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RE: Anal Training - 2/25/2005 8:03:17 PM

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Thank you for the kind words, BeachMystress! And my Masters and my sparkling new Dom -- Dom Perignon -- also send their regards... ;)

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RE: Anal Training - 2/25/2005 9:48:14 PM

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I owe her a good punishment so i'm thinking 1 month of no vaginal sex and daily hour or so long buttplug sessions with other anal toy play followed by sodomizing her.

thanks
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pardon my asking, but isn't sodomy anal rape of a man by a man?
if this is correct, then why use such an "ugly" term to say "i will follow this all by taking her ass hard?"
i find the use of this word culturally out of context cause it is against the law; and further more, you be man Sir, and she be woman.

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I have had subs get "distressed" by having to walk with buttplugs & keep them in for longer periods of time - you might want to avoid putting her thru that if you want less friction in your life...

Then again, you could just tie her in a good anal sex position, and make her take it as you fuck her hard & long...

have fun!

first of all, in regards to "take... fuck ... hard and long" yummy!!

second of all ...EmeraldSlave said something good about this too...

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good. The anus doesn't lubricate itself and unless you take the plug out and relube it, the surface will dry and begin to rub the sensitive skin, this can cause discomfort at best and damage at worse and make it very bad to have anal sex later.

lubricant is water soluable, like KY and dries quickly cause it is water based. VERY nasty as the mucous membranes tend to dry out very fast.
think of your mouth being open for 2 hours...literally ... and wow! how dry the mucous membranes of your mouth will become.
the lining of the rectum is exactly the same type of lining that is found in the mouth!!

lubricant can be mineral oil based, not a good choice as it is not very good for the mucous membranes.
but if the lubricant is vegetable oil (as in soybean oil, sunflower seed oil) based the lubrication is far superior, won't dry out as quickly and is compatible with the mucous membranes.

now my questions ........
the muscles of the rectum are very elastic, but does there ever come a time when hemorrhoids become the unpleasant side effect of such play, esp with the use of foreign objects like butt plugs, cans, etc, along with inappropriate types of lubricant, which might dry out the musous membranes and removal then tears at the mucosal lining, thus forming hemorrhoids and rectal mucous membrane damage?
finally, will the elasticity ever come to the point where it will NOT ever regroup into its "normal" tightness?
i have heard of people with medical issues related to poor anal sphincter control ...and it is an embarrassing mess to say the least.

i don't want to rain on this geat parade (cause Master loves to rip my ass) , but maybe some girls and gals are not to have their anal sphincter to be extensively for long periods of time. Maybe the integrity of the anal sphincter and presence of scar tissue could be included in a yearly exam?

just speaking from my own nursing background....... any MD's out there know?

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RE: Anal Training - 2/25/2005 10:06:24 PM

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pardon my asking, but isn't sodomy anal rape of a man?

According to the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language:

Sodomy: Any of various forms of sexual intercourse held to be unnatural or abnormal, especially anal intercourse or bestiality.

The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary defines it as follows:

Sodomy: 1. Anal copulation of one male with another.
2. Anal or oral copulation with a member of the opposite sex.
3. Copulation with an animal.

the Merrian Webster Dictionary of Law defines it like this:

Sodomy: the crime of oral or anal sexual contact or penetration between persons or of sexual intercourse between a person and an animal; especially : the crime of forcing another person to perform oral or anal sex

So, anal rape of a man is only one of the various things that sodomy can mean, depending on the context. Generally it's used to refer to anal sex, but I believe that in some states you can be accused of sodomy if you stick your finger in someone's ear too.

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if this is correct, then why use such an "ugly" term to say "i will follow this all by taking her ass hard?"

Personally, I don't find sodomy to be an ugly word at all. There are some people, I"m sure, who would prefer it to your choice of words. *shrug* It's all a matter of personal preference.

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i find the use of this word culturally out of context cause it is against the law

Regardless of the word one chooses to use, it's still illegal to penetrate your partner's ass with something in many states. Call it sodomy, or call it taking her in the ass hard, and it's going to make no difference at all if some prosecutor on a rant decides to take you to court over it.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/26/2005 7:03:02 AM

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Midear Shy-

as Sherri pointed out sodomy, in the legal sense, merely means an 'unnatural' sexual actand while I think you meant ugly in terms of it's connetations for you, I actually think it a lovely word...

say with me- everyone- let it slide out of your throat-

soooodddooommmyy-

can I get an amen? can I get a witness?

