a Master for me.

Dune by Frank Herbert, specifically the Bene Gesserit "Litany Against Fear" - This has been my mantra during several period in my life.

The Way of the Peaceful Warrior by Dan Millman - About learning who you really are and reaching for your potential.

Sacred Contracts by Caroline Myss - A self-reflective journey into your Archetypes and how they work with and against you.

Any and all books I read as a teenager that were about destiny, coming into your own, standing up for who you are no matter what and living life with integrity. Some are: The Dragonriders of Pern series (in particular those about Harper's Hall), The Black Cauldron Trilogy, The Dark is Rising series, The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe series...there are too many to name, really.


 
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- - - In the same regard, what schooling or training have you had which influenced your thinking in regard to who you 'are', how you perceive the world and deal with others and how you approach your place in a relationship.



I have an MS in Physics. I'm very analytical and a critical thinker (as if ya'll couldn't have ever guessed, what with the whole manual thing). I also trained in classical piano as a teenager (and still have some of it) and have been crafting and sewing (including hand quilting) all my life. So, I'm creative. I've studied a wide variety of spiritualities, so I have a tendency to be fluid in that area. All these combine to create me, as a Master...as a person. As for some specific "vanilla" skills that created specific "kink" skills:
Music - I'm very rythm oriented
Macrame - I can do very pretty Shibari
Sewing (machine and hand) - I can make cool clothes as well as pierce well.
Majorette as a kid - flogging
Spinning poi - double flogging
Physics - an understanding of HOW toys work
Crafting - ability to be creative

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 1:19:38 PM   
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Melody Beattie, The Language of Letting Go.

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 4:34:19 PM   
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Sir-
 
I have a manual from the School of the Americas...
 
Nah, Just kidding.
 
There are three novels by Katherine Neville ( A Calculated Risk, The Eight, and The Magic Circle ) that, while never using any words such as dominant, submissive or the like, give an excellent veiw of the inside of a sbmissive womans head in her interactions with dominant males.
 
My regards to your girl. How's life out yonder? My island isn't the same with out you.
 
Stay warm,
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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 6:43:28 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: MasterFireMaam
The Black Cauldron Trilogy, The Dark is Rising series,



Mm... these were my favorites as a kid.  Especially the Dark is Rising. I always wished there were more.


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/7/2006 7:20:46 PM   
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Lawrence!
 
We miss you folks as well...
 
It is lonely in NJ... the cat walked out and returned to LI after it discovered it's litter box was being used as toxic waste dump and the EPA declared it was a "superfund site" - he really did not mind it, but he could not read the paper in the morning with people demanding he wear a poop suit and full respirator... (I think he found it insulting)
 
Also, the dog disappeared after pooping on Mr. Sonestro D'Miglio's garden last week... I am assuming he will show up, but Mr. D;Miglio insists that it is useless and tells me to "fugetaboutit" (whatever that means - I think it is Italian or something).
 
Also - the girl is pining away about missing you folks horribly and has taken to sitting in front of the gas stove and breathing heavily (between you and I, I think she was trying to blow out the pilot light - but, she is just poo-poohing that as reactionary).
 
There are some neat people across the street - apparently they are chemists as they have chemicals delivered about once a day... I thought the people sitting in the car across from them were their employees, but they insist that they are just waiting for someone - they have great donuts however - and, give me one every day when I go for my walk.
 
On the walk I am seeing interesting things. Did you know that you can pay your tickets in Jersey through the local police... apparently that is the way it works here - although, I did note that there are options to the payments (there is a corporal alternative I do not antway otay iscussday noay inelay).
 
Anyhow - that is the news from New Jersey - it looks like I am going to be getting a contract in Alabama next.... (have you seem the thread about Lobotomies?)
 
Sincerely:
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Sir-
 
I have a manual from the School of the Americas...
 
Nah, Just kidding.
 
