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Breathplay - 12/19/2006 1:54:45 AM   
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Any women interested in erotic asphyxiation?
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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 3:01:23 AM   
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My girl and I engage in breathplay all the time.  I can't say I consider it to be even remotely 'erotic' (isn't that that's the stuff for middle aged housewives, reading about 'his sword plunging within her depths'?)  It's more grunting, clawing, scratching, biting, twisting, shaking, struggling, fucking sort of asphyxiation.


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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 6:12:06 AM   
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I can't say I consider it to be even remotely 'erotic'



I would say is erotic if it makes me come hard at the same time I'm feeling like passing out.

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 6:43:44 AM   
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I don't know if I've been really oxygen deprived enough to call it really asphyxiation.. but I've done some breath play, it's fun. Anything specific you are referring to?

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 7:17:27 AM   
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I'm curious about breathplay, but I'm also afraid of it.  How do those of you who engage in breathplay ensure safety?

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 7:27:25 AM   
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We do breathplay and I tend to enjoy anything that involves my neck (which I already know is the more dangerous types).  In terms of safety, I don't think there's anything you can do to assure 100% safety - my owner knows CPR (I know that Jay Wiseman says that doesn't matter) and he doesn't believe in doing it to the point of unconciousness.

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 7:36:31 AM   
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We do breathplay and I tend to enjoy anything that involves my neck (which I already know is the more dangerous types).  In terms of safety, I don't think there's anything you can do to assure 100% safety - my owner knows CPR (I know that Jay Wiseman says that doesn't matter) and he doesn't believe in doing it to the point of unconciousness.

C~



I believe the safety issue is in regards to compression of the carotid arteries (to induce oxygen deprivation of the brain and/or unconsciousness) moreso than "breath play".  Specifically, the issue surrounds the accumulation of plaques on the interior walls of the arteries, which under compression, may stick to one another leaving the arteries closed shut even when the compression is removed (ie: CPR ain't gonna save you).
 
Unfortunately, unless you've had a nuclear or doppler image of your carotids, there's no sure way to know if you have plaques or not.  Nor is there any certainty that the condition will occur even if they exist.  It's really just a crap shoot.
 
I'm not suggesting that the risk is such that no one should engage in this type of play.  Just that they be informed as to the nature of the risk in order to make up their own minds.
 
John

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 7:43:12 AM   
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My slave gets very wet when I restrict her breathing.  All I do is pinch her nostrils closed for a minute or so and cover her mouth with my hand, so she can't get any or only a small gasp of air.  That is enough to get her lightheaded and that's all that she needs to feel aroused.  There is no need to go beyond that with her.

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RE: Breath play - 12/19/2006 8:11:52 AM   
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John you seem to know a lot about breath play, a huge favorite of mine....
 
and for years i have had this question (open to every one) it seems to me that there are several ways of doing it...each creating vastly differing effects and the hand place meant is is only a little different each way...
 
there seem to be 5 different effects that i have counted and for some reason they cant necessarily be recreated by the same hand throat manuvers....
 
there are only 2 effects i really like
 
the one where i slip off completely and instantly into a echoing halucination...i call this one a subconsious safari, because its like a deep mediation, i hear voices, i get clarity on personal problems, feel incredibly loved...ect
 
the one where i get heavy, get a massive body high (warm chills for lack of a better word and then get all floaty) this one is not very mental....but still very nice.
 
i really dont care foot the other 3 types and their effects:
 
suspended animation and time sort of stands still, you are are of you mortality and your life sort of does pass through your eyes...
 
the one where there you cant breathe, you body convulses and you are instinctual fighting against surrendering
 
and the one where nothing happens and you get a head ache...(maby some minor audio hallucinations)
 
i want to know how to get the slip off completely in to the echoing haluciation....i love this one....and i always feel amazing when i come back. is there a way to get that one each time?
 

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 8:17:21 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: darksdesire

I'm curious about breathplay, but I'm also afraid of it.  How do those of you who engage in breathplay ensure safety?


I guess the answer to this is dependent on what you think is "ensure safety"

My answere would be .. You can't Ensure safety.... but that is becuase I see "Ensure Safety" as meaning no harm will occur.

I personally don't see that a person can "Ensure Safety"... I do see that we can minimize risk and the consequences in what we do... but even then.. there is a risk of harmful consequences.  With Breath Play... the consequences could be rather serious.

