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mnottertail -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/19/2006 8:15:41 PM)

It would be a poignant moment for everyone concerned, yes.
Ron




losttreasure -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/19/2006 10:19:15 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

So in this thread- I'd like both sides to  share what they would LIKE to know/understand and when it would be the best time to approach the topic.  Such as..if someone is a lousy kisser.. would you take offense if someone  were to  mention a way they would like to be kissed?  If you are giving head.. would you be upset if the person  gently stops you and explains what is working and not?
 
It would be a wonderful holiday gift :) So, Dom/Dommes . how can your sub help and would you take offence?  
 
The same for the Subs.. but then..they expect to be given direction.
 


*laughs*  I'm sitting here wondering if I understand the question...

I've almost always appreciated being given direction.  Wanting to please is very much a part of my makeup and I'm very receptive to instructions if they're delivered with a little care.  But it's also been hard for me to learn to speak up about what I'd like.  A good part of the reason has to do with not wanting to feel like I'm controlling, but there's also a worry that my comments might be taken as criticism.  (Men have such fragile egos, don't you know.  [;)]) But in general, there's a very large part that fears exposure and rejection. 

I don't believe I'm too unusual in these respects, so my "holiday gift" to dominants would be to offer the following suggestions when plumbing the depths of your pet's sexual/kinky secrets... be it to pleasure her/him, or yourself. 

(Not to discount any relationship configuration, but I'll be referring to the dominant role as male and the submissive as female from here on out... it's what I'm familiar with.)

1)  Go slowly.  No matter what your level of activity is, take things slowly.  Explore and take time to really learn each others responses... but more important, take time to enjoy where you are at now and at each level before you race off to the next thrill.  Oh, and  don't forget to revisit those levels you've surpassed... just because your sub can now tolerate a stiff beating, it doesn't mean that she can't still enjoy an erotic and "gentle" spanking.

2)  Ask questions.  You don't need to make her feel like she's being interrogated (unless she likes that [;)]), but never assume anything.  Talk to her before, during and after.  Make every effort to really listen to her answers... not only what she says, but how she says it.  Ask her about what she knows and understands about the male body.  Ask what she feels...is she comfortable... is it too rough/not rough enough... what is she thinking... what is she expecting.  Find out everything you can... knowledge is power.

3)  Don't judge.  It may be a soul wrenching confession for her to tell you that she wants x, y, or z.  Treat her openness with respect and care, and you'll only encourage her to become even more transparent to you.

4)  Reassure.  If she's submitted or admitted to something that she's either not sure about or might be embarrassed about (you know this because you've asked - see #2 above), make sure she knows that you are pleased and that she will not be rejected.  Even if it's not perfect, reassure her that her efforts alone have pleased you.

5)  Empathize.  Put yourself in her position... not literally, but consider how things are from her viewpoint and use that information.  If you're wanting the world's best blowjob, expecting her to accomplish that while dealing with the distraction of an uncomfortable position might be asking too much.  Again, it's more information and that is more power. 

6)  Teach.  No one knows your body better than you do.  Share with her what she needs to know (you know what she's lacking because you've asked questions - see #2 above).  Tell her where to touch, and how, and when... and what to expect.  Have a "dom exploration day" where she can learn what pleases you from the top of your head to the toes of your feet.  Once more, knowledge is power and you're giving your sub the power to please you. ("Commanding" a reciprocal "sub exploration day" would be an easy follow-up... after all, you've set the example for what you want to know about her.)

7)  Control intensity.  If you are truly looking to pleasure your submissive, here's where you really need all that information you've gathered (see #2 above) and more.  While a submissive might enjoy a particular activity, it doesn't mean they'll enjoy that same activity at a higher intensity.  There's a huge difference between enjoying something and tolerating it.  Keep asking (see #2 above).