I do, myself, prefer a little warmed olive oil for a lube, for most of the reasons you noted

Most of the more experianced, skilled sodomites I have know haven't reported any issues from it- and an averagely sized penis isn't that much bigger than anything they might be expelling natually...

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RE: Anal Training - 2/26/2005 4:47:21 PM

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Amen, topcat! Sodomy is indeed a lovely word, and i'm not just a witness, i'm an eyewitness. My master Marco says i'm the girl who put the DO ME in SODOMY... (And i tell Him, well, SO DO ME already, Master!)

PS: Makes you wonder what they were into back in Gomorrah, doesn't it? Why don't we hear much about gomorrahmy anymore? Is sodomy just more fun? (And if i don't lay off the pizza there'll be gomorrahmy to love? Sorry, i'm groaning now too...) ;)

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RE: Anal Training - 2/26/2005 5:46:39 PM

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Sodomy is indeed a lovely word, and i'm not just a witness, i'm an eyewitness.

EEK! Its Not supposed to go in your EYE, girl!

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RE: Anal Training - 2/27/2005 9:38:01 AM

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i just read The Trouble with Words forum and would now like to clarify....

The word "sodomy" is an "ugly" word TO ME. If Master chose to say "I will sodomize you girl" then i will accept His use of words.

Sodom and Gomorrah were 2 cities in the Desert of Paran (from a map of Old Testment Patriarchal times) and God told Abraham he was going to destory the cities because of the greatness of the sin there in, but Lot lived there, so Abraham begged God for mercy. The story can be found between Genesis 15 and 25 in the Old Testament.

If i am not mistaken, the present use of the word sodomize came (had root) from within those historical, cultural and social contexts. If a dictionary existed in 500AD or 1100AD or 1500AD, i can say with quick certainty that the definiton of sodomize would be within those historical, cultural and social contexts.
Present day use of the word sodomize is very different. Yes, i agree and to many it is a beautiful word of expression and passion.

In the mid 1970's i could safely use the words... "he sure is queer" or "he sure is gay"
to mean he is a weirdo in my estimation or he is happy in my estimation. But now? Oh my!! i would be a homophobe and prejudiced and whatever else defines me by the use of those words.
And if i looked at the American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language or the
The American Heritage Stedman's Medical Dictionary written and published in or around year 1970 versus 2005, the defintions of both words would be culturally and socially revised to mean the present defintion of both gay and queer.

FOR ME: the use of the word sodomize is ugly, not for everyone else. i still believe that the present laws of prohibiton of sodomy come from the roots of its origianl context.
In fact, many of our present laws come from old religious contexts of rigid behaviour based on how a particular group of people interpreted God and his protocol of people.
Is it not true that the Constitution of the United Sates of America was written by very religious people who wanted Scripture/Bilblical issues reflected in the laws of this land?
Many times laws are reflections of the times, morality, social contexts of people who share many different values, morals and interests. If the word sodomy was completely wiped out of existence, another word would replace it and a law would be written, i can be quite certain, to prevent the RAPE, either vagianl or anal, of any human being by another human being.
i am NOT saying to anal fuck a person by consent or by idea is rape.
Do some laws need to be rewritten? Definately!!
i know that the laws of sodomy might consider a revision.

Anal Fucking? To be sure, i could not live without it. But then that is my personal right to like or love or dislike or abhor the activity.
But, until Master makes it known He will use "that" word to take, use and fuck me hard and long, it will remain an ugly word for me.

ok, i think i have used my words wisely and well this time.....*sigh, sure hope so!

HAVE A WONDERFUL SUNDAY AND WEEK YA ALL!!

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RE: Anal Training - 2/27/2005 9:47:41 AM

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Sodomy is indeed a lovely word, and i'm not just a witness, i'm an eyewitness.

EEK! Its Not supposed to go in your EYE, girl!

Not even her "little brown one", TC?

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slavedesires:
FOR ME: the use of the word sodomize is ugly

I'm with you. It sounds very non-consentual to me.

