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You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 4:39:44 AM   
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There are even some nonsmokers against the smoking ban in Ohio. They might just have read the Constitution. This post is not about that but as the originator of the post I am priveledged to say: When you are in business you make decisions, you pay the rent, whatever debt service and supplies.

As a business owner you guarantee your employees a steady schedule as well as steady income. You help them live their lives this way, and they should be loyal and give you the best day's work they can, every day.

However business is up and down. With this treasure of authority comes a responsibility, to make sure the paychecks do not bounce, and to resolve whatever comes up. You also need to keep watch that none of your employees run afoul of the law on your watch.

Well, nonsmokers I hope you're happy. Now we are getting laws regulating what kind of oil the frenchfries will be cooked in.

I said it before, before I ever had internet access; Sooner or later they will tell us what to eat. Now it is happening before yo\ur eyes, and nonsmokers, it is coming to you. Eventually they will outlaw something you like, and you will then know what it is like.

You see, I'll put it this way, I don't like cocaine. I do it from time to time but it is not my favorite buzz. It is OK. Some of you might not like the things I like. But if you like coke I would fight for your right to do it. You see, we can't just think of rights in terms just of what we want to do, we need to think about what others want to do.If we can't get that little bit of solidarity we are doomed.

Nonsmokers have kicked the Constitution in the balls and don't even realize it. You are telling people who supposedly own businesses what they must do, whether or not you'll ever spend a dime there.

Well, here it comes. NY has a ban coming on transfat, and Cleveland is soon to follow. I sure as hell hope that everybody that voted to take away the business owners' right to accomodate me is similarly screwed. You just don't see what you have done. This is like giving the government a license to take more (as if there is any more).

See, now they don't even want you to be able to get fat when you quit smoking. When will they ever stop ?

Never, as long as people support them. They won't stop making war until people stop supporting them either. Transfat, the next big killer now that smoking has been stomped out. Seatbelt laws appall me, and I said it then 'they got a very big foot in the door that day'.

I am going to say a few things now.

I have the RIGHT to drive out of my mind drunk, right next to your car, in something big and powerful, when I can't even walk because I am so fucked up. I have the right to do this, what I do not have the right to do is to screw up. Do I have that right when sober ?To just say, 'fukit, I'm gonna hit that car'. Of course not.

I have the RIGHT to sit right next to you at a movie theater with an AK47 and ten stripper clips. I did not say I had the right to shoot it off.

I have the RIGHT to do any drug I want in my own house, whether it has transfat in it or not. I did not say your house.

Now let's get to the family credo.

I have the RIGHT to blow your head clean off, as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences.

I have the RIGHT to run the cops on a 130MPH goose chase if I know where there are some underground tunnels I can get to (can't jam the radio anymore, they use spread spectrum).

I have the RIGHT to do anything I damnwell please, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

I take that right, every day. I do exactly as I please. Within limits of course. I am not afraid. The only reason I do not hurt anyone is that I simply do not want to. I really don't.

Next my thoughts will be illegal, and yes, they are working on that.

Nonsmokers, and all of you who support the trasnsfat ban, enjoy your victory, and remember this, love your enemies, because I really don't think you can trust your friends.

Nuff said.

T
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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 5:25:20 AM   
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Now we are getting laws regulating what kind of oil the chips will be cooked in.




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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 5:32:28 AM   
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Now we are getting laws regulating what kind of oil the chips will be cooked in.





Of course. We will get all sorts of trivial laws banning us from this and that but no laws doing the necessary to help retard global warming. All this trivia like banning cigarettes and cannibis and fox hunting in England is a pretence by politicians that they are radical and passing regulation for the good of the nation when all they are doing is wanking while Rome burns.

Jeez, and people take it all in, hook line and sinker!

You might or might not get cancer or heart desease but your grandchildren will frazzle in the heat and starve because of flooding or drought or some other catastrophe that we have the power to deal with but we won't because we are so wound up in trivia as a way of distraction from what really matters. Yeah, we're really radical, we banned cigarettes but fuck climate change, I'll be dead.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 5:46:07 AM   
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Nothing is being banned. Commerce is being regulated and controlled - as it should be.