There are three novels by Katherine Neville ( A Calculated Risk, The Eight, and The Magic Circle ) that, while never using any words such as dominant, submissive or the like, give an excellent veiw of the inside of a sbmissive womans head in her interactions with dominant males.
 
My regards to your girl. How's life out yonder? My island isn't the same with out you.
 
Stay warm,
Lawrence


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/8/2006 5:39:58 PM   
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A book that my Lord recommends often is Authentic Happiness by Martin E. P. Seligman.  It is a book about building your character strengths and virtues in order to live a more fulfilled life. 

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/10/2006 10:20:02 AM   
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It depends on what type on dominant you practice. I am not a D&D type guy when it comes to sex and my tastes. I have a law degree and a background in martial arts and psychology PLUS I am a Black Man. I recommend go online with your local library (most catalogs are on line now) thinking about your personal methodology and skillsets and fit your books.
I researched: male dominance - female submission - management - hypnosis - yoga - mediation, among few hundred other things.

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/10/2006 10:36:27 AM   
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Taming Your Gremlin, by Rick Carson.

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/10/2006 4:26:39 PM   
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During my College days just 5 yrs ago I read a book by Daniel Goldman Emotional Intelligence that is good on how people think and feel it would be a good one.  Another recommended by a PSY instr is Zebra Don't _____.  I think it was Wear Plaid, it was a really goofy title.  Do not have name of author.  Another book I like for learning about human behavior is on Co-Depenency  Women Who Love to Much.  Do not have author, book loaned out never returned.  I hope these help.


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/11/2006 8:44:52 AM   
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The Tao of Pooh, Benjamin Hoff
The Te of Piglet, Benjamin Hoff
The Velveteen Principles: A Guide to Becoming Real Hidden Wisdom from a Children's Classic, Toni Raiten-D'Antonio
The Art of War, Sun Tzu
First, Break all the Rules, Marcus Buckinham and Curt Coffman

Those are some off the top of my head.  However, there are a lot of non fiction and fiction books that have helped me in my path to myself and how to manage others.  I have a ton of books on history, spirituality, religion, sex, management, organization, etc that help me in what I do.

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/11/2006 2:48:03 PM   
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Thank you DBD -
 
But, this is not a research project of mine - simply idle curiosity in order to establish non-standard books, articles, movies, references which people might think about from time to time, considering that they had an impact in how they conduct themselve and/or how they perceive themself in their dominance and/or submission.
 
For instance - you (with your stated background) might find centering in a relatively odd book (as juxtiposed to your statements) such as "Good Night Moon" or the "Cat in the Hat" - and, there would be a reason for it which you could share.
 
My background is more military, technical, and managerial  - and, I find great wisdom in the writings of humorists throughout the course of history (I recently discovered Terry Prachett - much to [some] posters on CM's confusion)...
 
Thinking about that gave me pause when I read that other posting - and, a considerable wondering about what other people found inspirational and/or significant in the lives relative to WIITWD.
 
~J
 
By the way folks - I am writing these down if I do not already own them - and, if I find a question about "why you" found the book you mention significant, I hope you do not mind my asking - as that may be the only way I will know.
 
Thank you all.

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It depends on what type on dominant you practice. I am not a D&D type guy when it comes to sex and my tastes. I have a law degree and a background in martial arts and psychology PLUS I am a Black Man. I recommend go online with your local library (most catalogs are on line now) thinking about your personal methodology and skillsets and fit your books.
I researched: male dominance - female submission - management - hypnosis - yoga - mediation, among few hundred other things.

good luck


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/11/2006 3:34:04 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

  - - - I was wondering what book (not most influenced you, but) has had influence on you (as a dominant and/or a submissive) that was unusual in regard to it not being 'directly related' - but, that you found poignant to your life and how you live it as a dominant/submissive/switch/outlet.
 
