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AquaticSub -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 12:25:45 PM)
Now to respond to the OP (sorry about my three above... cheating fathers strike a MAJOR nerve with me): Yes men can be faithful. I think that men may have bad rep. for it because women expect men to have trouble being faithful and women may be smarter about not getting caught. But it happens with both genders and I can say that personally, while I've only been cheated on (that I know of) by one partner, in my younger days I had trouble being faithful a few times. For the record SlaveBonerDude (whatever your name was) if you do come back explain how this was my fault: I was told I was loved and adored, praised, made love to, and then I found out I was his mistress to his fiancee. This was a man who had supposedly been my best friend for eight years and no one knew about this women he was engaged to who lived in California. Explain how that was my fault considering he sought my affections after he had been with her for a year.

pixelslave -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 12:57:07 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub explain how this was my fault: I was told I was loved and adored, praised, made love to, and then I found out I was his mistress to his fiancee. This was a man who had supposedly been my best friend for eight years and no one knew about this women he was engaged to who lived in California. Explain how that was my fault considering he sought my affections after he had been with her for a year. Get over it and let it go. My first wife cheated. We got married for all the wrong reasons. We were young and impulsive. She did me a favor in that it opened other doors for me that otherwise would never have been there in my life and I'd have never had the two lovely daughters I have now. [:)] You can always choose to look for the positive in things. [;)] - pixel

AquaticSub -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 1:29:41 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: pixelslave quote: ORIGINAL: AquaticSub explain how this was my fault: I was told I was loved and adored, praised, made love to, and then I found out I was his mistress to his fiancee. This was a man who had supposedly been my best friend for eight years and no one knew about this women he was engaged to who lived in California. Explain how that was my fault considering he sought my affections after he had been with her for a year. Get over it and let it go. My first wife cheated. We got married for all the wrong reasons. We were young and impulsive. She did me a favor in that it opened other doors for me that otherwise would never have been there in my life and I'd have never had the two lovely daughters I have now. [:)] You can always choose to look for the positive in things. [;)] - pixel Oh, it's over and gone. I just want to know how, if it's always the woman's fault that was my fault. Grins The thing that happened to me that he really tripped the emotional nerve for won't ever be posted here as it's not just my story to tell and it's something that has taken a lot of time to get over.

LadyEllen -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 3:12:57 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 quote: LaM: That's the end of this conversation, right? Oh, as long as we're asking stuff like this, I have a question too. Is it possible for women to look over their shoulders before they change lanes? Just wondering. Sure it is. But they have to put down the eye liner and the cell phone and actually take hold of the steering wheel to do so. E. Whilst its true that some women drivers are abysmal, in my experience one will find a lot more male drivers who are a liability on the roads. This may go some way to explaining why motor insurance is cheaper for women than it is for men. What makes women poor drivers is lack of confidence; which also ties in to making them safer in general. Whilst it is the over confidence of men that is their downfall on the road, making them also more likely to be involved in an incident. How this has any relation to a discussion on men and fidelity is not easy to discern; but it would seem clear enough that when it comes to accidents, men are not picky about whom they hit, and indeed, consider anyone on the road as fair game. E

LaTigresse -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 3:18:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Emperor1956 quote: LaM: That's the end of this conversation, right? Oh, as long as we're asking stuff like this, I have a question too. Is it possible for women to look over their shoulders before they change lanes? Just wondering. Sure it is. But they have to put down the eye liner and the cell phone and actually take hold of the steering wheel to do so. E. You two are incorrigible. I will not even begin to mention the over-the-road salesMEN that I have seen attempting to drive while doing things like.....talking on the phone, working on a laptop, drinking coffee and........oh yeah, I said I would not mention it.... bad LeeAnn, bad bad

yourMissTress -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 4:20:37 PM)
I have always subscribed to the notion that most people are as faithful as their options. That's not to say that everyone is unfaithful, but in my experience, there are more people that cheat than there are that remain faithful. Then again, I also believe that most people are untrustworthy. So maybe it's just me.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 6:42:06 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: yourMissTress I have always subscribed to the notion that most people are as faithful as their options. I disagree... Don't you think women would have a much worse rep than men in the faithfulness department, since most women are offered sex reguarly and frequently by different men? M

Lordandmaster -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 9:25:31 PM)
I must have a lousy reputation too, because I get offered sex all the time.

BlkTallFullfig -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/18/2006 9:31:39 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Lordandmaster I must have a lousy reputation too, because I get offered sex all the time. What you didn't know you about your rep? LMAO Getting offered sex all the time doesn't give you a bad rep... Putting out/giving it up all the time... [sm=biggrin.gif] Besides, what I said was in relation to availability of options and fidelity. M

MistrssM -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/21/2006 1:36:11 PM)
I wanted to take the time to thank all those who responded to my post. I have found many of your replies to be right on the money. It's interesting the difference in mens and womens views on this subject....and the defensive nature that some men take at the mere mention of this topic. Although I did not state it in my original post I do know women cheat as well.. perhaps just as often and in fact are often times much better at hiding their tracks.. ..I wanted to focus my post on men though. I think yourMissTress said it well I have always subscribed to the notion that most people are as faithful as their options. I think their options and their level and depth of loyalty to the person they are with. Perhaps ultimately its in a males nature to be willing to risk more...take more chances... risk losing what they have for a new option... while perhaps its a female nature to be more nurturing and willing not to risk what they have ...the bond/family unit/love etc.... for a new option quite as easily. Although as with most things.. there are exceptions to every rule.