Tobacco is perfectly legal.
Trans-fat is perfectly legal.

Smoking is regulated in public places.
Trans-fat is being regulated for commercial use.

Y'all need to refine and qualify this argument a lot if you want to start in on individual freedoms being hampered because of a little regulation of commerce and certain activities in public spaces.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 6:00:04 AM   
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Very true. Smoking is not banned in England. Also, there is no law to restrict smoking in members, private and working men's clubs.

MC, alright this morning or what? It's the thread from hell guaranteed to tip you over the edge! You seem to be saying some people believe tackling climate change and the effects of smoking are mutually exclusive. Which people are you talking about here?

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 6:11:09 AM   
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Ahh, this will be like shooting fish in a barrel.

T,

I agree in theory that less rules is generally better than more.  The more rules we impose, the less capable our society is in enforcing them.  However, there is an obligation for the government to set rules to ensure people don't die (and subsequently sue the restaurant, oil company, and health department.)  That's the only real motivation behind legislation. 

However, your position on rights is unsupportable, egotistical, and irresponsible, and downright selfish.

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You see, I'll put it this way, I don't like cocaine. I do it from time to time but it is not my favorite buzz. It is OK.


I believe we should legalize drugs, so that they aren't sold by pimps and pushers in the middle of the street, and so the profits don't end up buying bullets that shoot our troops.  Our war on drugs has failed to control the huge demand - proving our current policies to be a failure in terms of law enforcement.  It isn't the cops fault, it's our own puritanical values which has you so irked.

Personally, it doesn't bother me that people do cocaine.  It bothers me that those same people expect to clog our hospitals (risking our lives) when they OD.  People dying of cocaine induced heart attacks should be denied public hospital access and HMO coverage - and be forced to carry the financial burden of their own choices.  I think the same should go for smokers and alcohol related illnesses.  I also think that the prices for these various drugs should be fixed, taxed at an incredible rate, and the tax revenue get pumped into free rehab clinics, and to cover financial damages that result from substance abuse.  If people have to pay for the consequences of their habits up front, they might be less inclined to start.  If comprehensive rehabilitation programs (from entrance as junkie to six month later exit with job skills and one month on a paid position) were used, we'd all save money with more than a third of our prison population earning tax dollars with real jobs instead of being used as O2-CO2 converters.

The rest of your assertions are garbage.


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I have the RIGHT to drive out of my mind drunk, right next to your car, in something big and powerful, when I can't even walk because I am so fucked up. I have the right to do this, what I do not have the right to do is to screw up. Do I have that right when sober ?To just say, 'fukit, I'm gonna hit that car'. Of course not.


By law and custom, nobody has the right to engage in reckless behavior.  The anti-drunk driving laws aren't meant to punish people, they're meant to reduce the actual number of (all senseless) deaths due to idiots like you believing you drive just as well drunk as you do sober.

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I have the RIGHT to sit right next to you at a movie theater with an AK47 and ten stripper clips. I did not say I had the right to shoot it off.


I actually have the legal right (with a great deal of legal precedence) to arrest you if I see you walking towards me with said AK-47 and clips.  It's illegal to carry automatic weapons in public, a felony weapons charge, and citizens are permitted to make arrests (using the same techniques and restrictions as a law enforcement officer.)  Your attempt to resist such an arrest, holding said gun in your hands, would constitute a deadly threat to public safety.  I won't elaborate, due to this site's TOS, but I was in the Marines - how about you?

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I have the RIGHT to do any drug I want in my own house, whether it has transfat in it or not. I did not say your house.


Sure, I agree.  I hope you enjoy that right liberally.  You don't have the right to expose your children to it, though, and the moment you're behind the wheel because you have the munchies, you're no longer in your own home.  It's fine if you want to kill yourself, but not fine that you kill your neighbor in the process.

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Now let's get to the family credo.

I have the RIGHT to blow your head clean off, as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences.


