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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 1:18:41 PM

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Remember that some masters actually don't like slaves with your level of thoughtless submission. Some masters actually like it when slaves have a will of their own.

Why oh why must we be so insulting on these threads? How do you know what level of thought those of us who submit differently than you put into our submission? If I say I have given my Master my complete submission and that means I now do every damn thing he wants of me, who is to say what my thoughts are about it, or what is shared in the most intimate conversations between my Master and I?

I find it ironic that your very next post was to tell someone to be nice, after this one.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 1:19:59 PM

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:P I was beeing nice... but I am curioouse if people think that makes me a "fake"

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 1:31:54 PM

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Creative Sir... does that make me less of a slave becuase I have these issues??

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Majik's slave,

You are the slave that you are, with the agreements that you have in place with your master. You are no more, no less than anyone else. You shouldn't have to question whether you are *less of a slave*, for your opinion. It's not a competition.

daddy'sprop lives a way of life that seems extreme to many people when viewing it from their perspective. She states the way things are for her unemotionally and with clarity but that does not mean that she has no feelings or angst, I would imagine. She has an acceptance of the way things are for HER and for what she chose.

I don't have an imagination great enough to cover every situation or circumstance that could arise.......life is stranger than fiction at times.

I am as certain as I can be ..that if a time came, when my moral outlook was at variance with his....... I would follow him. To all intents and purposes my outlook is in accordance with my master's.....that makes life quite comfortable in a way........but I also HAVE to know that I'd follow him, even if it it was not. Extreme circumstances test the best of us.

The question of pregnancy and life is a hugely emotive one. I've experienced all aspects of this issue and know full well that choices I made years ago would not be the same ones I'd make now.

agirl

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:21:28 PM

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I did the "right" thing 20 years ago by getting a vasectomy. But that only addresses
my respnsibility to not father anymore offspring.

While men have some responsibility when you get to the bottom line
women have the responsibility to protect THEMSELVES from pregnancy
in the first place. Don't expect men or mankind to do it for you.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:24:44 PM

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Remember that some masters actually don't like slaves with your level of thoughtless submission. Some masters actually like it when slaves have a will of their own.

Why oh why must we be so insulting on these threads? How do you know what level of thought those of us who submit differently than you put into our submission? If I say I have given my Master my complete submission and that means I now do every damn thing he wants of me, who is to say what my thoughts are about it, or what is shared in the most intimate conversations between my Master and I?

I find it ironic that your very next post was to tell someone to be nice, after this one.

It really wasn't meant as insulting. She doesn't think, or rather doesn't in a way that matters. She does as she is told by him. She has her own feelings and tells him such. Her thoughts don't matter and therefore her submission is "thoughtless", without thought. She never considers disobeying at all. That means it's "without thought". It's not meant as insulting in the slightest.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:26:21 PM

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I did the "right" thing 20 years ago by getting a vasectomy. But that only addresses
my respnsibility to not father anymore offspring.

While men have some responsibility when you get to the bottom line
women have the responsibility to protect THEMSELVES from pregnancy
in the first place. Don't expect men or mankind to do it for you.

I think the point is that if a master or dominant is going to chose what to do with a pregnancy then it is their responsiblity to keep one from happening. If both are going to decide then it's equal and if the woman is going to be deciding, it's up to her to decide.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:34:28 PM

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Magik's slave

well sometimes there are things we just cannot understand. for instance, i can't wrap my head around someone referring to themselves as slave, yet frequently and passionately proclaiming all the things they will not do or tolerate for their Owner. *shrug*

I have my morals and since my morals mesh with my Masters morals there is no problem and I am indeed a slave to him I do everything and anything he says and I know in my heart he would never order me to do something that would hurt me or others emotionaly of physicaly... You seem to wish to take a total lack of responsability by claiming you have no choise,,, however not makeing a choise IS makeing a choice!!

