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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:12:05 PM   
luckydog1


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Status: offline 		But we are talking forms of political economy, so a defintion (from a recognized source) of a form of political economy can not be a non sequitur.  You are simply misusing the word to try to refute her point. 

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:12:48 PM   
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On second thought may as well reitterate y previous post since this one would otherwise have been a wasted window:

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

My first reaction to that was intersting, i clicked on your profile to see if you were an american. LOL  Obviously you disagree, maybe worth a post in the terror thread.   As for power, power has many faces and power is taken, not given. 


I'm not sure that you can say unequivocally that "power is taken".  Power can be "taken", but it can also be earned, and it can also be given.

Depending, of course, on your defintions of all those things, especially "power'. 

FirmKY


i was referencing this discussion.

a side note thought... since aj, who did the first set of videos also "predicted" that the bush administration would do something horrific and specifically stated on video, even calling out the wtc by name as a probable target i am guessing several weeks to several months before the actual occurance exactly why is it that you find his work uninteresting to the extent that it was not worth your time to watch?

Since we are now in iraq chasing the oil i think it is a perfect example of  the realities capitalism.


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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:12:52 PM   
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You've also announced that Plato doubted the viability of a democracy, but I'm not sure why you feel that is relevant as you've clearly stated that the United States is not a democracy and no vestiges of democracy remain.

What rationale are you looking for?



Apparently you misunderstand me.

A Democracy involves all citizens engaged in all decisions made.  The approach used by the founding fathers was to send elected individuals to give the votes of their constituency.

Plato indicated that one of the dangers of Democracy because of the danger of it being co-opted by unscrupulous people. 

The idea of "doubting the validity of Democracy (noun)" would be similar to doubting the validity of a car (noun)"  I imagine Plato was more well versed on logical argumentation to do such a thing.

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:13:28 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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You've alleged that in the intervening years those principles have been wrongly stripped from us leaving us with what,


I alleged we had these stripped from us?


I don't typically have problems with reading comprehension, but if I've misunderstood the following quote, then perhaps you'll explain what you really meant.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

The evidence abounds as to the democratic principles which were originally set up in this country in the original Bill of Rights have been systematically dismantled by this Government, almost from it's inception.


And as for this...

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

What I stated was that our government was not a "democracy" in the sense of Plato's definition.


It was your placement of the following in the midst of your grievances against the US government that I was referring to.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Plato wrote about the future problems of the political system of democracy thousands of years ago.



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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:14:00 PM   
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FR:

Are there any other poster who feels like they have asked me a question, or expressed an opinion that they wish for me to address?
Yup...but I will live
thompson
I know I got interrupted in my conversation with NorthernGent, but on rereading the thread after that point, it seems like most of the points I would have made, got made without me.

But, NG, if ya got something that ya wanna run by me ... 

FirmKY

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:14:32 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Luke 6:42


Attacking the messenger.

Can you cite a bible reference which contradicts the message?

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:17:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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ORIGINAL: losttreasure

You've alleged that in the intervening years those principles have been wrongly stripped from us leaving us with what,


I alleged we had these stripped from us?


I don't typically have problems with reading comprehension, but if I've misunderstood the following quote, then perhaps you'll explain what you really meant.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

The evidence abounds as to the democratic principles which were originally set up in this country in the original Bill of Rights have been systematically dismantled by this Government, almost from it's inception.



I understand you dont have a problem with reading comprehension.
 
I was talking about the Bill of Rights.  Not the political structure of Democracy. 
 
There is a difference between them.


quote:



And as for this...

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

What I stated was that our government was not a "democracy" in the sense of Plato's definition.


It was your placement of the following in the midst of your grievances against the US government that I was referring to.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Plato wrote about the future problems of the political system of democracy thousands of years ago.




You lost me here.
 
Jefferson wrote to Adams about the same problem Plato wrote about thousands of years ago.
 
Care to clarify your point?
 
Sinergy

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:23:33 PM   
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But we are talking forms of political economy, so a defintion (from a recognized source) of a form of political economy can not be a non sequitur.  You are simply misusing the word to try to refute her point. 


