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Religion does more harm than good - 12/24/2006 1:27:58 PM   
Chaingang


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"Religion does more harm than good - poll"
http://www.guardian.co.uk/religion/Story/0,,1978045,00.html

More people in Britain think religion causes harm than believe it does good, according to a Guardian/ICM poll published today. It shows that an overwhelming majority see religion as a cause of division and tension - greatly outnumbering the smaller majority who also believe that it can be a force for good.

The poll also reveals that non-believers outnumber believers in Britain by almost two to one. It paints a picture of a sceptical nation with massive doubts about the effect religion has on society: 82% of those questioned say they see religion as a cause of division and tension between people. Only 16% disagree. The findings are at odds with attempts by some religious leaders to define the country as one made up of many faith communities.

Most people have no personal faith, the poll shows, with only 33% of those questioned describing themselves as "a religious person". A clear majority, 63%, say that they are not religious - including more than half of those who describe themselves as Christian.

Older people and women are the most likely to believe in a god, with 37% of women saying they are religious, compared with 29% of men.

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"Judgment day"
http://books.guardian.co.uk/review/story/0,,1878706,00.html

With his usual rational skills he sets about dissecting the arguments for the existence of a God. He takes on all comers: Aquinas's five "proofs", Pascal's wager (meant as a joke, surely), even Stephen Unwin's probability of God, whose use of Bayes' theorem to demonstrate the probability of God Dawkins scathingly dismisses as "quite agreeably funny". He puts in its place the believers' misunderstanding of Darwinism. No, it does not mean that we are all here by chance, but by a scientifically demonstrable process of natural selection. His scorn for believers is evident throughout. He speaks of "a mind hijacked by religion" and finds "sucking up to God" a strange rationale for doing good. He is, not surprisingly, appalled by the jealous rage of the God of the Old Testament (lovingly putting Abraham to the test of killing his only son) and has sharp things to say about the ubiquitous weirdness of the Bible, "a chaotically cobbled together anthology of disjointed documents". When sophisticated believers claim disarmingly that "we don't take Genesis literally any more," he rails "That is my whole point!" It's as much a pick-and-mix philosophy as believers accuse atheists of. What's more, plenty of people still do take the Bible literally. According to Gallup approximately 50% of the US electorate believe the story of Noah.

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The Root of All Evil?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Root_of_All_Evil%3F

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"Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster"
http://www.venganza.org/

Comment: Be touched by His Noodley Appendage. A hilarious parody of religion.

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I no longer consider the belief in religious ideas a charming foible that can be overlooked or easily ignored. In many instances the belief in god leads people to dangerous, aggressive, and bigoted worldviews. The most strikingly obvious example of the madness inherent in religion is how the three Abrahamic or Mosaic faiths - Judaism, Christianity, and Islam - each consider the other two false or otherwise imperfect faiths. Rather than cooperating among themselves for a mutual purpose, the members of these various branches of the same original belief system are often literally at war with one another. The continuing strife in the Middle-East is a result of this religion-induced madness. People are literally goaded and deluded into warring with one another over conflicting god perceptions that have no basis in any kind of objective reality. There is nothing harmless about philosophies that teach people that believers are superior to others and that non-believers are inferior to them - that's the perfect recipe for endless conflict. Religions are also dangerous on a more individual basis as they often attempt to exert control over people by means of strict social controls like sexual guilt and by teaching obeisance to an imaginary being to whom one can only gain access through a set of religious leaders (most of whom simply want your money or to bugger the pick of your sons and daughters). Religions are themselves the source of much of the "evil" in the world.

Enough is enough. Religious views must be discouraged for the sake of humanity at large.

I wish us all peace on earth.

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RE: Religion does more harm than good - 12/24/2006 1:55:47 PM   
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Chaingang,

Today's church in Britain is propped up by the evangelical sections of the black community. White Britons are generally not interested. Paradoxically, we have a relatively liberal church. They have been consistently outspoken against the invasion of Iraq and other human rights abuses. The Anglican Church is accepting of homosexuality and homosexual clergymen.

Unfortunately for the Church, they can be as liberal as they want be but organised religion is over and it is simply on a life support machine. The young white Britons who subscribe to religion have turned to spirituality. I'll give it 50 years and organised religion for white Britons will be dead and buried.

Is religion dangerous? It has been in the past in Britain but not today in the climate of indifference. The US? Bush preaches "we must tame the evil ones" and there must be a market for this otherwise he wouldn't bother - that spells danger to me.

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RE: Religion does more harm than good - 12/24/2006 3:15:38 PM   
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Religion is alive and well in the US. We don't have the bigger issues of division between the sects that alot of other countries have.

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RE: Religion does more harm than good - 12/26/2006 6:57:49 AM   
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It always astonishes me that anyone on earth thinks they know the first thing about a possible God. Religions were historically created to control people but for some reason we still subscribe to them today. Sure there are a few positive ideals written into religious texts but the vast majority of it seems to be about inspiring fear in people who don’t see things in the same way as the authors of these texts.

It’s obvious why Darwin’s theories are not accepted by various religions;if you say ‘God created us in his own image’ how can you also say ‘God created a load of microbes first to develop into us’. The problem with religion is that it was set in stone the day it was created and is now struggling to compete with the discoveries driven by science. This is why we now have this subject ‘Creationism’ where people try to explain the divides between scientific discoveries and the original religious ideas. It’s easy to call it all a metaphor right?

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RE: Religion does more harm than good - 12/26/2006 7:20:24 AM   
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Sadly most people confuse religion with spirituality.  People religiously do things, sometimes for the sake of their spirituality and sometimes for other personal reasons.  Organized religions do divide people because their staunch beliefs.  People with a sense of spirituality know that their relationship with GOD is solely between them and GOD and has nothing to do with anyone else's idea of what that relationship is or should be.  I don't subscribe to any particular DENOMINATION other than identifying with being a CHRISTIAN, but I do believe in GOD as a SUPREME entity in my life that has my back for everything.  My relationship with GOD is right on track for my life.  Otherwise I believe I would be wandering around in the abyss of complete chaos and confusion

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RE: Religion does more harm than good - 12/26/2006 7:24:28 AM   
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i had the worst of both worlds when it came to religion while growing up. my father came from a long line of reverends and founders of baptist churches in PA and my mother deeply rooted in the catholic faith.

by the time i was 13 (and like most of us in the baptist church where i attended), the sex talk (not told by my parents) was told to me by the youth pastor and pastor. everything relating and pretaining to sex was a sin ...including alternative lifestyles. even dancing and listening to secular music (rock, hip hop, rap etc) was a sin. if we wanted to go to Heaven - read and obey the Bible, pray daily and follow the christian path was the way to go ...and of course NO SEX before marriage.

however that soon changed when the pastor's oldest daughters were became pregnant before they got married. for a while he thought he could impose the double standard rule ("it implies to you but not my family") but changed his mind after forcing them to confess their sins in front of the church. needless to say when i became pregnant before marrying my ex - i stopped going there completely. it's even worse if they knew you are divorced.

i'm still a christian even though many black baptist churches would probably not want me as a member because of my independent thinking and alternative lifestyle. so i'm just a regular attendee visiting a few churches when i can.

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