I wouldn't call that a right.  I'd call it ego.

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I have the RIGHT to run the cops on a 130MPH goose chase if I know where there are some underground tunnels I can get to (can't jam the radio anymore, they use spread spectrum).


On your own dirt road racetrack, sure.  On public highways, I only hope it's your truck they slam into when someone else decides to exercise your perceived right.

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I have the RIGHT to do anything I damnwell please, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.


Considering the degree with which you don't value human life, I can only imagine the number of broken mailboxes, knocked over old women, and crying little girls you leave in your wake.  You don't have world war II flashbacks of wearing an ugly, stubby little mustache, do you?

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I take that right, every day. I do exactly as I please. Within limits of course. I am not afraid. The only reason I do not hurt anyone is that I simply do not want to. I really don't.


Of course not, it's their own fault if they trip over your path of destruction.

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Next my thoughts will be illegal, and yes, they are working on that.


No, by all means - your thoughts aren't quite bordering on sociopathic yet.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 6:15:54 AM   
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There are even some nonsmokers against the smoking ban in Ohio. They might just have read the Constitution. This post is not about that but as the originator of the post I am priveledged to say: When you are in business you make decisions, you pay the rent, whatever debt service and supplies.

As a business owner you guarantee your employees a steady schedule as well as steady income. You help them live their lives this way, and they should be loyal and give you the best day's work they can, every day.

However business is up and down. With this treasure of authority comes a responsibility, to make sure the paychecks do not bounce, and to resolve whatever comes up. You also need to keep watch that none of your employees run afoul of the law on your watch.

Well, nonsmokers I hope you're happy. Now we are getting laws regulating what kind of oil the frenchfries will be cooked in.

I said it before, before I ever had internet access; Sooner or later they will tell us what to eat. Now it is happening before yo\ur eyes, and nonsmokers, it is coming to you. Eventually they will outlaw something you like, and you will then know what it is like.

You see, I'll put it this way, I don't like cocaine. I do it from time to time but it is not my favorite buzz. It is OK. Some of you might not like the things I like. But if you like coke I would fight for your right to do it. You see, we can't just think of rights in terms just of what we want to do, we need to think about what others want to do.If we can't get that little bit of solidarity we are doomed.

Nonsmokers have kicked the Constitution in the balls and don't even realize it. You are telling people who supposedly own businesses what they must do, whether or not you'll ever spend a dime there.

Well, here it comes. NY has a ban coming on transfat, and Cleveland is soon to follow. I sure as hell hope that everybody that voted to take away the business owners' right to accomodate me is similarly screwed. You just don't see what you have done. This is like giving the government a license to take more (as if there is any more).

See, now they don't even want you to be able to get fat when you quit smoking. When will they ever stop ?

Never, as long as people support them. They won't stop making war until people stop supporting them either. Transfat, the next big killer now that smoking has been stomped out. Seatbelt laws appall me, and I said it then 'they got a very big foot in the door that day'.

I am going to say a few things now.

I have the RIGHT to drive out of my mind drunk, right next to your car, in something big and powerful, when I can't even walk because I am so fucked up. I have the right to do this, what I do not have the right to do is to screw up. Do I have that right when sober ?To just say, 'fukit, I'm gonna hit that car'. Of course not.

I have the RIGHT to sit right next to you at a movie theater with an AK47 and ten stripper clips. I did not say I had the right to shoot it off.

I have the RIGHT to do any drug I want in my own house, whether it has transfat in it or not. I did not say your house.

Now let's get to the family credo.

I have the RIGHT to blow your head clean off, as long as I am willing to deal with the consequences.

I have the RIGHT to run the cops on a 130MPH goose chase if I know where there are some underground tunnels I can get to (can't jam the radio anymore, they use spread spectrum).

I have the RIGHT to do anything I damnwell please, as long as it doesn't hurt anyone.

I take that right, every day. I do exactly as I please. Within limits of course. I am not afraid. The only reason I do not hurt anyone is that I simply do not want to. I really don't.

