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mgdartist -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 6:48:47 AM)

Thanks seeksfemslave, but you aren’t usually so reflective, seeming a man who has quite articulate opinions on other subjects, and none I’ve yet found ground for rebuttal to, I’d like to hear your take on this “LOVE” thing. .lol. I had further written this, when I first came here, but as you might expect, didn’t get the rave reviews I’d hoped. Sigh,  story of my life...lol. still, with my previous expressions of doubt, It’s only fair I should at least let the subs know, My suspicions about women and love spoken earlier, may not apply to them.:


Quotes, adages and thoughts on LOVE
I have some quotes, adages, and general thoughts about love... they’ve invariably annoyed a few, especially women, and the ladies reading should know they’re more jokes than anything, but the sort that men often wonder if they’re really true, and women often wonder if we really think they are…lol:


“Love is the only one word, one syllable, four letter, OXY-MORON”


“Making Love: Something my girlfriend does while I fuck her”


and my dads old favorite:

”Love is blind, but marriage is an eye-opener”



We men have truly annoyed so many women, both here and around the world, because often we just can’t understand it, or any game with
no rules
and
no ball.


What few men will admit, is how vastly more intelligent in the areas of speech, conversation, argument, sentiment, romance, and all the subtleties involved in those things women actually are than we are as a rule. But where women are truly superior to the male sex is in their seeming infinite sensitivity, whereas a mans is, all too often, almost imperceptible. We can’t even begin to fathom how sensitive you ladies truly are, and I believe it’s been mistaken for intuition for hundreds, perhaps thousands of years.To make matters worse, few women really understand the males true burden, and even more could care less:

His body’s natural manufacture, requiring some 30% of his daily energy, and excessive need to dispense with an all too icky substance which is in fact the essence of life:


TESTOSTERONE

Cathy Bates
was showing her humor and wisdom when she said once:

“Testosterone, ...they should put it in bombs.”

Most women have great difficulty understanding the male need to have sex often or masturbate,  since it is in fact a bodily function for him, though he may bear little discomfort from abstaining from it. In point of fact, his need for release has little to do with love, but the male will most often be much more “in love” with the woman who’s mission it is to aid and stimulate him in his lifelong quest:
ejaculation...lol.

Sadly, this is all too often at cross purposes with the woman, who wants his love bestowed PRIOR, to her aforementioned favors. For the man, this can be very confoundingly confusing, and he has little comprehension of the woman’s motives for withholding his one true craving, and even less understanding of how she is critical of him if he dares complain. Hundreds of thousands of dysfunctional marriages and relationships are based on this very abiding, and often singular mutual resentment. For me, it is also a big reason i adore all submissives. Beyond all the rituals of submission, and restraint, and control, deep down, every dom knows:

They UNDERSTAND, and once you’ve had the sweet things the submissive just is, you know them to be the purest form of:


TRUE LOVE...

any woman ever could show. At least it feels like it on the receiving end to a dominant.
So to any submissives who may read this, I am one man who at least has the good sense to say:

Thank You all so much, just for being you.



MGD




Level -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 8:12:31 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: Quivver

I think ~love~ is an acceptance, it's gained over time.  It shows itself in action with results that are proven.  From Cheesecake to a Significant Other .... you love cheesecake but eat it anyway knowing full well it's gonna stick somewhere you really wish it wouldnt.  you love that Significant Other but know well that not everything they do is going to be easy, but you stay anyway. 

I think alot of people live in total confusion when they feel lust and think love.... 
Lust is easy, Love on the other hand is one of the hardest things you'll ever do.




Well said, my friend.




james66 -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 8:31:49 AM)

love is natural and real...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hkKj0DhlEyI




NobleOne -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 9:14:23 AM)

I would like to say thanks for all the great replies! I would have to agree with seeks we need more female responses.




BDSM05478 -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 9:40:35 AM)

THis is my diffenition of what love really is.

Love  1If I speak in the tongues[a] of men and of angels, but have not love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but have not love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and surrender my body to the flames,[b] but have not love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

edited to add.... "We love people not inspite of thier shortcoming but because of them, those are truly the factors that make us individials"  an original quote.




SusanofO -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 9:54:30 AM)

BDSM05478: I had that quotation read at my wedding, many years ago.
I have always appreciated its depth and clarity. I agree very much with that definition, too.

Especially the "love never fails" part. I've seen evidence of that, although not in the relationships I'd expected (mostly with family and friends). Thanks for reprinting it. 

