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TemptingNviceSub -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/13/2006 8:42:50 PM)
IMO...Dominant or submissive, neither is a gift..what is THE gift is the relationship, and what the 2 or more(for the polys..grin) have.To the OP...perception in some cases is what creates the types of responses you recieve. And my perception was that in some ways you were denegrating many a submissive and their perceptions of what they feel they bring into their relationships.For you it is not a gift..fine....for some it is....fine.....but do not try to make cheap or valueless their opinions....Tempting

lighthearted -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/13/2006 8:59:36 PM)
wow...somebody needs a nap.

michaelOfGeorgia -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/13/2006 9:01:07 PM)
or a high colonic and a brisk walk (with full pack) LOL

trannysub007 -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/13/2006 9:03:42 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: lighthearted wow...somebody needs a nap. i agree; someone does need a nap. You replied to Tempting ... i think its the OP who needs a nap - not Tempting. Hmmmm, come to think of it, i could use a nap about now, also!

AquaticSub -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/13/2006 9:24:12 PM)
Are you speaking to Tempting or the OP?

SusanofO -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/13/2006 9:50:35 PM)
I never really thought of it as a gift - just two people getting their opposite-seeming needs met in a way that best suited both of them. I always thought the whole gift "thing" was sort of a romantic marketing ploy, really. Sweet and romantic, but not the the truth (for me anyway), really. - Susan

missturbation -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 2:36:34 AM)
Here is why this bother me. If what being offered was a true gift, as in ..here take this gift from me to you and do with it what you will , than there are no boundries, no limits, no choices because a gift that comes with conditions is surely not a gift at all and a gift that comes without any conditions can be used, ignored, or tossed in the trash at the receivers whim. I know a few slaves on here then that could be classed as a 'true gift'. They have no limits, no choices, no conditions and they are used, ignored and recognise they could be tossed in the trash at the recievers whim. In fact one of them recently actually helped me see that this is what i am aiming for with my God. She has stated on here that she does not see her submission as a gift but by your definition - well hey its ur definition. It's like most things in life, it all boils down to opinion and how we all individually see something. As long as your submission / gift works for both / all of you who cares what its 'label' is.

Level -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 2:58:08 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: KatyLied Yep, let's beat this dead horse some more. LOL Katy. [:D]

eyesopened -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 3:15:10 AM)
This thread has gotten so long i doubt anyone will read this but what the heck. It's all just semantics and i am Anti-Semantic but here goes. If you give something away you no longer have it. A Dom/me Master/Mistress/Top doesn't recieve submission they receive power and control so that is what a submissive gives away. i am submissive in the same way i am female, if i gave my femininity that would mean the other would receive femininity and become feminine...it's silly. Again, it's just semantics and nothing to get in a tizzy about. How can i "give" a gift i still keep? i'm always going to be submissive. In that context the best i can do is SHARE but not give. If i prepare a meal i am not giving the preparation i am giving the food... the result of my work. i would hope in a D/s relationship that i give something as a result of my submission. We use the word "gift" to differentiate between consent and rape, that's all. i agree with everyone who said we have flogged this dead horse enough.

RedSavageSlave -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 4:16:20 AM)
I dunno... I think its going to be tenderized just a bit more before it is all through getting devoured.

Mstr2you -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 5:28:53 AM)
Wow so many posts, so much screeching and hand wringing, so much anger. Thank you very much! My post containied no original ideas as it is clear from the plethora of links provided by LuckyAlbatros which by the way is one of the coolest screennames ever period. The post was a basic rant against a sentence I have read here over and over and over preceding just about any kind of arguement and taken as a given by the poster. Submission is a gift so......Since submission is a gift......We know submission is a gift.......etc etc etc So why the response? As has been pointed out the reaction was to those 5 words I used, not to any one person here, but thrown out to the wind in an attempt to provoke and amuse. You know the words....well in case you forgot they were: FUCK YOU AND YOUR GIFT Good God I have done it again, I am imagining shackled slaves across America gripping their coffee cups s hard that they explode shattering piece and spraying coffee until all that is left is the little loop the finger goes through, their knuckles white their lips quivering other parts quivering lots of quivering well anyway they are pissed. So why this viceral reaction to 5 words. Here is what I think: This idea that their submission is a gift is much stronger a concept than I could ever have imagined. I had no idea what a talisman this is, this idea, how much a part of some peoples identity as a submissive and as a human being this is. I find this fascinating and quite different from my mindset and I will give it some thought. Thanks to those who have replied to the thread rationally, there have been some really interesting comments both supportive and critical.

missturbation -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 5:47:08 AM)
FUCK YOU AND YOUR GIFT I personally saw humour here. I am imagining shackled slaves across America gripping their coffee cups s hard that they explode shattering piece and spraying coffee until all that is left is the little loop the finger goes through, their knuckles white their lips quivering other parts quivering lots of quivering well anyway they are pissed. Thank you for not including me in this. I'm a brit. So why the response? I think from a humourous point of view you knew the reaction you would get and were actually perhaps looking for it !! [:D]

velvetpetal -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 6:43:48 AM)
Damn.. i cant find His profile... Think He's left?

onestandingstill -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 7:48:47 AM)
My thoughts are my submission is absolutely a gift I choose to bestow to my Sir and his Dominance is a gift he gives me back. It's a gift exchange to me and nothing to do with ego or extortion. Love, compassion, caring, and joy are all gifts we give people we care about every day. Giving your submission to a Sir does indeed have something to do with a gift I gave him that benefits me, but just because I consider it a gift does not make me an ego maniac or selfish in my opinion. Relationships D/s or vanilla in my opinion are gifts we give each other. I think the question of is your submission, devotion and servitude, Dominance, Leadership and guidance a gift or not will be debated long after you and I cease to exists in this world. You are entitled to your opinion and I'm entitled to mine. Respectfully, suzanne

