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SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/22/2006 3:56:58 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BeachMistress
Democrat class warfare is destroying this country like nothing ever before in history.


How do you figure it was Democrat welfare????

Do you mean the fact that Democrats care for the welfare recipients more?

I know the Republicans have interest in them as they created alot of the welfare needy.

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SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/22/2006 3:58:40 AM)

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ORIGINAL: BlkTallFullfig
Condi Rice if she chooses to run for higher office. 

I have wondered about that.

Somehow I do not see her being propped up by the Republicans.

Wouldn't THAT be something!!!!

Rice vs Hillary.


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SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/22/2006 4:01:23 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kree
 and who has been accused of raping a number of women in his past. 


I think you did use the correct word here.

ACCUSED

There is a difference.

Just because you want to call and apple a dog it is still an apple.

Quick! Look over there! Now get back to the crux of the discussion and quit grasping for straws. ;)

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Voltare -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/22/2006 7:56:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: SirDiscipliner69

Why do you think US needs him?
Because he served in military and decorated vet and Bush is not?
He has a better smile?
He waffles better to the press?

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Because he supports sweeping campaign finance reform.  That's the most important political topic I've seen in my adult life.





SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/22/2006 9:03:32 AM)

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Because he supports sweeping campaign finance reform. 


And what reform is that????

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Kree -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/23/2006 3:28:15 AM)

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How was it foolish?

The UK has a health plan that works correct?

Does taking care of others denote one as being foolish?

Or should we live the type of wealthy lives so others might suffer?

You obviously do not know much about the health care situation in the UK.  We have friends who live there.  If the need is for emergency treatment, there is a good health care system.  If the need is for something that is deemed to be unnecessary, there is a waiting list that one must sit on.  A good example is a vasectomy.  Imagine someone wanting to limit family size being put on a waiting list for three years for the procedure.  Yes, that is a real example.  Imagine paying income taxes in the 70-90% range so the government can decide what your needs for healthcare and social security are.  
 
My comment concerning Hillary and her health plan applies to her and to all the others who feel that citizens are incompetent to care for themselves, thus creating a need for the government to rule every aspect of our lives and make all of our decisions for us.
 
As to "taking care of others" and your "us vs them" argument about the wealthy, you have not watched the political landscape change over the years where certain parties and certain individuals within those parties used government programs and giveaways to create a dependency in the electorate that brought votes to them.  It was not out of the goodness of their hearts, it was an easy way to create a form of economic blackmail to keep a class distinction and to keep that class voting to get more from the government.  Elected officials do not pay the bills for this... people who get off their asses and work do.   





Kree -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/23/2006 3:34:33 AM)

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And like Bush was versed in something more than running a baseball club??????

Grow a brain.  Bush was a very successful Governor of Texas before running for President.  Hillary was a shyster lawyer who could not even run for the Senate from her State of residence (Arkansas) or her birth State, because they would not have elected her.  She chose to use the ridiculous law in NY that allows non-residents to run for the Senate if they have an address there and eventually establish residence.




Kree -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/23/2006 3:42:29 AM)

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I think you did use the correct word here.

ACCUSED

There is a difference.

Just because you want to call and apple a dog it is still an apple.

Quick! Look over there! Now get back to the crux of the discussion and quit grasping for straws. ;)

Of course I used the correct word.  I do that intentionally.  The problem is, Bill Clinton was able to lie and hush up the things he did at the expense of the people he harmed and at the expense of groups who supported him.  I watched Feminist groups sidestep the issues raised by women he harmed so theycould keep supporting him.  Isnt it amazing that a group with a purpose of raising women through the glass ceiling can go blind when their hero has clay feet? 
 
I dont need to grasp for straws.  Facts are facts.





SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/24/2006 10:29:25 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kree

Quote:
How was it foolish?

The UK has a health plan that works correct?

Does taking care of others denote one as being foolish?

Or should we live the type of wealthy lives so others might suffer?

You obviously do not know much about the health care situation in the UK.  We have friends who live there.  If the need is for emergency treatment, there is a good health care system.  If the need is for something that is deemed to be unnecessary, there is a waiting list that one must sit on.  A good example is a vasectomy.  Imagine someone wanting to limit family size being put on a waiting list for three years for the procedure.  Yes, that is a real example.  Imagine paying income taxes in the 70-90% range so the government can decide what your needs for healthcare and social security are.  
 
My comment concerning Hillary and her health plan applies to her and to all the others who feel that citizens are incompetent to care for themselves, thus creating a need for the government to rule every aspect of our lives and make all of our decisions for us.
 
As to "taking care of others" and your "us vs them" argument about the wealthy, you have not watched the political landscape change over the years where certain parties and certain individuals within those parties used government programs and giveaways to create a dependency in the electorate that brought votes to them.  It was not out of the goodness of their hearts, it was an easy way to create a form of economic blackmail to keep a class distinction and to keep that class voting to get more from the government.  Elected officials do not pay the bills for this... people who get off their asses and work do.   




So you don't think we can improve on what the Brits have done?

Is that the crux of it?

Ross




SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/24/2006 10:30:50 AM)

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ORIGINAL: Kree

Quote:
And like Bush was versed in something more than running a baseball club??????

Grow a brain.  Bush was a very successful Governor of Texas before running for President.  Hillary was a shyster lawyer who could not even run for the Senate from her State of residence (Arkansas) or her birth State, because they would not have elected her.  She chose to use the ridiculous law in NY that allows non-residents to run for the Senate if they have an address there and eventually establish residence.

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SirDiscipliner69 -> RE: I am ready for Clinton, Obama and Clinton for President. Are you? (12/24/2006 10:32:59 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Kree

Quote:
I think you did use the correct word here.

ACCUSED

There is a difference.

Just because you want to call and apple a dog it is still an apple.

Quick! Look over there! Now get back to the crux of the discussion and quit grasping for straws. ;)

Of course I used the correct word.  I do that intentionally.  The problem is, Bill Clinton was able to lie and hush up the things he did at the expense of the people he harmed and at the expense of groups who supported him.  I watched Feminist groups sidestep the issues raised by women he harmed so theycould keep supporting him.  Isnt it amazing that a group with a purpose of raising women through the glass ceiling can go blind when their hero has clay feet? 
 
I dont need to grasp for straws.  Facts are facts.




Sure glad GW feels the same way Nixon did:

"When the President does it, it is not illegal"
 
Richard Milhous Nixon before impeachment proceedings


Ross




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