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AquaticSub -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 12:48:09 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: LuckyAlbatross quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub Let's try to keep something clean and non-sexual. It takes a village after all. The issue I have a problem with is your absolute view on kids and sex- aka No Tolerance. Sex isn't dirty. And denying kids education in THIS area is completely irrational. 1. Education isn't showing them porn. 2. You don't teach calucus to a four year do you? Education comes at the right ages and the right times. The right time to tell them about sex is not when they are six years old trying to watch a movie about robots and someone is giving their partner head in the movie theater two rows down. 3. You seem to be completely inable to grasp the concept of you have no right to raise a stranger's child. If they don't want their five year old to watch two strangers going at in the park, then you don't have the right to go "Oh well. Sex is completely natural. Hey little Timmy, watch my master shove a plug up my butt!" The bottom line is that it's not your child so you have no right to expose it to anything that the parent doesn't want. Edited to add: It's not no tolerence. If parents are taking their kids to the Folsam street fair, then they are making an educated decision and I really don't care. I don't agree personally, but I don't care. It's when you are doing something to present sex to the child without the consent of the parent that bothers me.

marieToo -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 12:48:52 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth quote: Would an adult take a child there? No, but we have seen children in attendance, so adults have done this. Do you agree with their reason? However, as you say its an "expectation". If you're in a playground at 1:00 a.m. wouldn't your expectation be that there would be no children there? Deciding where to take a child where you know there will be adult activity is one thing. You are making a choice as a parent. While a child probably wouldn't be in a playground at 1 AM it's place that is for children, not adults. While very unlikely it possible that a pair of parents might take a child who couldn't sleep to a playground at night to run off some energy. I feel that one should respect children's spaces as for children. So many young children, particularly girls, are becoming sexual. It's becoming impossible, particularly for low-income parents, to buy clothing for toddlers and middle schoolers that aren't miniture verisons of "Look, I'm a slut!" clothing. Let's try to keep something clean and non-sexual. It takes a village after all. The thing is that kids at some point do begin to have sexual thoughts and desires. They begin to feel their own sexuality before we as parents want to deal with it. While I dont advocate encouraging pre-mature sexual activity, I dont think it should be handled like it's something dirty either. I mean it does have to be dealt with. I just pray to god my girl doesnt do what mommy did. lmaooooo

AquaticSub -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 1:00:16 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo The thing is that kids at some point do begin to have sexual thoughts and desires. They begin to feel their own sexuality before we as parents want to deal with it. While I dont advocate encouraging pre-mature sexual activity, I dont think it should be handled like it's something dirty either. I mean it does have to be dealt with. I just pray to god my girl doesnt do what mommy did. lmaooooo It's not something dirty and I've never said that. What I am saying is that people shouldn't be fucking in playgrounds where infants to 12 year olds are playing. Sex is a beautiful, glorious wonderful thing and something our children should be taught about. By their parents. Not strangers getting their jollies by being watched.

DOM68005 -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 1:07:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL by SusanofO I am just wondering how others feel about this, and what they've done as far as scenes in which they've incorporated it into their other bdsm activity. Because I know I'd appreciate it - but am not sure how other people go about actively practicing it. - Susan This is not exactly the same thing, but the mindset of concern "What if someone should see us?" was the same: Besides what I posted earlier, I took a sub to the Victoria Secret in the mall. I selected a corset for her to try on. With the consent of the sales clerk, I entered the stall she was in. For a few minutes, she was wearing nothing but the corset being tried on. It would have been no problem for someone to come too close to the stall and peek over or accidently open the door. Yes, I bought her the corset. [sm=mrpuffy.gif]

marieToo -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 1:11:24 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub quote: ORIGINAL: marieToo The thing is that kids at some point do begin to have sexual thoughts and desires. They begin to feel their own sexuality before we as parents want to deal with it. While I dont advocate encouraging pre-mature sexual activity, I dont think it should be handled like it's something dirty either. I mean it does have to be dealt with. I just pray to god my girl doesnt do what mommy did. lmaooooo It's not something dirty and I've never said that. What I am saying is that people shouldn't be fucking in playgrounds where infants to 12 year olds are playing. Sex is a beautiful, glorious wonderful thing and something our children should be taught about. By their parents. Not strangers getting their jollies by being watched. I agree. Im down on the whole public display of personal sexuality thing. I dont think children or adults for that matter, should have to be a part of a strangers fantasy. If that is desired they can go to places exclusively designed for that type of thing; clubs, private parties etc