Looking for a title, an author, and a reason -


Title: Looking Out for Number One
Author: Robert J. Ringer
Mass Market Paperback: 352 pages
Publisher: Fawcett; Reissue edition (September 12, 1985)
ISBN: 0449210103
Original Publication: 1977

TOC:

1.  Looking Out For Number One
2.  The Perspective Hurdle 
3.  The Reality Hurdle 
4.  The People Hurdle
5.  The Crusade Hurdle
6.  The Financial Hurdle
7.  The Friendship Hurdle
8.  The Love Hurdle
9.  The Starting Line

Partial Amazon Review:

Reviewer:    David H. Downing (West Chester/Exton, PA)

As others -- including Ringer himself -- have said, this is NOT a book about disregarding the rights and feelings of everyone but yourself. In fact, according to the principles presented in the book, such disregard is ultimately self-defeating. This book IS about having a realistic understanding of what motivates everyone including yourself. Like it or not, people want to make the best deal they can make for themselves -- which means if you believe everyone has a moral/ethical obligation to respond to your needs, you'll constantly be disappointed, frustrated, hurt, and a prime target for every con artist with swamp land to sell. How many people do you know who are bitter and angry over life not giving them a better deal -- but who have never given anybody any reason to offer them one? Conversely, if you go through life determined to show everyone how totally selfless you are, you'll also constantly be disappointed, frustrated, hurt, and a prime target for every con artist with swamp land to sell. How many people do you know who are bitter and angry over all the "totally unselfish" things they've done that have gone unrecognized and unrewarded -- and who might be better off and better liked if they'd acknowledge the hidden price tag?

Reason:  I bought this book the year I got out of High School, and was one of my first introductions to concepts that I had observed but didn't have a coherent framework to hang it all together.

It's a book about philosophy, but isn't about philosophy.  Very easy to read and comprehend, and funny as hell in places.

I think the biggest impact that it had on my life was the cold/slap-in-the-face realization that I was responsible for myself, my life, my relationship, my failures and my successes.  For a young man who is interested in "being a dom", I think it gives a framework about individual responsibility that is simply hard to beat anywhere else, without being preachy or boring, or lost in a bunch of psychological mumbo-jumbo.

Ringer has several other books which I've not read, except for his famous "Winning Through Intimidation".  I actually read it first, and it's a good lead up to the more complete "Looking Out For Number One", and gives you a good handle on how other people use intimidation, emotional blackmail and all those other "techniques".

A few Amazon extracts:

If you've ever found yourself coming out on the short end of the stick, you'll appreciate the rewards that can be yours when you take the initiative in every area of your life....  this ... explains in candid terms what intimidation is, why you become intimidated and how you can avoid the mental lapses that can cause you to fall victim to intimidation.

and

Imagine my surprise to find that "Winning Through Intimidation" (which is a misnomer, "Winning Through Not Letting Yourself GET Intimidated" is a more appropriate, if less colorful, title) is filled with great fundamental, common sense advice for anyone ...

and

Then along comes Robert Ringer with this classic book. Unlike all the other success books I have ever read, this book tells it like it is. Ringer points out in this book that whether you and I like it or not, the world of business is not played on a nursery school playground. It is played in a brutal jungle where the name of the game is to finish with the most chips (money) in your lap. You either accept this reality and play the game to win,or get out of the business game altogether.
Ringer also takes on the two cornerstones of most success books--"postitive thinking" and "working hard". Ringer's philosophy demolishes these two traditional theories.
If you're used to positive thinking, new-age, give and give to the other person and hope you're going to be paid in the end kind of book, then Winning Through Intimidation isn't for you. However, if you're tired of losing, buy this book and read it ten times.

Reason:  This book opens up your eyes to how others will attempt (and often succeed) in manipulating you to get what they want.  It gives you a framework to handle those people, and techniques to avoid being someone elses non-consenual "plaything".

Again, I think any young dom would benefit from learning these things.

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 - - - In the same regard, what schooling or training have you had which influenced your thinking in regard to who you 'are', how you perceive the world and deal with others and how you approach your place in a relationship.
 


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/11/2006 3:43:39 PM   
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I find it oddly uniform that former military personnel are also influence by Heinlein.
 
