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LordODiscipline -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 5:07:04 AM)

LOL... I laughed out loud on this thread -
 
That we do not have enough people complaining about how people see them in real life without imagining how someone would see us after our "ethno-basis" is evaporated on this panet....
 
Reminds me of the Geico advertisements with the Neanderthals who are complaining about being characterized as socially and technologically backward and rather stupid and hte offense they are taking.
 
Screw all of the Mayans... we Aztecs have never cared much for them anyway.
 
~J
 
PS: LadyEllen - it is a sad commentary that you should have to delineate about which 'Constantine' you were referring to - although, I that cracked me up to the point where the girl actually asked what was 'so funny'.

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them in declining civiliation just before Spain arrived to "save them" when they were involved with war and human sacrifice?

Ross

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Level -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 5:15:22 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

Reminds me of the Geico advertisements with the Neanderthals who are complaining about being characterized as socially and technologically backward and rather stupid and hte offense they are taking.
 

~J
 



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iomlEcaeZgQ





Saraheli -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 12:27:38 PM)

Ooops, damn wrong account signed in again!!




Arpig -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 12:29:12 PM)

What on earth for, and even more to the point who gives a fuck if they do?




Lordandmaster -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 3:42:21 PM)

I haven't seen the movie, and wouldn't know whether it's historically accurate if I did.  There are maybe 20 people on earth who can truly say whether it's accurate.

However...

if it's not accurate, I can understand why it would offend people.  Knowingly misrepresenting the history of an ethnic group, especially for the purposes of financial gain, has a way of pissing off their modern descendants.

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ORIGINAL: Arpig

What on earth for, and even more to the point who gives a fuck if they do?




LadyEllen -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 4:07:04 PM)

Its not the financial gain that would annoy me.

Its the forcing of the notion of Christianity as the sole, be all and end all, true religion in the world, down the throats of the largely ignorant and impressionable masses. (Abeit that I guess there wont be too many car chases and 'copter mounted machine guns in this particular production.)

I have no problem with proselytyzing(sp?) as such, but this sounds like more of the same insanely zealous evangelical nonsense as The Passion from our Mel; influencing the weak minded and ignorant to join the flock out of gratitude for the lifting of evil which Christianity is portrayed to accomplish. Strange how such films get made during a time when insane zealotry against another faith is required....

If I only had the money, I'd finance a film to show how the peoples of northern Europe were converted to the "true faith" through the "merciful compassion of revelatory preaching" through extreme violence, threats, maimings, torture, theft, destruction and murder. Maybe that would help to redress the balance on this issue.

But then again, I hope most people can see fascism in action when they see it, and will reject it, wondering alike with so many how the teachings attributed to Jesus of Nazareth can have come to be abused and twisted into such a worldview.

E





dcnovice -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 4:12:54 PM)

Has anyone actually seen the movie? I haven't yet.




michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 4:17:02 PM)

no, after suffering through "The Passion Of Christ" i vowed not to watch any more of "Director" Mel Gibson's movies...he was a much better actor than he is a director




Level -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/10/2006 4:18:39 PM)

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ORIGINAL: LadyEllen

Its not the financial gain that would annoy me.

Its the forcing of the notion of Christianity as the sole, be all and end all, true religion in the world, down the throats of the largely ignorant and impressionable masses. (Abeit that I guess there wont be too many car chases and 'copter mounted machine guns in this particular production.)

I have no problem with proselytyzing(sp?) as such, but this sounds like more of the same insanely zealous evangelical nonsense as The Passion from our Mel; influencing the weak minded and ignorant to join the flock out of gratitude for the lifting of evil which Christianity is portrayed to accomplish. Strange how such films get made during a time when insane zealotry against another faith is required....

If I only had the money, I'd finance a film to show how the peoples of northern Europe were converted to the "true faith" through the "merciful compassion of revelatory preaching" through extreme violence, threats, maimings, torture, theft, destruction and murder. Maybe that would help to redress the balance on this issue.

But then again, I hope most people can see fascism in action when they see it, and will reject it, wondering alike with so many how the teachings attributed to Jesus of Nazareth can have come to be abused and twisted into such a worldview.