Mercnbeth -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 1:33:00 PM)
You realize of course this is almost exclusively a USA problem? In most of the world, nudity and sex are not driven by puritanically initiated laws. It's ridiculous how it permeates and effects you. Forget the children or sex and consider something more neutral such as a spa treatment. We just came back from a few days in Palm Springs and its become routine for us to get a couples massage. However, afterward we had to retire to steam-rooms, saunas, and jacuzzi that were one sex exclusive. Nudity between adults wasn't permitted. You could wear a bathing suit if you wanted, but you still had to go to your assigned one-sex area. This has nothing to do with exhibitionism, but illustrates how pervasive the thought nude=evil. How silly is that? At least in Vegas they are opening pools for 'adults only' where you can enjoy the facilities in the 'European' style. Someday, spas may also cater to 'adults' who won't be blinded and/or offended by the sight of a nude body. Maybe that's why there is so much excitement about doing the 'forbidden' by being 'naked' someplace.

onestandingstill -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 1:50:29 PM)
Hi Susan, This is a true story of mine about my most daring experience. We went to dinner in a swanky Bethesda restaurant. There were no table cloths on the tables & no kids in the place. Once we were seated he instantly told me to spread my legs. Lazily he started to circle my bare crotch with his big fingers. One, two, then three fingers went into me and he was deeply fingering me like that through most of the meal. I was so hot and wet I could barely keep a straight face. Breathing normally was way rough too. It just felt so dirty and sooo good all at the same time. The woman at the next table noticed him finger fucking me so intensely and told her two male companions who also looked. She was so offended I was sure she was going to say something. She never did. When the waiter came up to the table he was seriously looking under the table and grinning like you wouldn't believe when he came to take our order. Once he left the table suddebnly a lot of the staff was standing on the opposite wall looking under our table too. In all we were in the restaurant about 45 minutes and over 30 of those had Roberts fingers inside me stroking my wet hot twat. Man was that feeling so good and so very bad. Just FYI, no kids were in the whole place. That was humiliating, scary, and HOT AS A FIRE cracker. I've not been so wet or my face so red in my whole life. After the meal was over we went to the roof top lot of a 5 story parking garage where he parked his SUV. Once there he handcuffed one of my hands to the steering wheel while I stood next to the vehicle. Not only was my skirt in an instant down around my ankles and my top over my head, but before we'd even begun to play I heard the elevator bell. This man about 35 years old or so came out of the elevator onto the deck. He of course noticed what we were doing right away. He was bumping into things trying to get to his car as he was steady watching us and not where he was going. Well Robert sure enjoyed giving this guy a show. He looked at the guy, smiled, held up two fingers and proceeded to bury them both forcefully to the hilt inside me. One in my pussy and the other in my mostly virginal ass. I felt like such a dirty girl indeed. Not only was I being watched by a stranger, I had Roberts finger up my protesting ass at the same time and I liked it. It was the first time I was hot enough that a finger in my ass was exciting to me. I think it was due to being so turned on already I was just in the right frame of mind to let the full slut inside me take over. He was spanking me and fingering me for all he was worth for about twenty minutes while this guy watched us like that. Once our voyeur left Robert climbed in from the passenger door to the drivers seat and I gave him head till he came. We sat and talked in the back seat for a while and then we said our good nights and went our separate ways. It was a blast to say the least. That was the HUGEST EXHIBITION event of my life. I wouldn't want to repeat it but I will remember that day always. suzanne

