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Darthbetta -> Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 8:42:08 AM)

In many peoples' profiles, there is a " DO NOT CONTACT ME...IF" clause.
I have a similar one in my Subs profile in which she simply says "if you would like to chat or communicate with me, please email my master first asking his permission".

It is a thing of respect. If someone has a profile, and you read it (there is 1/2 the battle) and then they decide to initiate communication other than simply a quick compliment, or comment about the profile, a forum post, or other one time communication of a non-intrusive nature then it is perfectly fine to do such.

HOWEVER......

The usual route is she gets emails after emails after email from the same "guys" who she had asked to email her master for permission to chat or communicate further.
My e-mail box has been fairly empty sans a few respectfull Doms/ and the few random nice subs who simply followed instructions ad dropped me a "hello, how are you, may I chat freely with your woman ?".

Recently she got the single rudest email I had ever been privy to, and it makes me wonder what people are thinking!!!!!

"Hi, I read your profile and I know you have a master, can you tell him we are chatting, and save me the email sending to him step?

I would like see how you and I will work out in a D/s relationship."


[:@] HUH !!!!! ????
Whiskey Tango Foxtrot..... over...

wow... just wow.

THAT is fucking rude !..... and some people have the audascity to complain about "rude submissives".....
Somnovi came to me in the kitchen when I was making soup..... she said she has a "special" email. I came in read it, and was dumbfounded.

wow..... just wow.

SO she got the green light to line up both barrels and pull the trigger till the aut-loader 12 guage went "CLICK!" and was emptied on this moron.

MORAL OF THE STORY....... : don't be a retard. Show some respect to people already in a relationship.




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 8:48:19 AM)

I agree that if you specifically state that you are in a relationship and have a rule that you need to contact someone else before they can engage in conversation with you, it just makes sense to contact that person.

As well, if they state in their profile that they are owned, it doesn't make much sense to email asking to consider them as their owner.

However, this is a personals ads site. People come here to look and find and if we all shared how many emails we got from people who obviously had sent form letters, obviously hadn't read a word we'd written, then we'd never discuss anything else.

Not to mention, I'm owned but encouraged to be in other relationships, so it's not necessarily rude to be contacted by someone looking to get to know you better.

No use getting upset over some expectations you put on other people- you will always be disappointed. We all sigh, roll our eyes and move on. Putting a lot of energy into it won't change anything- specially not this poor guy who's probably new, clueless, and just doing the normal dorky thing.

As well, one's reaction to "rude people" shows more about your temperament than theirs. Other people forgetting their manners is NEVER a reason to forget your own.




Tempestspet -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 8:58:54 AM)

emerlad... that was just beautifully said.

Darth,
I'm sorry you've had trouble, but unfortuantely I agree with emerald. You do need to realize what kind of site you are on. Perhaps if this is such a hot bottun for you, you may wish to tell your girl to block them.
From my own personal experience, I must seek permission to speak with other Doms, Dommes.... because there is simply, outside of these message boards, not a good reason why I should be talking with other Doms, especially since there are so many out there who do exactly that which has you so lit. What do I need, or want from another Dom? I have one. If I have a questions or anything for that matter... I have a Master I may go ask, or speak to.
I'm free to talk with other subs, and slaves... for what should be obvious reasons.
Perhaps in thinking about why you allow your girl to talk with other Doms, why open the door for trouble?

Just a thought.

Tempest's pet




EmeraldSlave2 -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 9:36:10 AM)


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ORIGINAL: Tempestspet

emerlad... that was just beautifully said.

Thank you very much, it's appreciated.

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What do I need, or want from another Dom? I have one. If I have a questions or anything for that matter... I have a Master I may go ask, or speak to.
I'm free to talk with other subs, and slaves... for what should be obvious reasons.

Well for me, in our crowd, there's just too many switches, and there's no obvious way to tell who is dom or sub or whatever at a social function, that if I had that rule, I'd just have to sit silently the whole time to be safe. As well, I don't see "dom" as noting anything special about a person other than their orientation and it would be akin to not talking to other men just because you're married to a man. I have lots of great discussions with other doms and get lots of interesting perspectives from them.

I'm not suggesting your rules are bad ones, just not practical in my life and I gain a lot from other doms.

I think your suggestion about blocking is a reasonable one as well.




mistoferin -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 9:37:54 AM)

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Perhaps in thinking about why you allow your girl to talk with other Doms, why open the door for trouble?