LordVelvet -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 7:52:19 AM)
I would have to agree with Knightsof Mist and Tempting. I just had this discussion not long ago and I was defending it is a gift. The reason I feel this is not the submission but the act of submitting to ME. That of the Dom's, Master's, what ever title out there that they choose ME. So I do feel it is a gift that "they" have given. It is the relationship and the way I define "gift" that works for ME, just MY thoughts.

darksdesire -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 8:00:57 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Mstr2you Wow so many posts, so much screeching and hand wringing, so much anger. Thank you very much! My post containied no original ideas as it is clear from the plethora of links provided by LuckyAlbatros which by the way is one of the coolest screennames ever period. The post was a basic rant against a sentence I have read here over and over and over preceding just about any kind of arguement and taken as a given by the poster. Submission is a gift so......Since submission is a gift......We know submission is a gift.......etc etc etc So why the response? As has been pointed out the reaction was to those 5 words I used, not to any one person here, but thrown out to the wind in an attempt to provoke and amuse. You know the words....well in case you forgot they were: FUCK YOU AND YOUR GIFT Good God I have done it again, I am imagining shackled slaves across America gripping their coffee cups s hard that they explode shattering piece and spraying coffee until all that is left is the little loop the finger goes through, their knuckles white their lips quivering other parts quivering lots of quivering well anyway they are pissed. So why this viceral reaction to 5 words. Here is what I think: This idea that their submission is a gift is much stronger a concept than I could ever have imagined. I had no idea what a talisman this is, this idea, how much a part of some peoples identity as a submissive and as a human being this is. I find this fascinating and quite different from my mindset and I will give it some thought. Thanks to those who have replied to the thread rationally, there have been some really interesting comments both supportive and critical. I'm not sure how you can fail to see that it is not your ideas, but your approach that has offended so many people. Is it possible, considering the overwhelming negative response, that your interpersonal skills could use some improvement? Or would you prefer to to believe that it's everyone else who has the problem. Considering the relatively consistent feedback you've been getting, this could be a great opportunity to evaluate your relational skills. I'm guessing you hope to draw a submissive woman to you, and those interpersonal skills work wonders in achieving that. Good luck in your personal growth.

lighthearted -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 8:08:03 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: trannysub007 quote: ORIGINAL: lighthearted wow...somebody needs a nap. i agree; someone does need a nap. You replied to Tempting ... i think its the OP who needs a nap - not Tempting. Hmmmm, come to think of it, i could use a nap about now, also! see...everyone needs one, including and esp the OP [:D]

zumala -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 8:49:08 AM)
Well... having read through of all that. My initial thought is: who cares what someone wishes to call their submission? It doesn't effect anyone but them. My second thought was that the only way I could call my own submission a gift would be because it is my decision on whether or not to submit to someone. I don't do it lightly. I don't do it for just anyone. I also don't go chasing domly types around. They find me of interest and talk to me, and I decide my thoughts and feelings on what they propose from there. zuma

MmakeMme -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 8:55:00 AM)
My thought is that the "gift" portion of submission is saying that I ~choose~ to submit to you. Submissive is who and what I am, but I am not submissive to just anybody who calls himself a dom. When I choose to submit, I am saying "You are ~my~ Dom, I am ~your~ sub." It is the gift of acceptance.

daddysprop247 -> RE: It Aint A Gift (12/14/2006 8:57:04 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: NeedToUseYou I agree with the OP message(general message). *******ANTI-FLAME GUARD FOLLOWING******** The following are the opinions of this sole poster, any and all views, are not to be deemed a tyranical dictate of what is possible. Though this poster believe his words are 100 percent the god spoken truth, he realizes others may wish to deny the wisdom laid forth, and he accepts that fact, as troubling as it may be. [:-] LOL *****END ANTI-FLAME GUARDING*************** submission is not a gift, it's a manifestation of a personality characteristic. Of course you can select who you submit to, but the dominant also has the right to reject your submission. He also can extend his dominance to you which you can reject. If submission is a gift almost anything can be called a gift. My breathing is a gift to the trees(CO2). My shit is a gift to the little bacteria that feed on it in the sewer. My piss is a gift to the lakes. Well, of course you have to ignore the fact that I must do those things because it's a part of my biology. AND I LIKE DOING THOSE THINGS. Same as a submissive just is submissive, and likes that role. There is a desire to submit, that gives one, pleasure, when allowed to. I'm not sure how doing something that gives themselves pleasure is a gift to the dominant. The dominant is also required for the submissive to feel pleasure, you can't submit unless you have a dom. The dominant is as necessary as the submissive for the "gift" to work. Try submiting to someone that doesn't want your "gift". I doubt it will have the same effect. So, if submission is a "gift", then domination is a "gift". Rendering them equal. Because one can't exist without the other. I don't think they are a gift though, just a natural urge of different individuals that gives them pleasure. But people tend to like to flower up things to make them sound deeper than they are. It really breaks down to, YOU LIKE SUBMITING, AND YOUR DOM LIKES DOMINATING. A gift isn't really required here for that to work. i actually disagree with this...that it's about "liking" to submit, or liking to dominate. i often do not "like" submitting, it doesn't get me all hot and bothered to be submissive, i just submit because that's who i am. i think that a submissive submits because it's who they are and they can do nothing else, and that a Dominant dominates for the same reason. one does not need the other in order to exist, tho perhaps we need each other if we are ever to find peace or happiness in this life.

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