onestandingstill -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 2:02:28 PM)
Hello Again, You can tell by my story above I'm quite into exhibitionism. Everything from sheer clothing, short skirts without panties, and blatant peeps for certain individuals. My limit on this is I will not expose myself in a place where any one under 16 is present, or in blatantly obvious public places where I may get arrested. (except for the one time above when I was out with my friend who was an attorney who would TKO any problems we might have had.). I think playing with yourself in vehicles where trucks can see you, or having things inserted say while you go through a drive through without any one noticing you're doing it are some of most exciting times. As I'm a very outdoor oriented person outdoor sex in public private places is wonderful too. Some of my local parks off beat paths and I have really gotten acquainted in my almost 2 years of submission for sure. I think we all need to be aware of who and what is in the surrounding areas and if you use common sense and respect there's unlimited possibilities for fun. suzanne

marieToo -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 2:34:30 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You realize of course this is almost exclusively a USA problem? What is the "problem" that you're refering to? quote: In most of the world, nudity and sex are not driven by puritanically initiated laws. In my head, nudity and sex are different things. quote: It's ridiculous how it permeates and effects you. Forget the children or sex and consider something more neutral such as a spa treatment. We just came back from a few days in Palm Springs and its become routine for us to get a couples massage. However, afterward we had to retire to steam-rooms, saunas, and jacuzzi that were one sex exclusive. Nudity between adults wasn't permitted. You could wear a bathing suit if you wanted, but you still had to go to your assigned one-sex area. This has nothing to do with exhibitionism, but illustrates how pervasive the thought nude=evil. How silly is that? At least in Vegas they are opening pools for 'adults only' where you can enjoy the facilities in the 'European' style. Someday, spas may also cater to 'adults' who won't be blinded and/or offended by the sight of a nude body. I cant speak for anyone else, but I dont see nudity as "evil". I dont personally enjoy being nude around the house or anything like that, but I certainly dont find it offensive for those who enjoy being nude as much as they can. But I dont think nudity has a place in public areas. I dont think we should walk down the street nude during the summer and go to the park nude or go out to the deli nude. I mean.....oh my god......nevermind.... As far as the separate sauna rooms, I guess its similar to a public bathroom. I guess it could be a societal or cultural thing, but I dont see it as any kind of problem that affects anyone in a negative way. I think we may be more conservative about nudity in the US. I personally don't want to be putting on my lipstick in a public bathroom while theres a guy next to me taking a leak. But if I grew up that way and it was all I knew, I guess it wouldnt bother me much. I don't know. But I dont see that as comparable to children having to see people fuck in public places, cuz its how they get their freak on. (exhibitionism) quote: Maybe that's why there is so much excitement about doing the 'forbidden' by being 'naked' someplace. Could be...I dont know. Im one of those pervs who likes to do it behind closed doors. : x

mountainpet -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 2:57:15 PM)
"The bottom line is that it's not your child so you have no right to expose it to anything that the parent doesn't want." Interesting point, but not valid in the USA. I am not required to give any consideration to your child raising desires or philosophies in making decisions as to what I may or may not do. If I do choose to consider your children, or your ideas-- and I probably would-- it is as a courtesy to you, not an obligation. What I am required to do is obey the law, or be prepared to suffer the consequences of not doing so- if I am caught and convicted. The law doesn't make reference to your desires as to what your kids should and should not see- it is the result of consensus decisions by legislative bodies and courts, and varies by state and locality. Please note that I'm not advocating sex acts in public, nor anything that falls into the "porn" category. Since there are no clear definitions here, I'll give a few examples of what we often do in public, and have never had a legal problem with. Wearing of collars. Abbreviated clothing of various types, not exposing sex organs below the waist, and only fleeting glimpses above the waist. Spanking, limited to a few (two or three) smacks on the bottom (I've seen this done with children many times) Asking permission to go somewhere away from Master's presence. Calling him "master", or "sir". Waiting for his permission to sit.