I always liked the quote:

"The heart has its reasons, which reason cannot know" - Pascal


- Susan




BDSM05478 -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 10:46:12 AM)

I think the reason so many people fail at love is that after the beginning jolt thins through time, a natural occurence, they take each other for granted, they take what they have for granted. I was just talking to a single friend of mine about how I truly can not connect this the pain and loneliness I use to feel anymore because i have been with this awesom partner for the last few years. So alot of people (IMO) take their comfort for granted, end up in a rut, meet someone new that gives them that ZING behind the zipper and (think) they are running to greener fields, some are; some aren't.




SusanofO -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 10:57:10 AM)

I believe people divorce or break up for all kinds of reasons. Sometimes, it can be (what I think of as) justified. I believe love is out there, and I see people act in loving ways a lot of the time, and have experienced it. I also have seen some jerky people (men and women), and been on the receiving end of that, too.

- Susan




DiurnalVampire -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 11:43:15 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: NobleOne

What does love mean to you? In your own words describe what love is or means?  

Not to be painfully sappy
For me, Love is when you finally find someone you cant imagine not having in your life.  When you think of your future, they play a role in it.  In your everyday events, they are on your mind, whether in a major way or not. Romantically, I think of *we* rather than *I*. Being part of something with my special someone that is unique, and amazing, and I wouldnt trade for the world.

DV




ScienceBoy -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 4:32:39 PM)

A hand through t'others chest, fire, electricity, cuddles, tears, making tea, emptying the bin, listening, being there, safety, danger...

A condition of psychological dependency, not on a drug for once, but on a person?

The best and amongst the most frightening and damaging of illnesses that plague humanity?

Love is.. love, is love. Mutable and permanent.

I'm 22, so to me love is dying inside when the one you love isn't there. Touching like burning. Aching, longing. The ability to lose the world in another person. People you'd kill to protect. All that jazz - luminous, painful, all powerful, energy.

Mysticism and hormones at their worst, in other words [;)]




losttreasure -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 4:57:41 PM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

In a relationship, love is the stuff that starts to grow after all of the shiny newness has worn off and you begin to see with clarity all of the dents and scratches, all of the flaws, and you realize that you still want to be with that person regardless of it all.


Applauds.  [:D]




swtsouthernsub -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 7:06:11 PM)

Love captivates the beloved and beholds with soft bonds of affection thoughts of personal desires and freedom of pludging to the depths of another's heart and spirit /this is what true , self -giving love is all about

True love weathers every storm and out lasts every trouble one should make this kind of love  that shelters you forever and comfort you in old age as we all know the first taste of love can be like a thunderbolt but it's the steady constant compaionship  that makes the first exhaustive moment of passion grow into love that endureth a lifetime
I  will conclude my thoughts on love with theses words Love first breath can be sweet .  True love grows with years until the first part of love is only a shadow of real tie that binds a couple together after a lifetime of love  




nikaa -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 7:08:05 PM)

The concept of love is subjective and debatable.

This is my definition of love.

Love is patient, it is self sacrifice, it is holding others accountable, it is not hurtful, there are no score cards, it is protective, it is always evolving, it must be nurtured or it will die,  it is scary, it is hard work, it is a bond of friendship, it is unconditional.




adaddysgirl -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/24/2006 9:54:51 PM)

Okay, this is what it means to me.
 
i think you can love a lot of people, such as parents, siblings, children, good friends....even exes.  But i think being in love means something different. 
 
i think being in love means not being able to imagine life without that special person.  Your present...your future....includes sharing your life with them, on all levels.  i think that this takes time to develop though.....it takes time to fall in love. 
 
i also think that when the sex is really good, people confuse that for being in love as it's something they would not want to live without....but that's really lust....and that type of feeling 'in love' is the illusion.....because it rarely lasts. 
 
Now i also think that people can feel they've met a partner they would never want to live without but as life goes, people change, and sometimes feelings fade, we start thinking 'there's got to be more than this', we grow in different ways, etc....and then we start looking at the other side of the fence....the 'greener side'.  But at that point, we actually start to imagine a life without our partner...even perhaps as a fantasy at first....and so begins the process of 'falling out of love'. 
 
The sad thing is....is when the one we feel we could never live without suddenly does not feel the same way...or even worse, finds another....it can be very devastating.  What do we do now....without this person we felt we could not imagine life without? 
 
We grieve, we mourn, we get angry at them, we hate them....they shattered our future.  But at some point, we realize they are not coming back....and that is when we accept that we will have to find a way to live without them.  And the longer that takes, the more painful the process is. 
 
But as we move on, we start falling out of love with them too (if we allow ourselves to).  And some of us take the chance again....and some of us become too jaded to allow ourselves to go through that again.  Some (like a former neighbor of mine) commit suicide.  His note said he couldn't imagine life without her...or her with another guy.  Some murder the partner....and then themselves (or just the partner).  Some never get over it like a guy i met who was divorced 5 years and still could not believe she was no longer a part of his life (when she in fact had remarried and had a kid).  And then there are the rest of us who begin the arduous journey of acceptance and healing. 
 