Magik's slave

Ok, slow down ladies.

ownedgirlie makes an observation that Magik's slave is being judgemental here but I wanted to point out that so is daddysprop247 when she raises the issue of whether someone else can be a slave if their definition and life does not match her own.

Let's be a bit fair ourselves if we want to claim others are being judgemental.

We are all making judgements about each other all the time as we read -- how we word our replies is a different matter I think.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:35:28 PM

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ORIGINAL: ownedgirlie

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ORIGINAL: MagiksSlave
:P I was beeing nice... but I am curioouse if people think that makes me a "fake"

Magik's slave

Why do you care who thinks what if you are solid in who you are?

MajiksSlave........... It doesn't matter what *people* think..... really, it doesn't. You could have 100 opinions that say they consider you a *fake* .....and 100 more that do not............what would you make of that?

Regards, agirl

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:35:55 PM

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ORIGINAL: AquaticSub

Remember that some masters actually don't like slaves with your level of thoughtless submission. Some masters actually like it when slaves have a will of their own.

Why oh why must we be so insulting on these threads? How do you know what level of thought those of us who submit differently than you put into our submission? If I say I have given my Master my complete submission and that means I now do every damn thing he wants of me, who is to say what my thoughts are about it, or what is shared in the most intimate conversations between my Master and I?

I find it ironic that your very next post was to tell someone to be nice, after this one.

It really wasn't meant as insulting. She doesn't think, or rather doesn't in a way that matters. She does as she is told by him. She has her own feelings and tells him such. Her thoughts don't matter and therefore her submission is "thoughtless", without thought. She never considers disobeying at all. That means it's "without thought". It's not meant as insulting in the slightest.

And yet you continue.

I don't consider disobeying, either. This does not make my submission to my Master thoughtless but I don't really care if people think it is or not. It just means I wouldn't think of disobeying. He's pretty impressed with my thinking practices and that's what matters to me. I'm finding the various paradigms and observations reflected by people to be quite interesting.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:44:17 PM

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I don't consider disobeying, either. This does not make my submission to my Master thoughtless but I don't really care if people think it is or not. It just means I wouldn't think of disobeying. He's pretty impressed with my thinking practices and that's what matters to me. I'm finding the various paradigms and observations reflected by people to be quite interesting.

I can personally attest to seeing Owned's thoughtlessness- anyone who wants to claim her in that state right now clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:53:24 PM

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It really wasn't meant as insulting. She doesn't think, or rather doesn't in a way that matters. She does as she is told by him. She has her own feelings and tells him such. Her thoughts don't matter and therefore her submission is "thoughtless", without thought. She never considers disobeying at all. That means it's "without thought". It's not meant as insulting in the slightest.

And yet you continue.

I don't consider disobeying, either. This does not make my submission to my Master thoughtless but I don't really care if people think it is or not. It just means I wouldn't think of disobeying. He's pretty impressed with my thinking practices and that's what matters to me. I'm finding the various paradigms and observations reflected by people to be quite interesting.

You do realize that part of being insulting is the intent behind the words right?

Ok she has stated numerous times that she does whatever she is told. Be it to abort children, have children, sleep with who or whatever or dance naked wearing a chicken head in traffic. Ok I made the last part up for comedic effect. That means *drumroll* she doesn't have to think about what she is doing. She just does it. She did think about who she would submit to but when she became his slave, she gave up everything. Now she only does what she is told.

That isn't a bad thing. So stop thinking I'm trying to insult her. It makes her happy, more power to her. *grins*

But it does make her submission "without thought". She doesn't "give a thought" to disobeying. That means: her submission = without thought. Thoughtless. Without thought.

Not everything in this world is meant as insult. Perhaps the word was not the best, but that doesn't mean it was an attack. Stop looking for flame wars.

Edit to add: I am not sure I have this right here either. To me, when there is no chance of disobeying, even if ordered to abort or have children, the submission is without thought and automatic. There is less of a person and more a robot-like human who just does as told. Hence the "thoughtless". Without thought.