ExSteelAgain -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 3:34:48 PM)
I have no problems with the acts you describe doing in your list, but this thread discussed more open acts. The law says you can’t do most of the things discussed on this thread in public. As far as not being required to give any consideration to others’ child raising philosophies, the law is the consensus of the publics’ child raising philosophy and if you don’t obey it, you go to jail.

marieToo -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 3:43:01 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: mountainpet "The bottom line is that it's not your child so you have no right to expose it to anything that the parent doesn't want." Interesting point, but not valid in the USA. I am not required to give any consideration to your child raising desires or philosophies in making decisions as to what I may or may not do. If I do choose to consider your children, or your ideas-- and I probably would-- it is as a courtesy to you, not an obligation. What I am required to do is obey the law, or be prepared to suffer the consequences of not doing so- if I am caught and convicted. The law doesn't make reference to your desires as to what your kids should and should not see- it is the result of consensus decisions by legislative bodies and courts, and varies by state and locality. Please note that I'm not advocating sex acts in public, nor anything that falls into the "porn" category. Since there are no clear definitions here, I'll give a few examples of what we often do in public, and have never had a legal problem with. Wearing of collars. Abbreviated clothing of various types, not exposing sex organs below the waist, and only fleeting glimpses above the waist. Spanking, limited to a few (two or three) smacks on the bottom (I've seen this done with children many times) Asking permission to go somewhere away from Master's presence. Calling him "master", or "sir". Waiting for his permission to sit. mountainpet: Im not sure who you were addressing, but you responded to my post and opened up with a quote. I would like to make it clear that it wasnt me who made that statement. :)

ExSteelAgain -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 3:45:27 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mercnbeth You realize of course this is almost exclusively a USA problem? In most of the world, nudity and sex are not driven by puritanically initiated laws. It's ridiculous how it permeates and effects you. Forget the children or sex and consider something more neutral such as a spa treatment. I have traveled extensively all over the world and lived in 3 other countries besides the U.S. and have never seen any type of intentional public sex or bdsm play. I’ve seen redlight districts in various countries and even there, public decorum is kept and the areas have strictly defined borders. Yes, I have seen public baths where everyone is nude, but that is a cultural thing and has nothing to do with anyone having open sex. In Korea there are bathhouses where both sexes go, yet men can’t go without shirts in public. Some countries are much more sensitive to public nudity than the U.S. If you want to talk extremisms, I lived in Jordan for awhile and even men couldn’t wear shorts in public much less women. Edited to say: I give up. If you want to play in public, I'll watch.

AquaticSub -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 5:48:04 PM)
quote: parents are taking their kids to the Folsam street fair, then they are making an educated decision and I really don't care. I don't agree personally, but I don't care. It's when you are doing something to quote: ORIGINAL: mountainpet "The bottom line is that it's not your child so you have no right to expose it to anything that the parent doesn't want." Interesting point, but not valid in the USA. I am not required to give any consideration to your child raising desires or philosophies in making decisions as to what I may or may not do. If I do choose to consider your children, or your ideas-- and I probably would-- it is as a courtesy to you, not an obligation. What I am required to do is obey the law, or be prepared to suffer the consequences of not doing so- if I am caught and convicted. The law doesn't make reference to your desires as to what your kids should and should not see- it is the result of consensus decisions by legislative bodies and courts, and varies by state and locality. Please note that I'm not advocating sex acts in public, nor anything that falls into the "porn" category. You aren't required to think I deserve to live but you don't have the right to kill me. You aren't required to consider my desires in parenting. That doesn't mean you have the right to hump anywhere my children can see. Just because you can do something doesn't mean you have the right to do it, as shown by rapists, pedophiles and murderers worldwide.

mountainpet -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/13/2006 6:34:52 PM)
"You aren't required to consider my desires in parenting. That doesn't mean you have the right to hump anywhere my children can see." Agreed. I was never defending public exhibitionism to that degree.

