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Thatguy04 -> past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 2:32:55 PM)

Hey, Ive had very limited experiance in the scene, and after talking to a few people, and due to some unfortunate personal experiances, I came to wonder if there is any real link between past sexual abuse (or even some other sort) and fetishes.

Personally, I went threw an unfortunate event when i was 7, and Ive always wondered if the reason that I am attracted to bondage and other such taboo things has anything to do with my past.

open for any opinions! thanks!




LuckyAlbatross -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 3:38:49 PM)

Reposted:

There's always the question of whether people in ds actually experience sexual abuse more than other social groups OR whether they are just more willing to talk about it as this is an alternate lifestyle social group, OR whether certain orientations somehow lead to people being vulnerable and more likely to experience abuse even at a very young age.  Until we really have a clear answer to that, we really can't discuss a correllation or causation with much certainty.


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MasterFireMaam -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 4:38:26 PM)

In my opinion, I feel that our past has made us who we are...and it directly influences us at every moment in all aspects of our lives. We can choose to be conscious of how that works (and change it if we don't like it, or keep it if we do), or we can choose to not. Either is valid...but one is probably a lot healthier.

Master Fire




jamesthehumanrug -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 4:39:16 PM)

greetings that guy04
there was some article in time somewhere that siblings have more influence on the sexual life of the offspring than anyone else in the kids life but if there are no siblings???????
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ORIGINAL: Thatguy04

Hey, Ive had very limited experiance in the scene, and after talking to a few people, and due to some unfortunate personal experiances, I came to wonder if there is any real link between past sexual abuse (or even some other sort) and fetishes.

Personally, I went threw an unfortunate event when i was 7, and Ive always wondered if the reason that I am attracted to bondage and other such taboo things has anything to do with my past.

open for any opinions! thanks!




Awsat -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 5:15:10 PM)

I too feel that past experiences influence one's fetishes and sexual preferences.

Having said that, I think that this is a very important topic and needs a very deep understanding of human nature.




SweetEscravo -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 5:38:39 PM)

I don't know about anyone else, but my most traumatizing sexual experience didn't happen until I was already kinky.




blondBBWsub -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 5:41:31 PM)

I can only respond to this on a very personal unobjective level. For me, the answer would be YES. I had something "unfortunate" happen at the tender age of 10. Over the years I have gone from horror/dislike to eroticizing the incident. Now, when nothing else will get me off, remembering this incident does. Admittedly I do have masochistic tendencies which, no doubt add to this. Other than that I can't even begin to understand...not sure I want to. It might take some of the pleasure away!




innatedesire -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 6:08:26 PM)

I am always analyizing myself, while i was never sexually abused there was definate emotional, verbal and physical abuse. As a teenager i found  myself in an extremely physically abusive relationship that lasted for 8 years. I left, i learned a lot about myself and walked away a very different person.
I have always been a pleaser since i can remember even as a young girl ,and i could not nor would i want to be any other way [:)].... i can still be me, i have learned to listen to my gut and make better choices as in the end it is my choice who i submit to.
i do not know if my past had anything to do with me being submissive but either way i would not have changed a thing, it has made me a better person and i chalk it up to one hell of a lesson learned, one i will never forget.




SusanofO -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 6:09:53 PM)

Boht of my parents had (and have, the one who is still living) extremely "strong", Dominant personalities. But I wasn't really ever abused, and had a happy childhood. Really. So I am not sure where this all "comes from" for me, except I sort of felt sometimes, "over-shadowed" because everyone else wanted to be the "center of attention" a lot of the time, so to speak (which was okay I guess, as I am naturally laid back anyway, in many ways).

- Susan 




Voltare -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 6:47:41 PM)

Briefly,

I understand part of adult sexuality is often linked to traumatic events - the younger, the more influential. 

I've dated a couple of women who had been raped.  Their fantasies often related to their rape experiences.  The first girl I ever did breathplay with had been abused as a child, regularly choked while she was raped. 

As adults, the re-living of traumatic sexual experiences seems to allow the person to experience the situation in a 'safe' environment - allowing them to face the situation again, better armed, and with a measure of control over the result.




CandleInTheWind -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 11:32:54 PM)

i had a therapist who was kink friendly tell me that basically my kinky ways are kind of trying to relive but change the outcome of things that happend when i was a kid..

just my 2 cents worth of thoughts

little red




Emperor1956 -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/10/2006 11:54:26 PM)

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LA:  There's always the question of whether people in ds actually experience sexual abuse more than other social groups OR whether they are just more willing to talk about it as this is an alternate lifestyle social group, OR whether certain orientations somehow lead to people being vulnerable and more likely to experience abuse even at a very young age.  Until we really have a clear answer to that, we really can't discuss a correllation or causation with much certainty.



OR whether there is correlation without causation OR whether there is no connection whatsoever.

This question comes up all the time, both I think internally for many of us (WHY am I like this?) and here on the chat boards.  People love to tell anecdotes.  But in fact no one has proven any sort of connection.  It looks like many people into B/D/S/M have histories of childhood sexual abuse.  Then again, I know people who have long histories of childhood sexual abuse who have no interest in B/D/S/M, or who are repulsed by it.  I know many kinky people who grew up in "normal" households with no abuse.  Find one example, and there you have it...one example.

What is frightening, and deserves note, is the apparently high rate of sexual abuse among children who grew up in the last 1/2 of the 20th Century.  It seems at times almost epidemic.

and: 
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As adults, the re-living of traumatic sexual experiences seems to allow the person to experience the situation in a 'safe' environment - allowing them to face the situation again, better armed, and with a measure of control over the result.



This is a canard.  It sounds oh-so-good, for the therapist who now is in the know, and for the Dom who can think to himself or herself "look what a good person I am, this kinky, possibly abusive sex is really helping my partner!"  In fact there is absolutely no basis for this proposition.  People who are traumatized sometimes do attempt to "relive" the trauma; just as many run from any situation that could remotely resemble the traumatic event.  If it makes you feel good to think that there is a "safe, sane" reliving of the rape/abuse etc., then by all means, keep telling yourself that.  But as a generalization to explain WIIWD, its a warm fuzzy lie, all the same.

E.




mons -> RE: past abuse and fetishes, is there a link? (12/11/2006 2:30:12 AM)

greetings

i do think there is one i am not a mean domme abusive or even loud but i had a dominant father who ran the house like a prison animal torture all kinds of thing but i never had a fethish for anything but sucking cock wow and i do not know why. but i am a domme i think becasue of his control over my mother and all of us i also will not ever date a black male nor do i want one as a slave and i am a black woman i find i may have a fear of them and it is real. i am proud i did not turn out like him. i think that many of us who are dominant may have had a dominant parent or a very weak parent or sister or brother now this is my opinion and will be suggest to many answer i hope.  my father wanted to teach us a lesson he wanted to let us know that to many puppie in the house was not something he care for so he made my mother and my 5 slibling watch as he place a plae of water and made sure we were close enough to see as he drown them one at a time until the pale was full. i am not ashamed to say this i did nothing wrong so many how are abuse will not say it, we did nothing were we were just born into a family that had  nut for a father. funny he turn into a kind man when it was way to late. so there you go one link to add to your theory

warm wishes to all

mons




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