Lordandmaster -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/21/2006 1:41:27 PM)
I'm faithful to my options--does that count?

Celeste43 -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/21/2006 2:02:13 PM)
Gee you can't even take your own kids for one whole night a month. I bet you aren't paying for an endocrinologist to adjust her thyroid meds, since the weight gain was most likely due to hormones in pregnancy and once you're hypothyroid you're hypothyroid for life. Plus what about a gym membership, sorry forgot that she can't use it because you refuse to spend time with your own children. Men like you, who are not fathers in any real sense, only sperm donors sicken me.

sjskuared -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/21/2006 7:38:49 PM)
I think men want sex more than women which leads them to cheat on average more. Women want security more.

sweetnurseBBW -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/21/2006 7:43:31 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sjskuared I think men want sex more than women which leads them to cheat on average more. Women want security more. I like sex alot. On 20/20 about a year ago they did a story on cheating and according to their little story women are cheating just as much as men or more. Personally I have trouble trusting anyone so I think they all are cheaters. [:D]

AquaticSub -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/21/2006 9:08:46 PM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sjskuared I think men want sex more than women which leads them to cheat on average more. Women want security more. Are you kidding? Most my partners I've worn out and I was quite happy sexually when I was seeing three men at once (they all knew about each other). My dominant and I have a schedule of sorts to make sure that I get my fix and he doesn't die of exhaustion (provided I've been good [:D]). I crave both security and orgasms.

cloudboy -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/22/2006 4:55:39 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Voltare The evidence at trial indicated that it was 180-190 degrees Fahrenheit when served and that it was between 165 and 170 degrees Fahrenheit when it was spilled. The evidence also showed that the coffee you make at home is usually about 135-140 degrees Fahrenheit. That was my understanding of the facts as well. In the long run the suit helped American Consumers because its imprudent for a mass business like McDonalds to sell scalding hot beverages to consumers driving automobiles.

Voltare -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/22/2006 5:06:04 AM)
Well, I don't agree - the woman wasn't driving, and it sets a precedence for a similar lawsuit against a mom & pop business to lose their business, house, and car because of an identical lawsuit. The real issue is that there's no regulations on the temperature of served coffee. Having worked a few food service jobs, I can tell you there are LOTS of other regulations - from the minimum cooked temperature of meat, to the maximum temperature of frozen or fresh foods and beverages. Instead of writing your congressman and trying to actually create law, we're opening the door for punitive, retroactive laws to be penned by angry juries who see 'evil' McDonalds on one side, and poor old Gramma Leibeck on the other. But I suppose that's just one more benefit to living in a society where it's ok to steal, especially from the rich, as long as it isn't your wallet that's being pilfered.

thetammyjo -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/22/2006 5:26:41 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: sjskuared I think men want sex more than women which leads them to cheat on average more. Women want security more. This isn't the case in my household. We all seem to want the same amount of security. Hands down I also have the highest sex drive and I know from talking to others that it is not uncommon at all for women to have a higher sex drive than me but it isn't socially acceptable so usually strangers don't talk about it. Which is funny because that was the understood case in the ancient Greek world so the idea isn't foreign to me at all as a historian.

cloudboy -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/22/2006 6:20:34 AM)
quote: ORIGINAL: Voltare Well, I don't agree - the woman wasn't driving, and it sets a precedence for a similar lawsuit against a mom & pop business to lose their business, house, and car because of an identical lawsuit. The real issue is that there's no regulations on the temperature of served coffee. Having worked a few food service jobs, I can tell you there are LOTS of other regulations - from the minimum cooked temperature of meat, to the maximum temperature of frozen or fresh foods and beverages. Instead of writing your congressman and trying to actually create law, we're opening the door for punitive, retroactive laws to be penned by angry juries who see 'evil' McDonalds on one side, and poor old Gramma Leibeck on the other. But I suppose that's just one more benefit to living in a society where it's ok to steal, especially from the rich, as long as it isn't your wallet that's being pilfered. Its not "ok" to steal in our country, WTF are you talking about? Your "mom and pop" argument is spurious. Believe me, Mom and Pop are a lot more worried about Walmart, Home Depot, Loews, CVS, Applebees, and Barnes and Noble than they are about trial lawyers or civil actions. In truth, the trial lawyer is one of the last bastions of the individual in our country wherein an old lady can take on McDonalds and win. How you see this as "bad" I don't know. Lastly, you can't defend selling beverages heated to over 180 degrees. Corporate giants like McDonalds should know better. It doesn't bother me one bit it found out the hard way. Just the opposite, it shows me our system is working.

jimbo747 -> RE: Men and Fidelity (12/22/2006 7:08:40 AM)
I feel fidelity is a man made order and goes against our natures but we choose to be faithful or not. Making that choice is harder for some people than others naturally.

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