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Real0ne -> Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/20/2006 1:19:19 PM)

http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/voter_fraud.html

http://www.projectcensored.org/

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Voltare -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/20/2006 1:44:39 PM)

Highly amusing, inflammatory drivel.  Bush may be embarrassing, but Johnny Come Lately missed his chance. 






pahunkboy -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/20/2006 1:52:59 PM)

Yes Virginia, there is a boogieman.

Look at the bright side,  2006 was done right.




Termyn8or -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/21/2006 5:25:20 PM)

I heard he actually lost by 500,000 voptes but have not checked on the source. Know why ? It almost doesn't matter who is President.  Bush and Kerry are both Bonesmen, and would be "handled" and controlled by pretty much the same people anyway.

Kerry might not have gone along with the war plans as readily, they would probably have to convince him. If they couldn't talk him into it there wouold be a scandal of some sort. I don't want to go into just who picks the candidates, but the more skeletons in the closet the better.

Actually simply belonging to the Order of The Skull And Bones is not a scandal. In fact it may have been mentioned in the mainstrean newspapers in the US as many as three or four times since the 30s. Kerry was asked about being a Bonesman and his response pretty much said 'so what'. I can get the exact quote and source if you'd like.

The major differences in a US citizen's life affected by who is President are certain laws, apportionment of the money stolen from the taxpayers and some minor changes as to who pays more taxes vs. less. These are minor changes for us, but move massive money between corporations. Our money.

I think US citizens, or more properly Citizens in this case, should focus on congress and senate. This why they exist. It is pretty damn hard to get elected to the senate, but the congress is vulnerable to a much greater degree.

What's more in smaller elections fraud would be more easily detected. Actually I am no longer in favor of the secret ballot. At least not completely secret. If they use electronic voting machines, and we had actual voters just put an X who they voted for, things could happen. If the count was off by any significant amount everybody sign an affidavit, and at the very least fire the firm handling it.

Also, another little known fact :

BRB

T




Termyn8or -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/21/2006 6:38:20 PM)

(reason I split the post is because I used fastreply and it locks up on me)

Now if we canvassed enough of one congressional district, especially one with alot of people unhappy with the government (where will we find that ? lol), and get say ½ of them to sign up. At that level of proof it could sway the election right then and there.

The reason for this is because we have an electoral college. Almost anybody with a brain knows that yes, but what many do not know the these representatives are not legally nor lawfully bound to vote the constituency. If evidence is presented to them that there was vote fraud, they have ability to vote the other way, split the votes or abstain.

Perhaps the framers of the Constitution foresaw that someone might commit vote fraud sometime in the future. If so, this was meant to give us a last chance at a long bad road, but to the ballot box instead of the cartridge box.

Let's say a bunch of people who voted for someone who lost by a small margin. You all know I have a devious mind and a set of morals considered by some to be eccentric. But I do try to see all sides of something. As such I figure that it is the closest elections (in true numbers) that are the most vulnerable to fraud. However in any venue, if the People would get together and network and say, setup an array of stations across the district. If the loser of an election lost by less than a certain amount (we'll have to figure out where to draw that line), the people who voted for the loser have X days (another line) to come and do a quick affidavit, mostly pre-filled out.

Just some thoughts. Another thought, I would think that proxy ballots would be safe. That's a paper trail. Now what if everybody in the district, or let's even say, a large percentage decided to use proxy ballots ?

But I know human nature (or is that inhuman ?), and they will most likely respond by making it illegal to use a proxy ballot unless you really are too far to make it in time.

Thinking it through, we would have to respond by going outside the district to mail the ballots. We could charter buses, carpool, generally try to be environmentally friendly. I don't mean pollution, but that would be a hell of alot of traffic. And I don't think you want to mail it too early either.

I can't put my finger on it, it is instinct for me to say it would not be good to vote too early. The only explanation I can give is I see it like a racetrack. They set the game and the big money usually wins. If you place the bet correctly you may come out ahead. This is not a good analogy, this situation is that those ballots cannot be counted until they are recieved. But they must be counted.

I don't want to get too metaphysical here, but this struck me. The US government is our patient. It is very sick, infested with numerous forms of "cancer", the most serious of which is greed.

It needs an infusion of fresh blood, not in the fields of Iraq, but on Capitol Hill. The President is not the only person there. There are over 400 positions that could be considered vulnerable. Of those, the ones running the closest margins must be attended to first. If we could invalidate a fraudulent vote statistic just once, the impact would be immense.

They would never be able to keep a lid on it. Sometime after the BBC got hold of the story I bet we would see some change.

Well we have seen change, but it is not good and people are not watching.

If it happened here in this district I would make sure the BBC got it, maybe even first. Let them scoop the local news. Maybe. Happen in my lifetime ? Who knows.

T




ZenrageTheKeeper -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/21/2006 7:39:18 PM)

As much as I'd love to believe the conspiracy theories about the second election, I can't escape two gnawing facts:

1. Kerry had NO platform other than I'm not Bush. Personally, I'm shocked he got as far as he did without a real platform of any kind.

2. Americans are a fearful, insecure lot. Would we really be as aggressive towards any potential political rival if we weren't? Would we have nearly as many god fearing (death fearing) bible thumpers if we weren't? Fact is, when tragedy struck on 9/11, it gave every cowardly American the ammunition to distrust their neighbors and the politicians the chance to abuse that fear for political gain.

Truth is, W became president for the second time because we as Americans had little power over our own insecurities to not completely discount his overuse of 9/11 as a tool for focusing our fears.




Arpig -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/21/2006 7:54:06 PM)

Of course he is...and Dick Cheney doesn't call the shots....ever notice how you never see the two of them speaking at the same time...and damned if Cheney's lips don't move at all when W is speaking...not meaning to imply anything, but hey, draw your own conclusions.....




Real0ne -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/22/2006 10:03:14 AM)


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ORIGINAL: ZenrageTheKeeper

Truth is, W became president for the second time because we as Americans had little power over our own insecurities to not completely discount his overuse of 9/11 as a tool for focusing our fears.



wtc was a false flag operation designed to get us in a war!  elect an oil man and they will try to take over the arab oil!   bush just finished what johnson fucked up! and we the people die like flies.




Arpig -> RE: Is GW Bush Really The President? (12/22/2006 3:42:50 PM)

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wtc was a false flag operation designed to get us in a war!  elect an oil man and they will try to take over the arab oil!   bush just finished what johnson fucked up! and we the people die like flies.

Yeah, yeah, blah-blah-blah...yawn!




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