Next my thoughts will be illegal, and yes, they are working on that.

Nonsmokers, and all of you who support the trasnsfat ban, enjoy your victory, and remember this, love your enemies, because I really don't think you can trust your friends.

Nuff said.

T


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"Dude" I do not know what you were smoking or snorting when you composed this but what ever it was it seems to have removed you from reality by quite some distance...how about sharing.
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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 8:10:22 AM   
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MC, alright this morning or what? It's the thread from hell guaranteed to tip you over the edge! You seem to be saying some people believe tackling climate change and the effects of smoking are mutually exclusive. Which people are you talking about here?


Like I haven't seen any realistic legislation to tackle greenhouse gas emissions but one hears a lot from politicians and the left about banning smoking cigarettes in public (its getting there) and fox hunting as if they are such radical reforms when they aren't even the equivalent of pissing in the ocean when it comes to what needs to be done. It is all just Blairesque posturing.

Hell, I don't know what I'm complaining about, I don't live in posturing radical Britain. Get yourself to Amsterdam Termyn8or. Tobacco is cheap, as is cannibis and you can blow the smoke in the face of policemen (they probably smoke the special stash anyway), you could even hand a whore her earnings at the same time. Thank god for this haven of civilisation.

And they're slowly beating the car out of town.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 8:21:14 AM   
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MC, alright this morning or what? It's the thread from hell guaranteed to tip you over the edge! You seem to be saying some people believe tackling climate change and the effects of smoking are mutually exclusive. Which people are you talking about here?


Like I haven't seen any realistic legislation to tackle greenhouse gas emissions but one hears a lot from politicians and the left about banning smoking cigarettes in public (its getting there) and fox hunting as if they are such radical reforms when they aren't even the equivalent of pissing in the ocean when it comes to what needs to be done. It is all just Blairesque posturing.

Hell, I don't know what I'm complaining about, I don't live in posturing radical Britain. Get yourself to Amsterdam Termyn8or. Tobacco is cheap, as is cannibis and you can blow the smoke in the face of policemen (they probably smoke the special stash anyway), you could even hand a whore her earnings at the same time. Thank god for this haven of civilisation.

And they're slowly beating the car out of town.


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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 8:30:38 AM   
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And they're slowly beating the car out of town.


So...you are for or against reasonable regulation? Or only when it suits you?


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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 8:31:30 AM   
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MC, alright this morning or what? It's the thread from hell guaranteed to tip you over the edge! You seem to be saying some people believe tackling climate change and the effects of smoking are mutually exclusive. Which people are you talking about here?


Like I haven't seen any realistic legislation to tackle greenhouse gas emissions but one hears a lot from politicians and the left about banning smoking cigarettes in public (its getting there) and fox hunting as if they are such radical reforms when they aren't even the equivalent of pissing in the ocean when it comes to what needs to be done. It is all just Blairesque posturing.

Hell, I don't know what I'm complaining about, I don't live in posturing radical Britain. Get yourself to Amsterdam Termyn8or. Tobacco is cheap, as is cannibis and you can blow the smoke in the face of policemen (they probably smoke the special stash anyway), you could even hand a whore her earnings at the same time. Thank god for this haven of civilisation.

And they're slowly beating the car out of town.


That's two of us nor what you're talking about. Post one you sound like you're about to cry, post two you live in a haven of civilisation. If it's all good in The Netherlands just relax, enjoy it. Britain's not for you, that's life, horses for courses etc.

The only person I see posturing about radical reform is you. Since when has a ban on fox hunting being deemed to be a radical reform? Judging by your posts only in your eyes, MC. I would describe it as bringing ourselves on a par with the civilised world i.e. there's nothing particularly radical about it. It sounds like you're confusing the British Government with the British left (which is bizarre when you consider the current British Government occupies the centre ground). It's your call if you want to lump everyone into one category but I doubt you'll get to the root of very much by adopting this policy.