SusanofO -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/14/2006 2:59:40 AM)
onestandingstill: Your experiences are the kinds of things Idream about, and not sure I'd have the guts to ever do...I appreciated your post. Thanks for sharing! - Susan

onestandingstill -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/14/2006 7:24:50 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: SusanofO onestandingstill: Your experiences are the kinds of things Idream about, and not sure I'd have the guts to ever do...I appreciated your post. Thanks for sharing! - Susan AAAhhhhh come on Susan, you only live once ya know. I just don't take you as a bench warmer sort of gal. My advice is don't sit on the side lines drooling, get out there and live your life. Before I found kink 2/05 I was a complete prude in clothing 2-3 sizes too big, no make up, and you'd never see my bra or underwear through my clothing. I'd only been with 4 men in 20 years and even they had to date me over three months to see my breasts. I didn't enjoy all the scum and losers approaching me when I did the whole Barbie appearance when I was young. I'd for over ten years avoided the attention I could have as an attractive desired woman by dressing as modest plane Jane as I could. Basically I faded into the background overall. I'd decided I wanted people to like me for what was inside and not out on my surface. The first time I went out in public in a short mini skirt and a thin top really showed me how exciting it is to be noticed and be the focus of male attention. It seemed any male creature that passed us on the street never looked above my skirt. It was embarrassing, humiliating, exciting, and thrilling all at once. Maybe start with something mild like wearing a dildo in your crotch and going to the grocery store or use one on yourself in the restroom at work, or wear a white thin shirt and a sheer bra (or no bra) and go to the mall with a sweater or shawl on and expose yourself to a few men just to get their delighted and shocked reaction. Or go to your local hardware store and get a clerk to help you pick out rope for your boyfriend to tie you up. I had a total blast with that one and think I made this old guy's millennium with that stunt. Start small, be respectful, be very detailed in paying attention to your surroundings and who's viewing you, and grow from there. Besides theres a bumper sticker with perfect words of wisdom in this case, it says " Don't worry it only seems kinky the first time.". suzanne

SusanofO -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/14/2006 7:30:05 AM)
*onestandingstill:* I just ordered a low-cut ballet neck sweater from Victoria's Secret (does that count? Not bragging, but I am a 36D. Okay, sometimes a C, but mostly a D. I just never show the girls off much, probably due to the way I was raised). Probably TMI there (sorry). But that would be part of the thrill (for me). I like sheer clothing, but only have a few pieces of it. I also have a few pair of 5" high heels - but can only wear them for a few hours without bursting into tears, almost. Hey - I think Exhibitionism is cool. What you described had me breakinginto a literal sweat. I need a wardrobe upgrade. I like the rope idea (I consider the hardware guy at ACE as my friend at this point - he's answered all of my idiotic questions this year. Maybe I could ask him what he recommends as the best rope to get tied up with (winky winky)... - Susan

Mercnbeth -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/14/2006 7:39:59 AM)
My apologies to all, especially ExSteel, for integrating nudity and sex. While posting those two together I was thinking of the nude ads for sex in print, and the fact that newspapers routinely have topless woman. It was addressing the openness of access more than any actual act. As fare as nudity goes, speaking for the beaches from Greece to the many other shores of the Mediterranean sometimes it's better NOT to see nudity. But no - I've never witnessed any open sex act on these beaches or at any European spa. The attitude toward nudity and sex was the point I was trying to make - albeit poorly. They get to enjoy the liberation whenever the spirit moves them, particularly at the beaches. We have to wait for unique one day opportunities such as the Folsom Street Fair. Maybe that's why they are so special. Would it be exhibitionism if everyone was doing it?

mountainpet -> RE: How Far Do You Go With Exhibitionism? (12/14/2006 9:22:41 AM)
If everyone did it, I think it would become ho-hum, and thus lose its appeal. Part of the thrill of exhibitionism is the "forbidden" aspect. I don't mean necessarily legally forbidden, like sex in public; but little, often accidental exposure things.

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