I do engage in breath play..... I work to minimize the risk of the consequence....  but the risk is there none the less.

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 8:54:06 AM   
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I'm new here, but not new to this lifestyle.  I thoroughly enjoy breathplay.  Yes, I know it's dangerous.  Yes, I know you can't make it safe.  I think, at least for me, that's the draw.  Knowing that you place total trust in the other person's hands, that your very life is in their hands, is very stimulating.  I too love anything to do with my neck, but to have a hand wrapped around it, staring into the eyes of my Dom, is beyond description.  Just my two cents worth....

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 9:07:32 AM   
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Yes, but not full asphyxiation or with ropes or gadgets.
I really like having my throat grabbed and lightly squeezed during sexual contact or in scenes.
suzanne

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 9:19:58 AM   
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quote:

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I believe the safety issue is in regards to compression of the carotid arteries (to induce oxygen deprivation of the brain and/or unconsciousness) moreso than "breath play".  Specifically, the issue surrounds the accumulation of plaques on the interior walls of the arteries, which under compression, may stick to one another leaving the arteries closed shut even when the compression is removed (ie: CPR ain't gonna save you).
 

John

I read the article I've pasted below on the subject. From what I gather it's not the thought the artery wil stick together.
suzanne

The primary danger of suffocation play is that it is not a condition that gets worse over time (regarding the heart, anyway, it does get worse over time regarding the brain). Rather, what happens is that the more the play is prolonged, the greater the odds that a cardiac arrest will occur. Sometimes even one minute of suffocation can cause this; sometimes even less.

Quick pathophysiology lesson # 1: When the heart gets low on oxygen, it starts to fire off "extra" pacemaker sites. These usually appear in the ventricles and are thus called premature ventricular contractions -- PVC's for short. If a PVC happens to fire off during the electrical repolarization phase of cardiac contraction (the dreaded "PVC on T" phenomenon, also sometimes called "R on T") it can kick the heart over into ventricular fibrillation -- a form of cardiac arrest. The lower the heart gets on oxygen, the more PVC's it generates, and the more vulnerable to their effect it becomes, thus hypoxia increases both the probability of a PVC-on-T occurring and of its causing a cardiac arrest.

When this will happen to a particular person in a particular session is simply not predictable. This is exactly where most of the medical people I have discussed this topic with "hit the wall." Virtually all medical folks know that PVC's are both life-threating and hard to detect unless the patient is hooked to a cardiac monitor. When medical folks discuss breath control play, the question quickly becomes: How can you tell when they start throwing PVC's? The answer is: You basically can't.

Quick pathophysiology lesson # 2: When breathing is restricted, the body cannot eliminate carbon dioxide as it should, and the amount of carbon dioxide in the blood increases. Carbon dioxide (CO2) and water (H2O) exist in equilibrium with what's called carbonic acid (H2CO3) in a reaction catalyzed by an enzyme called carbonic anhydrase. (Sorry, but I can't do subscripts in this program.)

Thus: CO2 + H2O H2CO3

A molecule of carbonic acid dissociates on its own into a molecule of what's called bicarbonate (HCO3-) and an (acidic) hydrogen ion. (H+)

Thus: H2CO3 <> HCO3- and H+

Thus the overall pattern is:

H2O + CO2 <> H2CO3 <> HCO3- + H+

Therefore, if breathing is restricted, CO2 builds up and the reaction shifts to the right in an attempt to balance things out, ultimately making the blood more acidic and thus decreasing its pH. This is called respiratory acidosis. (If the patient hyperventilates, they "blow off CO2" and the reaction shifts to the left, thus increasing the pH. This is called respiratory alkalosis, and has its own dangers.)

Quick pathophysiology lesson # 3:

Again, if breathing is restricted, not only does carbon dioxide have a hard time getting out, but oxygen also has a hard time getting in. A molecule of glucose (C6H12O6) breaks down within the cell by a process called glycolysis into two molecules of pyruvate, thus creating a small amount of ATP for the body to use as energy. Under normal circumstances, pyruvate quickly combines with oxygen to produce a much larger amount of ATP. However, if there's not enough oxygen to properly metabolize the pyruvate, it is converted into lactic acid and produces one form of what's called a metabolic acidosis.