I've been to The Netherlands a few times, MC and I thought the place was fairly non-descript outside of Amsterdam. Eindhoven and Rotterdam were bland with all the bars/pubs banging out that horrible, ear-splitting euro-trash, techno stuff. Interestingly though, most of the Dutch I spoke to outside of Amsterdam are actually embarrassed by the Amsterdam drugs and sex scene and believe the place is not a fair representation of The Netherlands and its people. Maybe it's not the paradise you would have us believe? It certainly doesn't surprise me that the Dutch and other continental Europeans lap up our music like there's no tomorrow - absolutely shocking the music over there.

Good work with the neat swerve of a request to explain yourself, MC. Anyone would think you just like an argument and will say anything to get one?!

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 8:41:32 AM   
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Quite. I agree.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 8:55:30 AM   
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Nothing is being banned. Commerce is being regulated and controlled - as it should be.

Tobacco is perfectly legal.
Trans-fat is perfectly legal.

Smoking is regulated in public places.


Actually, smoking in PUBLIC places is unregulated. Smoking in places covered by, say State Worker's Health and Safety Regulations is regulated.

A "Place of Employement" is NOT A PUBLIC PLACE. It *may* be a place of PUBLIC ACCOMMODATION, however.

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Y'all need to refine and qualify this argument a lot if you want to start in on individual freedoms being hampered because of a little regulation of commerce and certain activities in public spaces.


Again, not in PUBLIC SPACES.

Why would you think any COMMERCIAL ESTABLISHMENT was a Public Space?


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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 9:16:13 AM   
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And they're slowly beating the car out of town.


So...you are for or against reasonable regulation? Or only when it suits you?



In a city with a fully integrated transport sytem and a network of cycle lanes, there is really no need for cars in the centre of the city but I've got nothing against people driving cars in the city as long as there are roads for them and car drivers are prepared to pay the full price of the environmental damage they cause. It's just that when people have to pay for the full costs of the damage cars do, they seem to prefer public transport.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 9:27:59 AM   
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I've been to The Netherlands a few times, MC and I thought the place was fairly non-descript outside of Amsterdam. Eindhoven and Rotterdam were bland with all the bars/pubs banging out that horrible, ear-splitting euro-trash, techno stuff. Interestingly though, most of the Dutch I spoke to outside of Amsterdam are actually embarrassed by the Amsterdam drugs and sex scene and believe the place is not a fair representation of The Netherlands and its people. Maybe it's not the paradise you would have us believe? It certainly doesn't surprise me that the Dutch and other continental Europeans lap up our music like there's no tomorrow - absolutely shocking the music over there.



I've never met anyone embarrassed by the drugs and sex scene. Most Dutch people view it as being rational as to ban it, it would still be there but underground and criminalised. As it stands now its all in the open and can be policed. It really is nothing to do with being liberal but rational.

I think you'll find Rammstein are the biggest group here which happen to be German but if you look in the charts or the record stores the music here comes from all over Europe but yep, there is significant British and American music but also significant German, French, Italian and Spanish music.

As for Rottterdam being bland, as an architecture fan, I can't think of a city in Britain that has modern architecture to compare with Rotterdam. In fact you will find that most architecture schools around Europe and even some American acrchitecture schools, send their students to visit Rotterdam to study the architecture. Though I have to admit, Rotterdam is not Amsterdam and if you don't know Rotterdam you will probably miss the best places to go but you can say that of Manchester too.

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 11:08:53 AM   
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I've never met anyone embarrassed by the drugs and sex scene. Most Dutch people view it as being rational as to ban it, it would still be there but underground and criminalised. As it stands now its all in the open and can be policed. It really is nothing to do with being liberal but rational.

Genuinely, I've spoken with loads of Dutch (particularly women) who disassociated themselves with the whole thing. Maybe they were just trying to impress an English Gent.

I think you'll find Rammstein are the biggest group here which happen to be German

Says it all doesn't it. Isn't David Hasselhof an object of worship in Germany? They're a strange crowd those continental European types. Hey MC, we were in Berlin about 3 months ago and I reckon the music in the clubs was split about 70% British/30% American - Oasis, Manic Street Preachers etc - it was like home from home. Come on, you can't tell me they don't lap our music up? Look at all the British bands that tour France and Germany etc - there isn't much of a market in Britain for their bands to play over here (although there are a few decent French DJs who play the club scene over here).