8)  Positively reinforce.  Praise goes a long way toward encouraging the behavior and activities that you want.  If she's pleased you, let her know.  If she does something that knocks your socks off, make damn sure she knows about it.   You'll be glad you did. [;)] 

9)  Correct gently.  This is a broad generalization and may not apply to all subs, but submissives have a tendency to be very sensitive... especially when it comes to pleasing their dominant.  Use criticism (even the so-called constructive type) sparingly and avoid it if at all possible.  You've many other tools (see #1 through #8 above) that you can use before resorting to the potential damage that a poorly worded or timed criticism can do.

10)  Timing is everything.  Unfortunately, it's also the one thing that I can't give you a specific answer on.  So much depends upon the activity and what needs to be said.  All I can tell you is that you should never allow an issue to go unresolved for any great period of time... especially if it concerns an activity that has been performed repeatedly.  I promise you that nothing will crush your submissive's spirit faster than to sit her down, after several months and countless blowjobs, to give her instruction on how to please you orally.  All she's going to do is spend the entire time reeling with thoughts that you've "put up" with her inferior performance for all this time, speculating about the dissatisfaction you've felt with her, and wondering what other failings of hers are you simply tolerating.  Not a good thing.

Best wishes and happy holidays to all!




pixelslave -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/19/2006 10:54:34 PM)

That was a wonderful post losttreasure and I think it applies to male subs as well.  At least in general it would to me. [:D]

I'll say that I greatly enjoy exploring a Mistress, and knowing that I have have been given the leeway to do that.  Rarely have I not discovered something she enjoyed or an erogenous zone that she wasn't previously aware of before.  At the same time, it has been rare for that to have been reciprocated by a Domme with me that I can recall with only one exception that comes to mind. [:o]

When it comes to direction, I prefer it happens at the time when we are actively involved.  With some activities all that is required is gentle guidance without even the use of a single word needing to be spoken at the time.  With others, it is fine by me to have her say, "Let me show you how I'd like it, this or that is the way I prefer you do it" and then have her reaffirm that I am giving her what she wants or redirect me once again until I get it right.  Some learn better by doing as opposed to being told, and for me there's no better way to learn than the use of "on the job training" so to speak. [:D]   Being critiqued afterward when there's nothing I can do to change what has already been done, is to me the wrong time to let me know that something needs to change as it only creates anxiety until the next time that we are together and the situation is repeated and the conversation must be replayed within the mind again, if not reverbalized once again as well. [:-]

The delicate question that I have is what if you're a sub and you're with a Mistress who is not exactly the most talented as a kisser and you want to help her learn.  How do you broach the matter with her as a sub??  I've encountered it in the past and have never known quite what to do other than to model how to kiss the best way that I know how and hope she'd eventually realize there was a different and more enjoyable way to kiss than she employed in the current method that she used. [8|]

- pixel




Vendaval -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/19/2006 11:37:57 PM)

Quite a bit of communication concerning likes and dislikes has already taken place before
the sexual intimacy begins for me.  Once the physical aspect comes into
play, it is best to mention what is or is not working during or shortly after it happens
rather than letting non-productive activities become habits.
 
Some of the obvious clues for a male sub serving a Domme are -
 
#1 Women have these funny cycles and moods caused by hormones,
     we can be moody and overly-sensitive at certain times of the cycle.
 
#2 When this happens, be mellow and supportive.  Get the herbal teas,
      vitamins, Midol and chocolate out and give her a foot rub followed by
      a bubble bath with candles and a massage.
 
 #3 The level of touch on a woman's body that was comfortable a few days ago
     may become painful, especially on the breasts and belly.
 
#4 Nipples are not stereo nobs.  Twiddling them in an effort to adjust
     the radio frequency may well get you a smack in the face or kicked
     in the jaw.
 
#5 Be the person she can trust and rely on during stressful times,
     whether caused by nasty weather, dumb-ass bosses, stupid clients
     or those pesky hormones.  Be her solution solver, not another
     problem maker.
 

     YMMV,
 
 
     Vendaval
 
 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 
 

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong
So, Dom/Dommes . how can your sub help and would you take offence?  




