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The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 2:16:00 PM   
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Can't admit the US has lost the IRAQ war. These nutjobs are now villifying James Baker as a loney toon.

How long can a policy of denial sustain itself?

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 3:04:00 PM   
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Can't admit the US has lost the IRAQ war. These nutjobs are now villifying James Baker as a nut job.

How long can a policy of denial sustain itself?


.. and now they have cleared Foley as "having done nothing wrong" 

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 4:10:05 PM   
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     Actually Lotus, I think it was the Leadership in the House that was cleared of wrong-doing, and they were found negligent in protecting the pages.  Given some of the people Pelosi tried to put in leadership positions, I doubt we are going to much better off with the Dems in charge.

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 5:58:29 PM   
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The laughable part (to me) is, that even they must know that nobody with a working brain cell believes them anymore. But - I could be wrong about that. There are still a lot of people out there, maybe, who don't like to think someone, or maybe even an entire party, that they previously trusted is somewhat full of weasels. 

I think they are protecting their futures and ability to cash in on things like writiing books after they leave office, by more or less excusing eachothers' behavior.  I wouldn't have said that five years ago, but I don't believe they are "in touch" with the public they are supposed to be serving to have much but a very insular point of view, overall, (in many cases. Least that's my opinion). So - what look like looney conclusions (and are, actually looney conclusions) are also just maybe an overblown case of CYA for later use and convenience, too (know what I mean?) It's very discouraging (to me).   

I am an independent (who used to be a Democrat). And there are still some Republicans I respect (John McCain, and Chick Hagel from my home state of Nebraska). But, I think overall, that they've really taken a (well-deserved, for the most part) hit as a party over the past few months.

- Susan  

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 6:05:42 PM   
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Oh those evil Republicans, Barney Franks live in gay lover was running a gay whore house from their townhouse. That was ok. Tom Foley sent an e-mail and he is gone...

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 6:16:24 PM   
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Well, there are screwed up Democrats, too. I really do think so (that's why I am an Independent).

But - I remember when Bush was nominated for President. He had that "deer caught in the head-lights" look for months. The Republicans couldn't find anyone else to run for President that year who was likely to win.

Sometimes I feel sorry for him. I don't think he really wanted to be President (but who ever turns down a nomination for President? Almost nobody). Too bad over US 2,000 soldiers (and countless Iraqis) lost their lives because he just wasn't very competent. I really think someone should be accountable for that - and the "buck supposedly stops" with Bush, as he is in the highest electable office in the nation, and therefore presumably the one who is "most accountable." Whether anyone in the Bush Administration will be held accountable remains to be seen, of course).

It's mostly the financial mis-management stuff that bothers me, because I do think Bush's heart was in the right place after 9-11, and he felt he had to react, and think he got loads of bad advice (plus, for whatever reason, I do think he wanted to go to war. Personally, I think it was an over-reaction to 9-11, emotionally, maybe). Still, 2000 US soldiers are dead (or more) and countless Iraqi civilians, and he could have just not followed that bad advice (he is President), and I think his judgment is off. And I don't want someone in the top job in the country whose judgment is off on that large a scale.

But as far as thinking it's his job to keep the US safe from terrorists - that is, actually his job, I think. Maybe he honestly tried to do it - I am not inside his head, so can't judge that altogether. But, if you accept the top-dog job, you accept the accountability that goes with it, and (to me) he doesn't appear to be doing a whole lot of that). 

He just seems to have so many greedy slime-balls working for him too, sometimes (although I do like Condoleeza Rice, and not because she is a woman, either) - I can't believe some of the people he appointed to cabinet positions (of course I was a little surprised when Clinton appointed George Stephanopolus  because he was something like 30 years old at the time, w/little experience, and I just thought it was stupid). And I still (sorry) can't believe that someone would start an entire war based on faulty information. This is the real world, for heaven's sake - not a game of Monopoly or "Risk" . Donald Rumseld really scared me - his whole attitude was so adolescent any time I read an interview. He thought more about his own ego, it seemed to me, than anything else. I get scared when people like that have lots of power (but now he's gone, thank God).

- Susan

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 7:13:28 PM   
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Oh those evil Republicans, Barney Franks live in gay lover was running a gay whore house from their townhouse. That was ok. Tom Foley sent an e-mail and he is gone...


Yup, and how soon they ~forget~........ 

it's always a two sided coin flopping on greased palms. 
my wing's right, but first i follow rational thought.  

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 10:00:48 PM   
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said it before and I'll say it again. The entire iraq war/afganistan terrorist purging conquests would be a lot easier to swallow if our defense dept (Rumsfeld most notably) had done the one thing that so glaringly needed doing after 911 - protect and seal our borders. Having not done so, everything they have done seems idiocy to me, patriot act or no.

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 10:40:14 PM   
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I'm wondering about this thread title.

Are there any left-wing Republicans???

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 10:51:45 PM   
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said it before and I'll say it again. The entire iraq war/afganistan terrorist purging conquests would be a lot easier to swallow if our defense dept (Rumsfeld most notably) had done the one thing that so glaringly needed doing after 911 - protect and seal our borders. Having not done so, everything they have done seems idiocy to me, patriot act or no.


I totally agree and so do all the radio talk shows I've listened to, tv talk shows, neighbors, friends, military buddys, and everyone else that I know.

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/9/2006 11:42:38 PM   
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So who have we lost the Iraq war to? Iraq? Musilims? The Terrorist? All the above?

Did we loose the war or was it that the after math has not turned out as planned? No matter what we do, America will never gain favor nor approval of the Middle East. We're damned if we do and we're damned if we don't.

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RE: The Right Wing Republicans - 12/10/2006 1:02:24 AM   
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I see the virtues of hindsight writ large here, I'm talking about comments on what's happening in Iraq now. If anyone needs to be condemned its the lunatic fundamentalist fringe in Iraq.

Most thought that when Saddam was removed the Iraquis, at the very least Saddam's opponents, might be just a little grateful.
Naaaaagh, they start killing one another, Special targets are those who want to work for the new Iraqui security forces.

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