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RE: Anal Training - 2/27/2005 9:57:30 AM

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Well I won't reiterate what has already been said, but I do agree that probably the best training tool would be the enema part..not only does this get the "participant" used to the idea and get past any particular humiliation, it takes care of the clean play part at the same time. OH and yes the butt plugs are a great training tool, but I doubt as a punishment as most will like it after they get used to the idea.

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RE: Anal Training - 3/4/2005 3:53:04 PM

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Don't foget about tails. Yes a Butt Plugg that has a tail attached to it. Pony, tiger, lion, and such. They're fun to play with.

I'd love to find a cat-tail plug, although tiger and lion would be acceptable. And to second a comment made earlier, I find that regular dildoes are more, um, effective than plugs, as they are not tapered, unless it is to be left in for a long time. Hmmm, wonder if they make tailed dildoes anywhere...

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RE: Anal Training - 3/4/2005 9:51:29 PM

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I can tell you as a sub one of the best things my Master taught me about anal training is that your body remembers. Before my anal trianing anal sex was a painful and horrible experience. And without even trying I would tense up at the thought of it. He had me stimulate my clit to the point of cumming while I had a butt plug in. He said my body would remember the pleasure it felt while I had something in my ass. He was definately right.

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RE: Anal Training - 3/4/2005 10:52:57 PM

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I'd love to find a cat-tail plug,

This thread might help:

looking for a cat tail butt plug

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RE: Anal Training - 3/6/2005 11:41:28 PM

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Warm water enema first, then some nice anal-eze and silicone lube...... consider it a good time :D

I am not an anal sex expert by any means. (but I'm trying to get there!!) BUTT (pun intended) you shouldn't use anal-ease or any other numbing agent. If you can't feel your ass, you won't know if it's getting injured. I've read that in many on-line butt-sex guides, as well as in Tristan Taorminos' book. (the anal queen!!)
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RE: Anal Training - 3/26/2005 8:45:58 PM

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I can tell you as a sub one of the best things my Master taught me about anal training is that your body remembers. Before my anal trianing anal sex was a painful and horrible experience. And without even trying I would tense up at the thought of it. He had me stimulate my clit to the point of cumming while I had a butt plug in. He said my body would remember the pleasure it felt while I had something in my ass. He was definately right.

I totally agree with you PlayfulRaquel.. My first Dom trained me the same way.. and now I totally love it now.
Hazzah to your Master!!

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RE: Anal Training - 3/26/2005 10:13:54 PM

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Mz B is right, Ana eze and those other numbing agents are not safe to use. Anal sex is only discoforting in the streatching if you numbed the sensations you would not feel if something was ripping or tearing or wasn't right. I unfortunatly bought a tube of anal eze before I knew it wasn't safe to use. Since I'd been planning anal but given that idea up it just sits in my toy box

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RE: Anal Training - 3/26/2005 11:47:42 PM

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I don't know, I think my nick alone made me feel like I had to chime in here! I have never been anal "trained", started doing it with my very first boyfriend and liked it from the start, no complaints, no discomfort.

Anal sex as punishment? Gawd, let me be bad ALL the time! I am happiest when I am getting it fast and hard in my a$$!

Sorry I don't have any advice to give, the second I get aroused, I am happy to have anal sex. Like I said, my screen name just kind of made me feel a need to put my two cents in.

Good luck with the "training"!

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RE: Anal Training - 3/27/2005 12:17:24 AM

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Read The Ultimate Guide to Anal Sex for Women by Tristan Taormino.

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RE: Anal Training - 3/27/2005 4:32:55 AM

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i and my fiance often have anal sex. And i think it can be both punishment and play. Somtimes it can hurt alot, somtimes it is just good. But no matter, i have never had any ill effects of it.

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RE: Anal Training - 3/27/2005 7:38:01 AM

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AMEN!!!

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RE: Anal Training - 3/27/2005 10:00:47 PM

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Eeek any bottle is not a safe thng to use in ANY body cavity lol. if you get a bit too energetic you can create a vacume!

the way to deal with a vacuum, is to have a small, flattish inplement on hand, that has rounded edges so as not to cause damage, and very gently slide it in between flesh and inserted item. Then slightly leverage it to one side so that the vacuum seal is broken and air can once again circulate, then the implement will slide out easily.

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