As for Rottterdam being bland, as an architecture fan, I can't think of a city in Britain that has modern architecture to compare with Rotterdam. In fact you will find that most architecture schools around Europe and even some American acrchitecture schools, send their students to visit Rotterdam to study the architecture. Though I have to admit, Rotterdam is not Amsterdam and if you don't know Rotterdam you will probably miss the best places to go but you can say that of Manchester too.

To be fair to Rotterdam, we went because we were invited by a few girls we met in Northern France. We turned up and they were as good as gold - put us up for the night, took us round the bars and clubs etc. They were very good company as it goes and we had a top night so full marks to the people of Rotterdam. It just seemed really grey to me with loads of flats that looked exactly the same for miles. Then again it was 1995 so I'm sure things have changed.



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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 11:24:40 AM   
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This is a pocketbook issue for sure. Once a state pays outrageous amounts for Medicaid and medical care, they look for ways to lower the overhead. Obviously they feel strongly enough that Transfats and fast foods are costing them money in the long run. From what what I've read and heard, they are probably right. I dont know, I havent read this rule but it doesnt sound so bad. Would Ralph Nadar be proud?

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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 12:26:57 PM   
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Genuinely, I've spoken with loads of Dutch (particularly women) who disassociated themselves with the whole thing. Maybe they were just trying to impress an English Gent.

I only mix with locals and all my friends are Dutch as is my daughter and I don't know anyone who is embarrassed about the sex and drug industry here, it's just part of life. Hell, my church going ex father in law votes for the liberal left and supports the liberal drug and sex laws because it is rational and helps stop criminalisation. I mix with a lot of women, none have ever showed the slightest discomfort with the liberal sex and drug laws.

Says it all doesn't it. Isn't David Hasselhof an object of worship in Germany? They're a strange crowd those continental European types. Hey MC, we were in Berlin about 3 months ago and I reckon the music in the clubs was split about 70% British/30% American - Oasis, Manic Street Preachers etc - it was like home from home. Come on, you can't tell me they don't lap our music up? Look at all the British bands that tour France and Germany etc - there isn't much of a market in Britain for their bands to play over here (although there are a few decent French DJs who play the club scene over here).
 
Germany isn't Holland but Britain has a few embarrassments like Bruce Forsythe. British is more popular than American music here amongst the young but you hear a lot more varied music here than in Britain. You can go to clubs were nothing but Britpop is played but you have to search it out. My daughter is into all that stuff and she complains that none of her friends like it but what is wrong with Rammstein? There isn't much of a market in Britain for European music for two reasons, one, Britain is insular and two, when it isn't, it looks towards America. Brits don't seem to be able to cope with songs sung in any other language but English. They miss so much quality music but that is their problem.


To be fair to Rotterdam, we went because we were invited by a few girls we met in Northern France. We turned up and they were as good as gold - put us up for the night, took us round the bars and clubs etc. They were very good company as it goes and we had a top night so full marks to the people of Rotterdam. It just seemed really grey to me with loads of flats that looked exactly the same for miles. Then again it was 1995 so I'm sure things have changed.

The weather is often grey because it is situated on a delta and much of the city is below sea level and the damp weather just sticks there but you can't have looked very far because it has some acknowledged world class contemporary architecture.



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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 12:28:55 PM   
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This is a pocketbook issue for sure. Once a state pays outrageous amounts for Medicaid and medical care, they look for ways to lower the overhead. Obviously they feel strongly enough that Transfats and fast foods are costing them money in the long run. From what what I've read and heard, they are probably right. I dont know, I havent read this rule but it doesnt sound so bad. Would Ralph Nadar be proud?


End The War and shit, and we'll have PLENTY of money so that we don't need to ration healthcare...


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RE: You won ? (Constitution) - 12/18/2006 3:20:34 PM   
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Breath.

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