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SusanofO -> RE: Degradation what's it like, what after care? (12/9/2006 10:23:05 AM)
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Thanks. To me I think maybe it really is one of those terminology things where some differentiate between the two, and some don't (which helps Humiliation along in getting its undeservedly (I think) bad rap to some folks. At least I think so). To me, it's all an individual preference, of course. There are things I personally might not want to do - but I couldn't give two hoots if other people want to do them (really). I guess I can't emphasize that enough.
But I guess I was curious if there actually are people out there practicing what I'd consider hard-core Degradation activity (and for me to consider it "hard-core", it would need to be pretty extreme. Not because I personally practice hard-core activity, or even Humiliation, on a regular basis, but because I really do think the "parameters" of what should constitute "normal" actvity should be pretty expansive in general in terms of almost any activity (outside of things that are obviously immoral, like, say, murder, etc.). I probably look like I am contradicting myself, and maybe I am. But I just thought this over, and feel, well - to each their own. But -I am still very, very curious about what some actually do consider "Degrading" (or if anyone out there is actually practicing Degradation, or if it is really what my conception of Humiliaition is, and they just are using a "different scale" of measure).
I didn't used to feel that way, but I sometimes get tired of listening to people who, for instance, partake heavily in activity X (which some would consider "off-beat") who then turn around and are "confused" as to why anyone would even consider participating in activity Y. I suppose it's just human nature at work (if you haven't tried it, you don't know what it is all about, maybe etc. Or maybe some have had a bad experience with it, or whatever). I understand it, and know that some genuinely are simply trying to learn more (I do that myself), But - I mean, we are on a bdsm website. Not expecting to read about things that may strike one as "out of the norm", so to speak, is a but un-realisitc, I think.
There are instances, of course, where people are just concerned for someone else's welfare (and that's heroic, and nice. Holly S comes to mind here - she is a professional therapist I think, (or studying to be one) and just concerned for people' welfare, and justifiably wants to make sure people understand this may be an activity area where one knows what one is doing before "diving in", so to speak).
But there are, let's face it, just as many instances where people are just predjudiced against an acitivity they don't "get" (and don't want to). My eternal question continues to be...why the Hell does anyone really care what anyone else wants to do?...and I am Not referring to Lotus here (I know Lotus, or feel I do from reading her posts a lot, and do think she was just curious and trying to get an interesting thread going. I do. I like Lotus a lot. But sometimes, with some folks, that's not the case. Why I am ranting about this I am not sure (it's not really a rant - just wondering).
But in any case, I do still want to know what some might consider " Degrading" out of sheer curiosity. I know that my views on what I'd not personally do haven't changed much (except Ifeel Archer did make a few very good points about "reframing the experience" for a submissive) - but am just plain curious.
The "Removal of clitoris" in the "Ask a Master" section thread the other day was a real hoot, and a perfect example. I just ended up sort of laughing my way through it because I didn't know how else to react. Predjudiced on my part? Maybe just "un-used to hearing about it in the first place". If I lived in Sudan, or something, I wouldn't be 1) Probably laughing as hard 2) Understand it better, maybe.
I am not promoting "Degradation" (Lord knows I am not going to be participating in what my conception of it is anytime soon). But, I don't care who else does it. I really don't). But anyway, I am convinced many think they are "hard-core" that aren't what I'd consider "hardcore", and some aren't that might be, etc. Just curious about that.
- Susan
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