LotusSong -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/20/2006 3:58:23 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave


The delicate question that I have is what if you're a sub and you're with a Mistress who is not exactly the most talented as a kisser and you want to help her learn.  How do you broach the matter with her as a sub??  I've encountered it in the past and have never known quite what to do other than to model how to kiss the best way that I know how and hope she'd eventually realize there was a different and more enjoyable way to kiss than she employed in the current method that she used. [8|]

- pixel


How about "Mistresse, may I share something I have read about with you.  I think you may enjoy it also."  ?  If that doesn't work, then just be blatantly up front with her.  "Mistresse, if you try to swallow my face ONE more time, I'm gonna have to bite back". LOL (but then, I have a fantastic sense of humor) 
 
Anything brought to my attention in the spirit of service, is always well received  
 
All in all, I think it depends of the nature of the Dom/me..




losttreasure -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/20/2006 8:10:55 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

That was a wonderful post losttreasure and I think it applies to male subs as well.  At least in general it would to me. [:D]


Thank you, pixelslave.  [:D]

quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave

Being critiqued afterward when there's nothing I can do to change what has already been done, is to me the wrong time to let me know that something needs to change as it only creates anxiety until the next time that we are together and the situation is repeated and the conversation must be replayed within the mind again, if not reverbalized once again as well. [:-]


I couldn't agree more.  It's not easy being critiqued to begin with, but I would much prefer to be given the opportunity to make changes while we're in the moment.




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/20/2006 2:42:37 PM)

quote:

(Where my damn keys are)


Seriously, a simple basket would solve that problem in about 5 seconds.




SoquilisGirl -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/21/2006 11:28:38 AM)

This is perfect, losttreasure. I'm going to send it (all) to my Daddy. Thanks for posting it!

Soquili's Girl

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quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

1)  Go slowly. 

2)  Ask questions. 

3)  Don't judge. 

4)  Reassure. 

5)  Empathize. 

6)  Teach. 

7)  Control intensity. 

8)  Positively reinforce. 

9)  Correct gently. 

10)  Timing is everything. 





losttreasure -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/21/2006 1:36:11 PM)

Thank you, Soquilisgirl. Best of wishes and happy holidays!




pixelslave -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/21/2006 3:15:02 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: LotusSong

quote:

ORIGINAL: pixelslave


The delicate question that I have is what if you're a sub and you're with a Mistress who is not exactly the most talented as a kisser and you want to help her learn.  How do you broach the matter with her as a sub??  I've encountered it in the past and have never known quite what to do other than to model how to kiss the best way that I know how and hope she'd eventually realize there was a different and more enjoyable way to kiss than she employed in the current method that she used. [8|]

- pixel


How about "Mistresse, may I share something I have read about with you.  I think you may enjoy it also."  ?  If that doesn't work, then just be blatantly up front with her.  "Mistresse, if you try to swallow my face ONE more time, I'm gonna have to bite back". LOL (but then, I have a fantastic sense of humor) 
 
Anything brought to my attention in the spirit of service, is always well received  
 
All in all, I think it depends of the nature of the Dom/me..



LOL LotusSong!  I like your response and attitude! [sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif][sm=lol.gif]  But, what if the Mistress bites me back in a very sensitive place while I'm restrained? [8|]  Oh, I get it, this is one of those messages not to deliver while cuffed to the bed!!! [;)]
 
 - pixel




LTRsubNW -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/21/2006 6:05:01 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: SDFemDom4cuck

quote:

(Where my damn keys are)


Seriously, a simple basket would solve that problem in about 5 seconds.


(Yeah right...and where'd you put the basket?)




SDFemDom4cuck -> RE: What men wish women would tell them.. and WHEN to tell them (12/21/2006 6:16:32 PM)

quote:

(Yeah right...and where'd you put the basket?)


LOL I have your basket right here peewee. Of course you have to remember to put the keys in to to begin with.




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