Please do not see this as a personal insult for it is not meant to be. I did notice that nowhere on your profile does it state that you need permission to speak to other Dominants, which would certainly cut down on attempts by them to contact you. Actually, what I did notice was that it said that perhaps you and your Master might make some new friends.

While I completely respect the agreement that you and your Master have, that is not necessarily what is right for everyone. I have no such agreement with my Sir as He has quite graciously allowed me to make my own decisions regarding who I have contact with. He trusts that I will make good choices, just as I trust that He will. To be quite honest, if He wished me to seek permission for every contact I would see it as an insecurity on His part.

If I disallowed all Dominants contact, there would be many who are now good friends of Sir and I that we would not have had the opportunity to know. I am perfectly capable of sending out polite "No Thank You's" and if they persist beyond that point I can choose to simply block them or pass them along to Sir to deal with. I, and thankfully Sir, feel that to simply shut the door you refer to altogether means that you are also shutting the door on the opportunity to make a new friend, hear a new opinion, learn a new technique.....the list goes on and on.

So while I do respect how you and your Master choose to deal with issues of communications, it is not how everyone chooses. Each couple has to decide for themselves what feels right.




Mercnbeth -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 9:48:05 AM)

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THAT is fucking rude !.....


Darth,
"Rude" is an active adjective and it requires activity on both parties. We have never thought any email we've received rude. Ignorant, naive, mundane, immature, sure; but never rude. We would have to care and let the message have a negative impact on us. So far, we haven't received email approaching the threshold of generating negative energy, or making us care. We handle it similar to when we see ignorant, immature, mundane, or naive threads. Every morning we have to sift through them like the cats litter box, granted lately it seems like the cats have a stomach disorder, but it just means that the clumps are bigger and ultimately easier to dispose.

The only difference in email is that we still maintain 100% response. beth and I are different in the respect that we came to this site as a couple, our profile is for a couple, and we are only active at this site and in the life as a couple. Yet regularly we receive inquires for independent meetings, especially beth (GO FIGURE!!). Of course the predominant request comes from single submissive males wanting, even begging, for beth to dom them. I guess beth is the tall, naturally red head, prototype fantasy Domme for these guys. I can appreciate that, and most often we reply with a "thank you for your nice words, appreciate the thought and opportunity, but beth (we) are not interested."

Of course, as I'm sure you've experienced, this doesn't stop everyone. In those cases we take a different tact. 'Evil Merc' begins to answer their inquires. One self described 'slave' craving CBT begged beth to give him instructions for self play - so "beth" ordered him to slam his balls in a car door. That was the last correspondence - and we've checked the news and no 'balls slammed in car door' stories are circulating in any of the strange news blogs.

We also have the luxury, that even though we are not in the 'industry' we are very open about who we are and have no fear of being who we are in public when socially appropriate and/or opportunity permits. When we want to meet people, we get off the email/phone route ASAP. It works best to sift fakes and posers. When a 'couple' emailed us for weeks about their desire to serve us - we invited them to Redondo. Again, it was the last we heard from 'them', or most likely 'him'.

As far as requests for chat goes, again beth is usually requested. I commonly grant it, and have no requirement that she save the conversation for my later review. Why? Many reasons. The main reason is that I believe beth is very good at helping people new to the lifestyle understand what it's like to live with BDSM, or D/s part of a relationship. she provides incite to her life, and gives honest feelings both good and bad, about living as a slave in a 24/7 relationship. As her Master, I feel this strengthens and enhances her beliefs especially when they are challenged. It doesn't matter if she's chatting with a Dom or submissive, male or female. I've found beth's development as a slave enhanced by these contacts, and have no concerns that anyone she chats with will effect our relationship. It the chatter has ulterior motives the chats don't last long. beth does not do any type of 'cyber' scene.

Just like everything else Darth, if you let people bother you, or worse let them know they bother you, they'll persist. In their mind they've succeeded. In our mind, they are 'kitty litter' or amusement; but "rude"? Not possible.




Tempestspet -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 10:44:32 AM)

I took absolutely no insult to what you said at all. I'd hate to think I'm that quick tempered.....smiles..

I do have Dom, and switch friends. So to have answered in haste.... I apologize for the misunderstanding.... I often get one sided, when it's not really so one sdied as I make it sound.

When I stated what I did about his maybe thinking about his letting his girl talk with other doms,.... I was suggesting that to him, only because he seems to have insecurities, maybe...maybe some jealousy there... so why put yourself in that situation?
That's all I meant.