When a former partner and i split up several years ago, he moved to CA.  He said he couldn't get far enough away....he could not stand to see me knowing we would never be together again.  Sometimes it's just too hard to let go of that image of 'forever' and that is why when we are forced into continued contact with the person (like having kids with them...or working with them)....it is harder to make that break....because we keep hoping that maybe....just maybe...they will be our loving partner again.  But as we know, that rarely happens.
 
Well, truly falling in love is a big chance we all take...and although it can end up disastrous....it can also be a very fulfilling part of our lives.  i personally have accepted that my next partner, no matter how much in love with him i am, i could lose him, either through him falling out of love with me...or through death.  But it doesn't stop me from being open to it and accepting it into my life when the time comes.  Afterall, i really will survive in the end, won't i?
 
Well that was a bit wordy!  But anyway....a Merry Christmas to all...and to all a good night!  [:)]
 
Daddysgirl




Termyn8or -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/25/2006 1:44:29 AM)

I think people do not see the forest for the leaves here. When you take the fig leaves off you are not supposed to put them on your mind.

When a Man and a Woman are really in love and the lust explodes it is a great thing. But then there are some who don't accept homosexuality, so if Gays or Lesbians seem to achieve that, is it wrong ? Of course not, but to illustrate the point I can prove the existence of the human soul. Yup.

Really want to know what love is ? Strip away all sensuality, desire and everything. What is left other than Parents, kids, and hopefully one mate who has it for you too.

Love is what kept me alive years ago in 'the dark time'. I almost whacked myself, and I thought about the dead people I knew and what it did to me, well, invoked in me and decided I could not do it. I would have to endure.

So I live because I think there are people who could not handle me dying.

So the best way I can describe it at this time is love is what can help you through the worst times, when you want to whack yourself. The cohesion you have with your friends and family are what stops you, because you think of what it is going to do to THEM, not just YOU.

I think that is a totally stripped down version, but it is nice to see the inside once in awhile. When you really give someone else's well being consideration equal to your own, that might be it. You can't give more than that except in very rare circumstances. In other words "Shit, what's going to happen to her and the kids if I bite the bullet here ?".

The mistake most people make is associating sex, or lust, with love. Love at first sight is a mystical bunch of crap attached to looks and movements. Yes it is body language but it is the animal part. It is not love. Yes love can grow from this animal attraction, but I don't think it works so well in modern times.

Yup, that's pretty much it, when you think of her (or him) first when there is no duress, the hammer is getting close to the nail here. I don't think anyone can describe it fully, but I know this much, it is damn hard to kill.

T




SusanofO -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/25/2006 3:12:26 AM)

Termyn8or - You're not the only one whose ever thought of "whacking" themselves, you know. Yes, that's what I mean by the "love never fails" part. When I think about the "dark times", that can still visit (on occasion) and drag me  into a well of despair, I think of the lyrics of that song by the singer Jewel:
"Only kindness matters".  

Bottom line - she's right, you know.

Other people help can pull eachother out of a dark, black tarpit of feeling that just (seemingly) won't lift. Sometimes, that feeling just takes it's time and waits, like some kind of monster in a closet, and then one day, like the Wicked Witch of the West - lo and behold - it has evaporated. But other people help always seem to help with that, when it happens, somehow. I think that's a form of love - in its most basic form (not romantic or erotic - but just plain loving behavior).

Nobody (I don't think) is an island. People can make the biggest difference with just the tiniest things they do for another - and they sometimes can't even see that, or how much it can matter (myself included). People all around the world just need someone to understand them, basically, I think.

Someone once asked Mother Theresa (one of the contemporary world's greatest lovers, in my opinion) what the world's biggest problem was. Know what she said?

"Loneliness".

Pretty profound statement (to me). And probably right on target.  I am not referring here to romantic kinds of loneliness. I am simply referring to people's need to be heard and seen and treated like they matter and like someone cares about them. 

Is that "love"? Yeah. In like its most important, basic form, I think.

So - it's Christmas. I think personally I am gonna say a little prayer for all those people who just need a hug (whether they think anyone else knows they do, or not). Because they seem to be almost everywhere I look, lately (or maybe I am just getting all choked up because it's Christmas. But I doubt it).


- Susan




Real0ne -> RE: What is Love????????? (12/25/2006 6:21:21 AM)

quote:

ORIGINAL: losttreasure

quote:

ORIGINAL: mistoferin

In a relationship, love is the stuff that starts to grow after all of the shiny newness has worn off and you begin to see with clarity all of the dents and scratches, all of the flaws, and you realize that you still want to be with that person regardless of it all.


Applauds.  [:D]



i have noticed that many people substitute passion for love.




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