I don't mean that to say that people who do deserve certain rights in their submission/slavery question their dominant or master. Does that make it better or am I still floundering around?

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 2:55:40 PM

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I don't consider disobeying, either. This does not make my submission to my Master thoughtless but I don't really care if people think it is or not. It just means I wouldn't think of disobeying. He's pretty impressed with my thinking practices and that's what matters to me. I'm finding the various paradigms and observations reflected by people to be quite interesting.

I can personally attest to seeing Owned's thoughtlessness- anyone who wants to claim her in that state right now clearly doesn't know what they are talking about.

I'm reminded of Curly in the Three Stooges - "I'm trying to think but nothing happens!!!"

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:00:48 PM

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I'm using fast reply....

I can't help but think that Aquaticsub, you are confusing thinking with doing. You can obey and have many (conflicting or harmonious) thoughts while obeying. Obeying has to do with the action, not the thought process that leads to the doing.

C~

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:01:27 PM

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You do realize that part of being insulting is the intent behind the words right?

I think you are an absolute loser.

But I don't intend that to be insulting.

I don't really think you're a loser, just trying to make a point.

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Ok she has stated numerous times that she does whatever she is told. Be it to abort children, have children, sleep with who or whatever or dance naked wearing a chicken head in traffic. Ok I made the last part up for comedic effect. That means *drumroll* she doesn't have to think about what she is doing. She just does it. She did think about who she would submit to but when she became his slave, she gave up everything. Now she only does what she is told.

That isn't a bad thing. So stop thinking I'm trying to insult her. It makes her happy, more power to her. *grins*

But it does make her submission "without thought". She doesn't "give a thought" to disobeying. That means: her submission = without thought. Thoughtless. Without thought.

I guess I'm seeing it differently than you. If I were told to do any of those things, I would put a lot of thought into it - how can I do this best? What would please him about this most? What psyche do I need to consider so I can endure this? How am I going to process this afterwards so I don't freak out about it? How will this have as little negative impact as possible and make him the most proud? Etc. Just because I do not think about disobeying the order does not mean there is no thought going into it. That's where I am coming from when I keep calling you on that remark.

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Not everything in this world is meant as insult. Perhaps the word was not the best, but that doesn't mean it was an attack. Stop looking for flame wars.

I do not have a history at all of taking things as insults or engaging in flame wars (okay maybe a few but it is extremely rare from me). So if I focus on a remark that someone has made which I find insulting enough to comment on, do not assume my intention is to start an argument. Hmm, there is that word intention again. I am trying to point out that your words - however intended - may be hurtful to others, and might just be disgreed with, too.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:01:34 PM

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It really wasn't meant as insulting. She doesn't think, or rather doesn't in a way that matters. She does as she is told by him. She has her own feelings and tells him such. Her thoughts don't matter and therefore her submission is "thoughtless", without thought. She never considers disobeying at all. That means it's "without thought". It's not meant as insulting in the slightest.

Countless times I've read that people do not consider disobeying......people in far less *absolute* relationships such as the one daddy'sprop has.

If her thoughts are asked for, they must matter.......even though they may not make the slightest bit of difference to the decision her master makes.

I don't live the way daddysprop does but if I am forced to follow a course of action, it doesn't mean my thoughts and feelings on it are invalid.

agirl

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:07:37 PM

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Just a general reply..~smiles~

Think about the time you first learned the word slave. What was the information you found on it about? I will venture to say that most heard about it through their school years.

I think that some of the division regarding what a slave is to begin with comes from those viewing slave from what we originally learned about it, and those looking at it more from a bdsm category and relationship forming.

What does it mean to you when your saying your a slave..you obey the owners will..your there for their pleasure above your own..you have no say in matters unless asked for them but never have final say in anything..your life is restricted in freedoms, rights, priveledges that others use at will.

Where are you coming from when you call yourself a slave? How many ways are there for you to view what a slave means? At what point and time did you come to learn that being a slave meant that once you gave yourself over to be owned that this still meant you had free will and choice?