That's okay luckydog1... because my comment where I included the definitions was in response to his inferring that the President didn't know what a democracy was, I'm comfortable that it was perfectly appropriate.

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:29:23 PM   
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Your entire post 456 was nothing more than an attempted slur. An "attack on the messenger".  The very type of slur that you claim others are making.

I simply pointed that out.

This makes you uncomfortable. But I'm not responsible for your emotional state.  Nor your rhetorical position.  You are.

Could be wrong, just me, yada, yada, yada ....

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:31:59 PM   
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But we are talking forms of political economy, so a defintion (from a recognized source) of a form of political economy can not be a non sequitur.  You are simply misusing the word to try to refute her point. 


I am not misusing her words to prove a point.  Democracy is not a political economy by any definition I have ever read.

Sinergy




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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:32:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: thompsonx

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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

FR:

Are there any other poster who feels like they have asked me a question, or expressed an opinion that they wish for me to address?

Yup...but I will live
thompson

I know I got interrupted in my conversation with NorthernGent, but on rereading the thread after that point, it seems like most of the points I would have made, got made without me.

But, NG, if ya got something that ya wanna run by me ... 

FirmKY



But thompson ... you write a LOT.  I need to spend time on other people too! 

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:34:13 PM   
Sinergy


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Incorrect. 

Your entire post 456 was nothing more than an attempted slur. An "attack on the messenger".  The very type of slur that you claim others are making.

I simply pointed that out.

This makes you uncomfortable. But I'm not responsible for your emotional state.  Nor your rhetorical position.  You are.

Could be wrong, just me, yada, yada, yada ....

FirmKY


I made a general statement about people posting on internet boards.

Care to explain why you both think I was referring to you?

Sinergy

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:36:46 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Real0ne

i was referencing this discussion.

a side note thought... since aj, who did the first set of videos also "predicted" that the bush administration would do something horrific and specifically stated on video, even calling out the wtc by name as a probable target i am guessing several weeks to several months before the actual occurance exactly why is it that you find his work uninteresting to the extent that it was not worth your time to watch?

Since we are now in iraq chasing the oil i think it is a perfect example of  the realities capitalism.



Real,

I'm a bit confused about what we are talking about.  Would you mind restating it to clarify it for me?

Is it a discussion about power?

Is it a discussion about theories that Bush et al planned 9/11 for some reason (i.e. it was a "Black Flag Op"?)

Is it why I am not real interested in watching the other videos?

FirmKY


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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:36:54 PM   
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ORIGINAL: FirmhandKY

Luke 6:42


You know, I find this highly amusing. People who quote scripture at others should try living by it themselves.


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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:38:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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You've also announced that Plato doubted the viability of a democracy, but I'm not sure why you feel that is relevant as you've clearly stated that the United States is not a democracy and no vestiges of democracy remain.

What rationale are you looking for?



Apparently you misunderstand me.

A Democracy involves all citizens engaged in all decisions made.  The approach used by the founding fathers was to send elected individuals to give the votes of their constituency.

Plato indicated that one of the dangers of Democracy because of the danger of it being co-opted by unscrupulous people. 


Yes, I understood that.  The United States was not set up as a democracy.  What I don't understand is why you think Plato's opinions on democracy are relevant when we agree that the US is not and never was a democracy.

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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

The idea of "doubting the validity of Democracy (noun)" would be similar to doubting the validity of a car (noun)"  I imagine Plato was more well versed on logical argumentation to do such a thing.


I used the word "viability", not "validity".  There's a difference.

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:41:43 PM   
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Incorrect. 

Your entire post 456 was nothing more than an attempted slur. An "attack on the messenger".  The very type of slur that you claim others are making.

I simply pointed that out.

This makes you uncomfortable. But I'm not responsible for your emotional state.  Nor your rhetorical position.  You are.

Could be wrong, just me, yada, yada, yada ....

FirmKY


I made a general statement about people posting on internet boards.

Care to explain why you both think I was referring to you?

Sinergy


Certainly.