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I wanna live a life of danger..."
 
 
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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/11/2006 9:21:05 PM   
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

I find it oddly uniform that former military personnel are also influence by Heinlein.
 
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I wanna live a life of danger..."
 
 
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Ranger School.

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hehe,

I assume ya ain't a leg, LoD.

The way we use to sing that jody was:

"I wanna be an airborne ranger
I wanna live a life of sex and danger..." 

As for reading Heinlein ... hell, I think, sometimes,  discovering and reading Heinlein causes a lot of men to end up in the military.

He almost always has a rough, strong, dom-like character in most of his stories, even if they aren't the main character.  Jubal Harshaw in Stranger, Lazarus Long in Love (as well as Methuselah's Children and the entire Future History cycle of stories), Hubert Farnham in Farnham's Freehold , DD Harriman in The Man Who Sold the Moon ...

One thing all of them have in common is a strong, principled but generally socially renegade dominant man who have an understanding of people, and doesn't really care for anyone's opinion except his own.  He knows how to defend himself, is deadly in any circumstances, but is kind and patient with women and children.  Women seem to flock naturally to his strength, and men follow him despite the desire just to live quietly and in peace.

Sounds kinda dom-like to me.

Or, for some reason, strangely in sync with a lot of military men, especially in the combat arms/SoF community.

Damn.  Don't get me started on Heinlein.  I'll be here all night.

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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/12/2006 5:12:42 AM   
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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline


By the way folks - I am writing these down if I do not already own them - and, if I find a question about "why you" found the book you mention significant, I hope you do not mind my asking - as that may be the only way I will know.
 


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RE: Guides Beyond the Obvious - 12/12/2006 5:17:03 AM   
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hehe,

I assume ya ain't a leg, LoD.

The way we use to sing that jody was:

"I wanna be an airborne ranger
I wanna live a life of sex and danger..." 


Navy 'bubblehead nuke spook and kook' actually -son of Neptune and the bane of Posseidon - although I spent 6 weeks in Benning learning to remove myself from perfectly good planes while they were at the wrong place in relationship to an airstrip -and- the folks there did a bang up job of showing me how to kill paper and metal 'people' (who had really done me very little harm -although, there was that one that sliced me while I was clipping him to a support at the pistol range - but, even then I am not sure it was intentional).
 
They also sent us into that swamp down there. I believe they considered that "funny".
I considered it cold, wet, hungry and one long assed distance to walk on water (I do not for a minute believe that they did not have an available truck as they inferred).
 
The ditty is cleaned up for the board - although, I don;t remember the rendition you said (I was not really paying much attention)... just the one that the instructor assigned had us repeat as though it were the key to Solomon's Mines and we were the Key Master.
He was more than a bit obsessive about what we 'could' and 'could not' say and (oddly enough) thought that anyone not a Ranger was (how he put it) 'panty waste"...

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As for reading Heinlein ... hell, I think, sometimes,  discovering and reading Heinlein causes a lot of men to end up in the military.

He almost always has a rough, strong, dom-like character in most of his stories, even if they aren't the main character.  Jubal Harshaw in Stranger, Lazarus Long in Love (as well as Methuselah's Children and the entire Future History cycle of stories), Hubert Farnham in Farnham's Freehold , DD Harriman in The Man Who Sold the Moon ...

One thing all of them have in common is a strong, principled but generally socially renegade dominant man who have an understanding of people, and doesn't really care for anyone's opinion except his own.  He knows how to defend himself, is deadly in any circumstances, but is kind and patient with women and children.  Women seem to flock naturally to his strength, and men follow him despite the desire just to live quietly and in peace.

Sounds kinda dom-like to me.


I think we might have struck on the intelligent response to the Norman "Lange-sque Largese", philosophies and attitudes...
 
We should start a group and get a section on the boards and have people start treating us as though we are something 'better' than the 'average bear'...
 
(By the way, knuckle dragger - Heinlein was a squid  ;)

~J

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