I know that not everyone has the same rules.... I think I made mine sound more severe than they really are... I apologize for not having given a clearer picture of them.
I have dom, and switch friends. Some I have met online, most in person. But, and just in my opinion, .... it states in my profile that I am owned. That to me, says that one should have respect for that relationship, and not get all trolly. Those that haev had that respect, I tell my Master about them, and then see what he says. That's just the respect I give him, not that he demands necessarily, but that I believe that he's due.

We are always happy to make new friends. Do not confuse though, that we are happy to make new friends, with, looking for play partners.
If we were looking for play partners it would state that....exaclty that.
I will go back and read my profile.... for it should not. If it gives that impression, I thank you for the heads up,if that's what you got from it, and it will be quickly remedied.

I have always handled nasty, and or annoying emails myself, Master has faith, and trust in me that I can handle it. I'm owned by one, and submissive to only one. There isn't anything anyone can do to me on here, that I don't let happen. If I had to go to him over an e-mail..... he'd wonder why I'm on here in the first place.

I'm hoping that...now that I've woken up a bit... I've made a little more sense.

These are the first message boards I've ever felt comfortable chiming in..... so thank you all for putting up with my ramblings.... smiles

Tempest's pet




mistoferin -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 10:53:48 AM)

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We are always happy to make new friends. Do not confuse though, that we are happy to make new friends, with, looking for play partners.
If we were looking for play partners it would state that....exaclty that.
I will go back and read my profile.... for it should not. If it gives that impression, I thank you for the heads up,if that's what you got from it, and it will be quickly remedied.


No I did not derive anything about looking for play partners out of your profile. It states quite clearly.....friends. I take that to mean exactly that. Seems just fine to me.




NATI -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 11:55:01 AM)

That letter is exceedingly presumptuous and I wouldn't be surprised if he shows up somewhere else complaining about all of the submissives who fail to answer his well thought out and erudite communiques. But that's the internet for you. The anonimity of the internet gives people license to make asses of themselves.




Guest -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 12:59:55 PM)

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The anonimity of the internet gives people license to make asses of themselves.


Indeed. Hence the inherent value in Ignore and block features on every site, newsreader and email software I am familiar with :)

IMO, people who feel compelled to reply to an anonymous obnoxiously rude post or email are really just serving some need in themselves to respond. It has nothing to do with the troll they would be replying to because I guarantee there are many more who do not respod to that same stimuli.

Ignoring/blocking is bliss indeed.... and practice makes perfect :)

Mod5

**discplamier: again my opinion not necessarily those of CM.com**




NATI -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 1:15:17 PM)

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Ignoring/blocking is bliss indeed.... and practice makes perfect :)


Indeed it is - and I have been using this feature A LOT lately

...and a very astute opinion at that [;)]




Darthbetta -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 2:52:35 PM)

We also have the luxury, that even though we are not in the 'industry' we are very open about who we are and have no fear of being who we are in public when socially appropriate and/or opportunity permits. When we want to meet people, we get off the email/phone route ASAP. It works best to sift fakes and posers. When a 'couple' emailed us for weeks about their desire to serve us - we invited them to Redondo. Again, it was the last we heard from 'them', or most likely 'him'.

I agree to that point, and we are both 100% open with each other. The point is, I asked that people contact me FIRST if they wish to chat with her. Not that I am going to say YAY or NAY at all times, but it is just simply nice that someone takes the time to read her profile, and then to follow the steps as asked of them.

It is not the fact that the person just simply fired off the email to Somnovi, but it was the fact that he admitted to reading the profile, acknowledged she had myself as her Master, and still (with blinders on) went head strong and ignored "OUR ESTABLISHED DYNAMIC" in the attempts to somehow pigeon hole her into submitting with this said jokester and ignore me. He made it clear he wanted a "RELATIONSHIP" with Somnovi.... not simply just to chat or make friends.


AS QUOTED FROM SAID PERSONS PROFILE: Eventhough we can't predict the future, this live-in position would be for a (hopefully) permanent relationship.

UMMMMM HELOOOOOOO !!!!!! she is not up for auction or offers here !

I have made hundreds of aquaintances, and know lots of people in the D/s way of life, and this was just the one email that took me over the edge.... usualy I tend to just laugh and ignore them, but this was wayyyyyyyy blatent and rude as hell, not nieve, not anything other than plain out and out rude.

rude adj. rud·er, rud·est

Relatively undeveloped; primitive: a rude and savage land; a rude agricultural implement.