Where did you learn that saying: I am his/her property to do with as they wish..own me heart, mind, body, soul..really only mean.."as long as you like it"? If that is the case..does it really have any value or purpose? Since when did the ball of choice beyond choosing to be owned or stop being a slave go further to include any choice you care to make while being owned of free will? If that is the case..is there any point in calling oneself slave?

What does being a submissive (noun form that is often used) have anything to do with being a slave? Does anyone feel that slaves who had or have no choice in becoming slaves are all submissives?

Again this is pointed at no one. Just trying to find out what people consider a slave to mean, and where they came up with that meaning.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:23:03 PM

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Ok she has stated numerous times that she does whatever she is told. Be it to abort children, have children, sleep with who or whatever or dance naked wearing a chicken head in traffic. Ok I made the last part up for comedic effect. That means *drumroll* she doesn't have to think about what she is doing. She just does it. She did think about who she would submit to but when she became his slave, she gave up everything. Now she only does what she is told.

That isn't a bad thing. So stop thinking I'm trying to insult her. It makes her happy, more power to her. *grins*

But it does make her submission "without thought". She doesn't "give a thought" to disobeying. That means: her submission = without thought. Thoughtless. Without thought.

I guess I'm seeing it differently than you. If I were told to do any of those things, I would put a lot of thought into it - how can I do this best? What would please him about this most? What psyche do I need to consider so I can endure this? How am I going to process this afterwards so I don't freak out about it? How will this have as little negative impact as possible and make him the most proud? Etc. Just because I do not think about disobeying the order does not mean there is no thought going into it. That's where I am coming from when I keep calling you on that remark.

To add to this, what, where, when and how are all the things that I think about when given an instruction. Just because a person does not think about disobeying the instruction doesn't mean they are not thinking at all.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:23:51 PM

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I guess I'm seeing it differently than you. If I were told to do any of those things, I would put a lot of thought into it - how can I do this best? What would please him about this most? What psyche do I need to consider so I can endure this? How am I going to process this afterwards so I don't freak out about it? How will this have as little negative impact as possible and make him the most proud? Etc. Just because I do not think about disobeying the order does not mean there is no thought going into it. That's where I am coming from when I keep calling you on that remark.

I do not have a history at all of taking things as insults or engaging in flame wars (okay maybe a few but it is extremely rare from me). So if I focus on a remark that someone has made which I find insulting enough to comment on, do not assume my intention is to start an argument. Hmm, there is that word intention again. I am trying to point out that your words - however intended - may be hurtful to others, and might just be disgreed with, too.

I've already said it might not have been the best word and you are breaking things down more then it needs to be.

If you obey without thought then you obey without thought. Putting a lot of thought into how you are going to do it doesn't change the fact that you are obeying everything without thought as to if you should or not. Yes I realize that should doesn't apply to most things, but I feel that for the topic here (abortion, adopation or keeping) one should think about that. If you happen to be addicted to heroin, you really shouldn't be keeping a baby, no matter what your master says because it's not fair to the baby. Unless you are getting yourself checked into a clinic of course. Just an example.

Also, I wasn't saying you have a history of looking for them. Honestly I haven't read enough of your posts to know anything about you. I just know that in this particular circumstance you seem to looking for insult where, as I've stated numerous times, none was intended. And to be fair, a miscalcuated word is a lot more innocent then "you are loser, but that's ok really."

Everyone makes mistakes and uses a wrong word now and again.

EDITED: To trim quote and attempt to fix my spelling.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:32:26 PM

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Exceedingly good point Starshine, and that coming from someone who doesn't classify herself as a slave.

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RE: Does he own my womb? - 12/9/2006 3:34:22 PM

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To add to this, what, where, when and how are all the things that I think about when given an instruction. Just because a person does not think about disobeying the instruction doesn't mean they are not thinking at all.

Knight's kyra

I wasn't saying that. Just that she obeys without thought in regard to everything (she has said she would get into a stranger's car if they told her to) and that makes her submission without thought.

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