E




This is the first I've heard that Apocalypto has any "proslytizing" in it.




Manawyddan -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/16/2006 6:27:56 AM)

I know the Mayans all did so much better after Constantine arrived ... I have no desire to see anything Gibson does, but are you sure the whites are unambiguously presented as the rescuers? Could some irony be intended?

My contempt for Gibson only increased after reading an interview with him where he said his bile against the Jews were a resonse to the unjust criticism he received from them, complaining about PotC being anti-Semetic. Oh, my heart bleeds.

Fuck 'im with a razor-lined dildo.




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/18/2006 3:48:23 AM)

Seems some are but most do not care. Guess most will need to see the movie. I for one will see it. He did pretty good in Braveheart which is a great soundtrack for play.

Ross

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Lordandmaster -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/24/2006 6:07:10 AM)

Well, I finally saw the movie.  It's actually not as bad as I was fearing (the promotion of Christianity is not overt; in fact, the hero turns away from the arriving Spanish at the end, and is implicitly lauded for it), but there are all kinds of historical inaccuracies.  The Wikipedia article points out many of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypto#Mesoamerican_history

Edited to add: I'm also very dubious that the Mayans used poison dart frogs (that's more typical of the Amazon region), but I don't know enough about this to say for sure.




Daddysredhead -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/24/2006 9:11:09 AM)

*wonders how many Mayans would go to the movies to see the movie*  [sm=confused.gif]  




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/24/2006 9:51:46 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

Well, I finally saw the movie.  It's actually not as bad as I was fearing (the promotion of Christianity is not overt; in fact, the hero turns away from the arriving Spanish at the end, and is implicitly lauded for it), but there are all kinds of historical inaccuracies.  The Wikipedia article points out many of them:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apocalypto#Mesoamerican_history

Edited to add: I'm also very dubious that the Mayans used poison dart frogs (that's more typical of the Amazon region), but I don't know enough about this to say for sure.


I am sure not every movie has been produced wit authentic historical accuracies...might not be for an exciting movie.

Ross




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/24/2006 9:54:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Daddysredhead

*wonders how many Mayans would go to the movies to see the movie*  [sm=confused.gif]  

By netflixs of course silly ;)

Ross




Lordandmaster -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/24/2006 9:01:30 PM)

I've never understood that point of view.  Which distortion was necessary to make the movie better?  You always hear the line, "Hey, it's movie, not a history book."  OK, but why would the movie have been worse if it hadn't gratuitously distorted history?  I'm sure he could have thought of a riveting story without turning the Mayans into primitive hunter-gatherers.  The idea that the Mayans would have been terrified by an eclipse (and it's a crucial plot element) is ridiculous.  Ignorant, frankly.

I still say it's not as bad as I was fearing, but the more I think about the movie (after having seen it last night), the less I like it.  It doesn't exactly age well.

The best "Old World meets New World" movie I've ever seen is Black Robes.  The Mission was very good too.

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

I am sure not every movie has been produced wit authentic historical accuracies...might not be for an exciting movie.




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/25/2006 1:27:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster

The best "Old World meets New World" movie I've ever seen is Black Robes.  The Mission was very good too.



The mission was good...great soundtrack...been using the soundtrack for play music since it came out. ;)

Something about the scene when he goes over the falls...yikes!

Merry Christmas to all here and your loved ones.

May you find what you need and help those less fortunate

Pass it forward

Ross




RazorJAK -> RE: Should Mayan people be concerned about the way Mel Gibson's Apocalypto film portrays them ? (12/26/2006 6:01:12 AM)

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ORIGINAL: LordODiscipline

PS: LadyEllen - it is a sad commentary that you should have to delineate about which 'Constantine' you were referring to - although, I that cracked me up to the point where the girl actually asked what was 'so funny'.

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Given that the average example of the american sheeple WOULD assume she was talking about the bastardization of the comic book character which Reeves raped with a serrated spiral bladed rusty iron dildo in that movie and would be confused about what Keanu had to do with the Roman Empire ... yes,  it IS a sad commentary.




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