Being in a crude, rough, unfinished condition: a rude thatched hut.
Exhibiting a marked lack of skill or precision in work: rude crafts.
In a natural, raw state: bales of rude cotton.

Lacking the graces and refinement of civilized life; uncouth.
Lacking education or knowledge; unlearned.
Ill-mannered; discourteous: rude behavior.
Vigorous, robust, and sturdy.
Abruptly and unpleasantly forceful: received a rude shock.



Yes I know "what kind of site this is", and I found that to be a tad offensive as a reply, but that does not mean that people are all up on the offering table. Some of us are just here for the "COMMUNITY" and the friends we meet along the way in out relationships.
This is why we have a single profile for her, myself, and us both as a "couple". Many people automaticly delete emails fron just a a Male Dom, but will read them from a female sub, or a couple. I find that to be crappy on behalf of people "not looking" also, but that is a thread best saved for another occasion.

D.-





MidnightWriter -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 5:35:28 PM)

I must admit - my first reaction was "No, Darth - that's not rude, that's simply totally clueless". However, when you pointed out:


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ORIGINAL: Darthbetta
rude adj. rud·er, rud·est

Lacking the graces and refinement of civilized life; uncouth.
Lacking education or knowledge; unlearned.
Ill-mannered; discourteous: rude behavior.


I realized that you were entirely accurate - this nit wasn't merely clueless, he was uncouth and unlearned as well.

I remember the Goode Olde Days, before Win95, AOL, or the World Wide Wait - when you needed some knowledge of and skill in using text-based unix tools to get access to the internet at all. By contrast, now any idiot with money can buy a take-it-home-plug-it-in-and-go-surf system at Best Buy, and it'll lead them thru the steps of installing the AOL (or Earthlink, or whatever) CD that came with it, and they can be online within an hour with very little prior skill.

The clued/clueless ratio was better then.

However, wailing about the lost past does nobody any good - we're not going to get back to that. Nor are we going to be able to educate those who resist the clues that they run across. We must deal with the hand we've been dealt - which means that we can't avoid the clueless and rude.

So, why give so much of your energy to them? A simple click of the delete button was probably more than he was worth - why expend so much more energy on him? Believe me, I understand the urge to rail against such stupidity - but it's really a fruitless effort. The clueless will be with us always - why give them more attention than we must?

Not long ago, on another site, a sub with "no one-liner emails" stressed in hir profile dropped me a note, which said, in full: "I saw yur website. How R U?"

Personally, I love irony - I chuckled for the rest of the morning over that.

I've got an old tagline that I urge you to adopt:

I used to be disgusted; now I'm just amused.

(It really does make life more pleasant. Trust me! [:D])




TravisTJustice -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 5:56:51 PM)


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ORIGINAL: Darthbetta

Somnovi came to me in the kitchen when I was making soup.....


Just wondering whether your reaction might have been different if you'd been cooking something else in the kitchen? *heh*

Travis T.




MzBerlin -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 7:03:30 PM)

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ORIGINAL: Darthbetta

In many peoples' profiles, there is a " DO NOT CONTACT ME...IF" clause.
I have a similar one in my Subs profile in which she simply says "if you would like to chat or communicate with me, please email my master first asking his permission".

It is a thing of respect. If someone has a profile, and you read it (there is 1/2 the battle) and then they decide to initiate communication other than simply a quick compliment, or comment about the profile, a forum post, or other one time communication of a non-intrusive nature then it is perfectly fine to do such.



Hey Y'all-
I get a lot of notes from men and women who have not taken the time to read my profile. It seems to be a huge problem for others, also. I have given up on responding. I am constantly getting long, detailed letters from people who are simply wasting their time. If they had simply expended 1/10th of their energy and simply READ my profile, they wouldn't have had to take all that time and write me an opus of love.
Now, I also get notes from men who HAVE read my profile and choose to ignore whats in it. This drives me even battier. It's not just laziness, it's blatantly ignoring what I've put at the beginning of my profile.
I don't really have an advice or anything constructive to say. I just wanted to vent.
Thankyou
As Always
Berlin




willing2serve -> RE: Bypassing D/s protocol by others (2/22/2005 9:34:21 PM)

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No use getting upset over some expectations you put on other people- you will always be disappointed.


Very nicely said, Emerald...and very true....

Respectfully,
Willing2serve1




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