It has to do with the small sentence in the bottom right of your post.  You know, the one that says:

(in reply to FirmhandKY)

Thats why I assumed you were talking to me, along with the fact that you are a long time poster, and then didn't put a "Fast Reply" or "FR" in at the top of your post.

Kinda seems common-sensical to me.

Now, if you'd like to apologize for the misunderstanding and tell me that you weren't talking about me at all, I'd certainly take your word for it.

FirmKY

edited to add:

Oh, yes, and you quoted an entire earlier post of mine in your message as well.

Three reasons, then.


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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:42:19 PM   
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when we agree that the US is not and never was a democracy.



We do?

I made have certainly made that comment, but I am too tired and generally bored with this thread to go and quote your earlier assertions that the United States is a democracy.

So now I am further puzzled by the logical framework and approach to rhetoric that you employ.

Peace out

Sinergy

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:44:35 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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The evidence abounds as to the democratic principles which were originally set up in this country in the original Bill of Rights have been systematically dismantled by this Government, almost from it's inception.



I understand you dont have a problem with reading comprehension.
 
I was talking about the Bill of Rights.  Not the political structure of Democracy. 
 
There is a difference between them.


I see.  Then perhaps the Bill of Rights should have been the subject of the sentence... for example, "Evidence abounds that the Bill of Rights, founded on democratic principles, has been systematically dismantled by this Government, almost from it's inception."

Is that what you meant?

And yes, I do understand the difference between the Bill of Rights and the political structure of democracy, but thank you.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

What I stated was that our government was not a "democracy" in the sense of Plato's definition.


It was your placement of the following in the midst of your grievances against the US government that I was referring to.

quote:

ORIGINAL: Sinergy

Plato wrote about the future problems of the political system of democracy thousands of years ago.




You lost me here.
 
Jefferson wrote to Adams about the same problem Plato wrote about thousands of years ago.
 
Care to clarify your point?
 
Sinergy


I think I clarified it with my other comment where I state that what I don't understand is why you think Plato's opinions on democracy are relevant when we agree that the US is not and never was a democracy.

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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:46:50 PM   
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Certainly.

It has to do with the small sentence in the bottom right of your post.  You know, the one that says:

(in reply to FirmhandKY)

Thats why I assumed you were talking to me, along with the fact that you are a long time poster, and then didn't put a "Fast Reply" or "FR" in at the top of your post.

Kinda seems common-sensical to me.

Now, if you'd like to apologize for the misunderstanding and tell me that you weren't talking about me at all, I'd certainly take your word for it.

FirmKY


Kinda like your comments about "half formed" ideas were not in relation to my posts even though you started that post with "julia", at least according to your submissive who asserted I wrongly assumed it was in relation to me... too damn funny


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RE: Failure of the world-wide capitalist system ... kinda. - 12/26/2006 9:48:08 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Sinergy

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Incorrect. 

Your entire post 456 was nothing more than an attempted slur. An "attack on the messenger".  The very type of slur that you claim others are making.

I simply pointed that out.

This makes you uncomfortable. But I'm not responsible for your emotional state.  Nor your rhetorical position.  You are.

Could be wrong, just me, yada, yada, yada ....

FirmKY


I made a general statement about people posting on internet boards.

Care to explain why you both think I was referring to you?

Sinergy


Certainly.

It has to do with the small sentence in the bottom right of your post.  You know, the one that says:

(in reply to FirmhandKY)

Thats why I assumed you were talking to me, along with the fact that you are a long time poster, and then didn't put a "Fast Reply" or "FR" in at the top of your post.

Kinda seems common-sensical to me.

Now, if you'd like to apologize for the misunderstanding and tell me that you weren't talking about me at all, I'd certainly take your word for it.

FirmKY


Whether or not it is common-sensical (did Monkeyboy subliminate that word?)
to you, I would be interested if you could find any post I have made on Collarme where I stated that it was a FR or Fast Reply.  This is not something I am in the habit of doing.

I personally doubt the credulity of your rationale, but if it works for you...

Sinergy

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