As you can see, either a build-up in the blood of carbon dioxide or a decrease in the blood of oxygen will cause the pH of the blood to fall. If both occur at the same time, as they do in cases of suffocation, the pH of the blood will plummet to life-threatening levels within a very few minutes. The pH of normal human blood is in the 7.35 to 7.45 range (slightly alkaline). A pH falling to 6.9 (or raising to 7.8) is "incompatible with life."


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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 9:42:48 AM   
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My slave gets very wet when I restrict her breathing. All I do is pinch her nostrils closed for a minute or so and cover her mouth with my hand, so she can't get any or only a small gasp of air. That is enough to get her lightheaded and that's all that she needs to feel aroused. There is no need to go beyond that with her.

David


This is the same way with my slave. I also find it more erotic to look deep into his eyes when I cover his mouth and nose. His eyes change as he is deprived of breath and he has non-verbal safewords as well as my counting out the seconds silently.

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 9:44:54 AM   
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Yikes!

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 10:23:00 AM   
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ok, this one has my knickers twisted.  i realize that many of the activities we pursue involve the potential for personal injury.  but the potential for death?  maybe i am missing something here, but this seems to be a bit beyond my comprehension.  you may have safely engaged in breath play for years, well and good.  but say on a given day, your partner's physiological state (which is a function of about nine zillion different variables) is such that 30 seconds or a minute of restricted breath KILLS them.  whoops!  "no officer, he/she told me i could.  really! what are you doing with those handcuffs?" (he ain't playing). oh well, best of luck in th big house, where safe, sane and consensual play hasn't caught on.

someone, anyone, feel free to tell me i'm just ignorant, or i don't get it, or whatever.  i welcome someone explaining that the benefits are worth the risk.

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 10:29:13 AM   
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No, I doubt the benefits are worth the risk.  Yes, it's dangerous.  I don't think there is a single person who has ever engaged in breathplay (that has read anything about it) that will tell you any different.  It's still a high.  It's still exciting.  As long as those feelings affect people, it's going to happen.  I have gone too far.  I've had patechial hemorraghing and been scared afterwards.  It still excites the heck out of me.  Does that make me dumb as a rock?  Maybe...

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 10:32:13 AM   
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ORIGINAL: catfood

ok, this one has my knickers twisted.  i realize that many of the activities we pursue involve the potential for personal injury.  but the potential for death?  maybe i am missing something here, but this seems to be a bit beyond my comprehension.  you may have safely engaged in breath play for years, well and good.  but say on a given day, your partner's physiological state (which is a function of about nine zillion different variables) is such that 30 seconds or a minute of restricted breath KILLS them.  whoops!  "no officer, he/she told me i could.  really! what are you doing with those handcuffs?" (he ain't playing). oh well, best of luck in th big house, where safe, sane and consensual play hasn't caught on.

someone, anyone, feel free to tell me i'm just ignorant, or i don't get it, or whatever.  i welcome someone explaining that the benefits are worth the risk.


You are completely right, in fact I've already died from breath play and this is my ghost talking to everyone from beyond...

C~


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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 11:01:20 AM   
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You are completely right, in fact I've already died from breath play and this is my ghost talking to everyone from beyond...

C~



how's the weather in the afterlife?

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RE: Breathplay - 12/19/2006 12:26:34 PM   
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I once had a subbie over to my house for a first date. I made a fire and we sat down on the sofa before it. Then I got up to put some more wood on the blaze. When I picked up the hatchet, she had a little bit of a panic attack.

I suppose I should have made it clear to her that I draw the line at ax murder. I also draw the line at "breath play".

When I was a Boy Scout at summer camp I used to practice knife throwing. So should I enjoy myself with a scene like in the movie The Gangs of New York? I probably could do as well as Daniel Day Lewis did. But I draw the line.

Apparently amputations are so appealing to some that there was a main stream movie called Boxing Helena. Maybe it wasn't ax murder that subbie was afraid of? Maybe she had seen that movie? In any case I draw the line.

Recently there was a British guy who advertised for someone to eat. He did in fact kill and eat an applicant. He got a lot of responses to his ad. This seems to prove that there is someone who will let you do anything to them. There are no limits if you look hard enough. But for me - I draw the line at canibalism.

I don't care what the subbie says. I won't choke her. Risking her life is just stupid. I draw the line.

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